| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix 13:00 - Feb 24 with 4657 views | Chris_ITFC |
For all the doom and gloom, I’m optimistically looking forward to next season with Kieran in charge of an exciting young team, whichever division we end up in.
Football is unpredictable, this can all change with a few bad results, but it’s a fact that there are a limited number of clubs ‘bigger’ than us now.
At times, the risk of losing McKenna to one has been very high (e.g. last summer), but *currently*, I see the risk of that being repeated this summer to be quite diminished - purely because of the state of play at that limited number of other clubs:
HIGH RISK:
None
MEDIUM RISK:
Managers with the potential to be poached:
Bournemouth
LOW-MEDIUM RISK:
McKenna makes their shortlist, but existing managers likely to be given more time:
Chelsea, Man United, Tottenham, Brighton, Palace, West Ham
LOW RISK:
Current managers in strong position / less likely to be sacked or poached / less likely to come for McKenna:
Forest, Newcastle, Villa, Fulham, Brentford, Everton
Unknowns, but unlikely:
Wolves, Promoted sides
NO RISK:
Obvious no:
Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:09 - Feb 24 with 3154 views | Bellevue_Blue |
I actually think the far far bigger risk is that he resigns and waits it out for the next best opportunity.
Playing devils advocate, why risk a season in the Champ? He's proven he's above that level and might look at Rob Edwards for example who was being touted for the ITFC job should KM have gone, now out of a job and would probably only be considered for mid table champ jobs.
I think he loves management too much (as well as the obvious financial security he has) to do that though ... [Post edited 24 Feb 13:10]
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:09 - Feb 24 by Bellevue_Blue |
I actually think the far far bigger risk is that he resigns and waits it out for the next best opportunity.
Playing devils advocate, why risk a season in the Champ? He's proven he's above that level and might look at Rob Edwards for example who was being touted for the ITFC job should KM have gone, now out of a job and would probably only be considered for mid table champ jobs.
I think he loves management too much (as well as the obvious financial security he has) to do that though ... [Post edited 24 Feb 13:10]
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I don't see this as remotely likely. He's on a contract that still has a fair bit to run, and to resign at the end of the season he'd have to tear that up. It would be a very odd move for someone clearly on the up, when there is zero rumour of any bad blood or infighting at the club which may make him want to get out.
I don't see any similar precedent.
I think that Spurs and Man Utd are higher risk than the OP suggests, and would put them in the medium category at least. Given the then-current league positions in which Spurs sacked some of their more recent managers (Conte comes to mind), I doubt they will be ecstatic with their current position. A couple of decent results more recently against the likes of Ipswich won't have shifted the dial a great deal, and Big Ange never seems like he got out of the right side of bed. Hopefully they will have a good end to the season and not feel able to pull the trigger.
Man Utd is anyone's guess, but it's a shower in terms of league position, and the boss seems actively unhappy all of the time. Whether they would accept their current status as someone seriously fishing in the McKenna pool I don't know. Hopefully we can spin it that he's the best that the Championship had to offer, much like a number of our players who have not pulled up trees (!)
Keeping Kieran is more important than keeping anyone else, by a long shot. Especially given that we all know that Delap will have too many rich suitors to stick around. |  | | |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:18 - Feb 24 with 3057 views | Chris_ITFC |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:09 - Feb 24 by Bellevue_Blue |
I actually think the far far bigger risk is that he resigns and waits it out for the next best opportunity.
Playing devils advocate, why risk a season in the Champ? He's proven he's above that level and might look at Rob Edwards for example who was being touted for the ITFC job should KM have gone, now out of a job and would probably only be considered for mid table champ jobs.
I think he loves management too much (as well as the obvious financial security he has) to do that though ... [Post edited 24 Feb 13:10]
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I can see your point, but I’m not sure that would be a great look, unless he sees the blame for this season resting at the Club’s door more than his (i.e. recruitment), but again not sure I’d agree.
He’d be a far more attractive proposition if he repeated his past success at that level and took a talented squad back to the top of the table.
Sure, he might not, but people at that level of football tend to back themselves and have confidence in their ability. | | | |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:09 - Feb 24 by Bellevue_Blue |
I actually think the far far bigger risk is that he resigns and waits it out for the next best opportunity.
Playing devils advocate, why risk a season in the Champ? He's proven he's above that level and might look at Rob Edwards for example who was being touted for the ITFC job should KM have gone, now out of a job and would probably only be considered for mid table champ jobs.
I think he loves management too much (as well as the obvious financial security he has) to do that though ... [Post edited 24 Feb 13:10]
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Resigns from his £5m per year job? |  |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:20 - Feb 24 with 3030 views | Chris_ITFC |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:17 - Feb 24 by HighgateBlue |
I don't see this as remotely likely. He's on a contract that still has a fair bit to run, and to resign at the end of the season he'd have to tear that up. It would be a very odd move for someone clearly on the up, when there is zero rumour of any bad blood or infighting at the club which may make him want to get out.
I don't see any similar precedent.
I think that Spurs and Man Utd are higher risk than the OP suggests, and would put them in the medium category at least. Given the then-current league positions in which Spurs sacked some of their more recent managers (Conte comes to mind), I doubt they will be ecstatic with their current position. A couple of decent results more recently against the likes of Ipswich won't have shifted the dial a great deal, and Big Ange never seems like he got out of the right side of bed. Hopefully they will have a good end to the season and not feel able to pull the trigger.
Man Utd is anyone's guess, but it's a shower in terms of league position, and the boss seems actively unhappy all of the time. Whether they would accept their current status as someone seriously fishing in the McKenna pool I don't know. Hopefully we can spin it that he's the best that the Championship had to offer, much like a number of our players who have not pulled up trees (!)
Keeping Kieran is more important than keeping anyone else, by a long shot. Especially given that we all know that Delap will have too many rich suitors to stick around. |
The contract is a very good point! £££
And yeah I accept it is more subtle than I suggest. My hope / expectation is that Spurs and United would be unlikely sack either if they can show some signs of green shoots (injury and tactical situations improving respectively)… or at least if they did sack them, which is certainly possible, their risk appetite would be too low for McKenna to go replacing either in the current situation. | | | |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:21 - Feb 24 with 3025 views | algy |
With that new contract he wangled out of Ashton and the owners in the summer, and the adoration he gets from many fans and media here, it will take a lot to make him want to leave. | |
| I was there when McKenna's ITFC won in the Premier League at Home. Fewest home wins and equal most home defeats in a season in ITFC history. |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:22 - Feb 24 with 3012 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:17 - Feb 24 by HighgateBlue |
I don't see this as remotely likely. He's on a contract that still has a fair bit to run, and to resign at the end of the season he'd have to tear that up. It would be a very odd move for someone clearly on the up, when there is zero rumour of any bad blood or infighting at the club which may make him want to get out.
I don't see any similar precedent.
I think that Spurs and Man Utd are higher risk than the OP suggests, and would put them in the medium category at least. Given the then-current league positions in which Spurs sacked some of their more recent managers (Conte comes to mind), I doubt they will be ecstatic with their current position. A couple of decent results more recently against the likes of Ipswich won't have shifted the dial a great deal, and Big Ange never seems like he got out of the right side of bed. Hopefully they will have a good end to the season and not feel able to pull the trigger.
Man Utd is anyone's guess, but it's a shower in terms of league position, and the boss seems actively unhappy all of the time. Whether they would accept their current status as someone seriously fishing in the McKenna pool I don't know. Hopefully we can spin it that he's the best that the Championship had to offer, much like a number of our players who have not pulled up trees (!)
Keeping Kieran is more important than keeping anyone else, by a long shot. Especially given that we all know that Delap will have too many rich suitors to stick around. |
Re precedent, the KM situation is pretty unique.
He has publicly turned down two PL jobs already and was obviously on the shortlist for United & Chelsea.
There have been very very few managers as sought after as him that have ever been relegated.
He'd be interviewed for almost every PL job if it was to come up next year. [Post edited 24 Feb 13:22]
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:22 - Feb 24 with 2994 views | NthQldITFC |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:09 - Feb 24 by Bellevue_Blue |
I actually think the far far bigger risk is that he resigns and waits it out for the next best opportunity.
Playing devils advocate, why risk a season in the Champ? He's proven he's above that level and might look at Rob Edwards for example who was being touted for the ITFC job should KM have gone, now out of a job and would probably only be considered for mid table champ jobs.
I think he loves management too much (as well as the obvious financial security he has) to do that though ... [Post edited 24 Feb 13:10]
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I think that's ludicrous, frankly. |  |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:17 - Feb 24 by HighgateBlue |
I don't see this as remotely likely. He's on a contract that still has a fair bit to run, and to resign at the end of the season he'd have to tear that up. It would be a very odd move for someone clearly on the up, when there is zero rumour of any bad blood or infighting at the club which may make him want to get out.
I don't see any similar precedent.
I think that Spurs and Man Utd are higher risk than the OP suggests, and would put them in the medium category at least. Given the then-current league positions in which Spurs sacked some of their more recent managers (Conte comes to mind), I doubt they will be ecstatic with their current position. A couple of decent results more recently against the likes of Ipswich won't have shifted the dial a great deal, and Big Ange never seems like he got out of the right side of bed. Hopefully they will have a good end to the season and not feel able to pull the trigger.
Man Utd is anyone's guess, but it's a shower in terms of league position, and the boss seems actively unhappy all of the time. Whether they would accept their current status as someone seriously fishing in the McKenna pool I don't know. Hopefully we can spin it that he's the best that the Championship had to offer, much like a number of our players who have not pulled up trees (!)
Keeping Kieran is more important than keeping anyone else, by a long shot. Especially given that we all know that Delap will have too many rich suitors to stick around. |
I think the OP is pretty much bang on. I see what you mean about Spurs and Man U, but even if they're more likely to sack their current incumbents, they're less likely to come for KMc if he finishes 17th or lower this season, which perversely I think is good for us in the long run!
edit: As CHIAP mentions below I would agree Brentford would be in the Medium risk category too. [Post edited 24 Feb 13:34]
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:27 - Feb 24 with 2917 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Have had similar conversations running through the league table!
Think as it stands the only real threats are Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton and Spurs
First two I think are highest (I would put Brentford in the same Medium Risk bucket as Bournemouth personally), both have managers that could well be targets for bigger clubs and the sort of forward thinking clubs that would likely be willing to (rightly) look past us getting relegated if they think McKenna offers what they’re looking for (and FWIW I think the interest would be mutual). I expect he would be very high on both clubs shortlist but both have proven willing to look across Europe so also quite possible they end up looking elsewhere
Spurs will almost certainly need a new manager and have some interest, but my gut feel is they will probably look for a bigger name. Fan sentiment probably shouldn’t matter but will be a factor. Probably more of a worry if we end up surviving, which would obviously be a nice problem to have. Bigger fear would be them going for Iraola or Frank and brining the above into play
Brighton feels more of a wildcard as unlikely to have a vacancy, in fact they are still firmly in the CL race! That said, they have been patchy for some time and obviously the 7-0 v Forest was an absolutely shocker; not impossible that a bad run from here could see a change. And if that was to happen, you’d think McKenna would be an obvious target given their previous interest
Everyone else you’d think are likely to still have their incumbents in place (cue Pep suddenly leaving Man City and sparking a huge merry go round 🤣) |  |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:34 - Feb 24 with 2855 views | Chris_ITFC |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:27 - Feb 24 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Have had similar conversations running through the league table!
Think as it stands the only real threats are Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton and Spurs
First two I think are highest (I would put Brentford in the same Medium Risk bucket as Bournemouth personally), both have managers that could well be targets for bigger clubs and the sort of forward thinking clubs that would likely be willing to (rightly) look past us getting relegated if they think McKenna offers what they’re looking for (and FWIW I think the interest would be mutual). I expect he would be very high on both clubs shortlist but both have proven willing to look across Europe so also quite possible they end up looking elsewhere
Spurs will almost certainly need a new manager and have some interest, but my gut feel is they will probably look for a bigger name. Fan sentiment probably shouldn’t matter but will be a factor. Probably more of a worry if we end up surviving, which would obviously be a nice problem to have. Bigger fear would be them going for Iraola or Frank and brining the above into play
Brighton feels more of a wildcard as unlikely to have a vacancy, in fact they are still firmly in the CL race! That said, they have been patchy for some time and obviously the 7-0 v Forest was an absolutely shocker; not impossible that a bad run from here could see a change. And if that was to happen, you’d think McKenna would be an obvious target given their previous interest
Everyone else you’d think are likely to still have their incumbents in place (cue Pep suddenly leaving Man City and sparking a huge merry go round 🤣) |
Yes, probably more musical chairs rather than merry-go-round, which you explain well! The domino effect can very quickly shake everything up with one crazy owner being a little trigger happy.
Brighton is obviously a worry, given their past interest, but I see them being sensible enough to back Huerzler (sp?) longer, particularly given his potential to develop.
Brentford, I can convince myself there isn’t a job out there that would tempt Frank this summer, as I see him staying in the PL and I think Ange will be okay for now with a fit squad.
Iraola is obviously out of there in the summer, so Bournemouth do worry me. I’m almost hoping they are eyeing up the next Iraola from abroad, which lengthens their likely shortlist, and actually, they probably can aim higher now if they can demonstrate they’re a platform to a European super club for a manager. That being said, anyone know what their data recruitment setup for players is like?! From the outside, seems pretty good and pretty tempting for Kieran.. | | | |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:37 - Feb 24 with 2833 views | Chris_ITFC |
Main point of the OP:
NEXT SEASON WILL BE EXCITING, I promise. 
For sort of similar reasons (falling stock, lack of suitors), I don’t see too many player outgoings. Realistically, Delap and O’Shea aside, has anyone really impressed enough for a bigger club to go offering us profit or serious money? I’m sure we rate the likes of Davis and Omari far higher than anyone externally does, and many of the others have failed to live up to their price tags. Obviously the loans will go, but…
McKenna will be a much better manager than he was last season too, having learned a lot this year I’m sure. | | | |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 14:34 - Feb 24 with 2698 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:18 - Feb 24 by Chris_ITFC |
I can see your point, but I’m not sure that would be a great look, unless he sees the blame for this season resting at the Club’s door more than his (i.e. recruitment), but again not sure I’d agree.
He’d be a far more attractive proposition if he repeated his past success at that level and took a talented squad back to the top of the table.
Sure, he might not, but people at that level of football tend to back themselves and have confidence in their ability. |
It wouldn't be a great look but we all know in Football, great reputations tend to be fleeting and most managers have to move upwards whilst theirs are intact.
If we did go down, I think most top PL officials would appreciate this season for what it's been, a really competitive season with a squad that was probably always fighting an uphill battle and his reputation will have therefore remained very much intact. However, a disappointing season in the Champ would probably take him out of consideration for most of top 15 PL clubs.
Wether we are up or down, I hope he stays because he's by some distance the most important person at the club. I'm just saying I'm not sure it's a simple as saying if he doesn't get a job he will stay. He's in demand and he's got a reputation he will be desperate to maintain to ensure he can step up when the opportunity comes. | | | |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 15:29 - Feb 24 with 2532 views | BlueBadger |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:21 - Feb 24 by algy |
With that new contract he wangled out of Ashton and the owners in the summer, and the adoration he gets from many fans and media here, it will take a lot to make him want to leave. |
Also, I genuinely think he's savvy enough to want to REALLY make his name here, a bit like Moyes with Everton before he moves on. Plus, I imagine he's wary about WHERE he goes in order to ultimately fulfill what's likely his ultimate ambition to manage Man Utd.
He'll have seen what's happened to people like Moyes and Potter with good CVs but possibly not ready for 'goldfish bowl' jobs. |  |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:00 - Feb 24 with 2435 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 15:29 - Feb 24 by BlueBadger |
Also, I genuinely think he's savvy enough to want to REALLY make his name here, a bit like Moyes with Everton before he moves on. Plus, I imagine he's wary about WHERE he goes in order to ultimately fulfill what's likely his ultimate ambition to manage Man Utd.
He'll have seen what's happened to people like Moyes and Potter with good CVs but possibly not ready for 'goldfish bowl' jobs. |
I get he ended up staying badge
But when he's already accepted two jobs before changing his mind last minute , What makes It seem like he really wants to make his name here. |  |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:09 - Feb 24 by Bellevue_Blue |
I actually think the far far bigger risk is that he resigns and waits it out for the next best opportunity.
Playing devils advocate, why risk a season in the Champ? He's proven he's above that level and might look at Rob Edwards for example who was being touted for the ITFC job should KM have gone, now out of a job and would probably only be considered for mid table champ jobs.
I think he loves management too much (as well as the obvious financial security he has) to do that though ... [Post edited 24 Feb 13:10]
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:09 - Feb 24 with 2400 views | BlueBadger |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:00 - Feb 24 by FrimleyBlue |
I get he ended up staying badge
But when he's already accepted two jobs before changing his mind last minute , What makes It seem like he really wants to make his name here. |
I know you've always thought of him as a bit smarmy but where on EARTH have you dug up that 'accepted two jobs' nonsense from? [Post edited 24 Feb 16:09]
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:15 - Feb 24 with 2372 views | MK1 |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:09 - Feb 24 by BlueBadger |
I know you've always thought of him as a bit smarmy but where on EARTH have you dug up that 'accepted two jobs' nonsense from? [Post edited 24 Feb 16:09]
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He was very close to the Palace job. Was in there boardroom at some point I believe. The Brighton job was also a close call, but don't know the exact details of either interview. |  |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:19 - Feb 24 with 2351 views | BlueBadger |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:15 - Feb 24 by MK1 |
He was very close to the Palace job. Was in there boardroom at some point I believe. The Brighton job was also a close call, but don't know the exact details of either interview. |
Ah. Frimmers doesn't know the difference between 'accepted' and 'offered'. | |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:33 - Feb 24 with 2306 views | homer_123 |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:00 - Feb 24 by FrimleyBlue |
I get he ended up staying badge
But when he's already accepted two jobs before changing his mind last minute , What makes It seem like he really wants to make his name here. |
Apart from the fact he's here, managing us, nothing really. |  |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:39 - Feb 24 with 2276 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:19 - Feb 24 by BlueBadger |
Ah. Frimmers doesn't know the difference between 'accepted' and 'offered'. |
Well no. As we know he accepted both and then changed his mind last minute on both jobs. That's vastly different from just being offered.
BTW. No issue that happened etc. Just don't get how you came to your view. | |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:41 - Feb 24 with 2267 views | BlueBadger |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:39 - Feb 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Well no. As we know he accepted both and then changed his mind last minute on both jobs. That's vastly different from just being offered.
BTW. No issue that happened etc. Just don't get how you came to your view. |
Got proof of that?
/edit for people who can't be arsed scrolling through - no he doesn't and also, Frimmers doesn't understand what 'accepting an offer' means. [Post edited 24 Feb 22:28]
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:44 - Feb 24 with 2252 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:41 - Feb 24 by BlueBadger |
Got proof of that?
/edit for people who can't be arsed scrolling through - no he doesn't and also, Frimmers doesn't understand what 'accepting an offer' means. [Post edited 24 Feb 22:28]
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Been covered before badge.
BTW. No issue with you thinking he wants to improve himself whilst here etc. But REALLY wanting to make his name here is for me anyway OTT thinking because of the above. | |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:48 - Feb 24 with 2235 views | Devereuxxx |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:09 - Feb 24 by BlueBadger |
I know you've always thought of him as a bit smarmy but where on EARTH have you dug up that 'accepted two jobs' nonsense from? [Post edited 24 Feb 16:09]
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I believe this is referring to the indication Phil gave that both Brighton and Palace, at different points, were all but certain Mckenna was going to join them, only for him not to take the role.
So he hadn't accepted the jobs, but certainly didn't walk away from the opportunity to talk to both teams (and why wouldn't you, leverage in football is part of the furniture). |  | | |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:53 - Feb 24 with 2200 views | homer_123 |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:39 - Feb 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Well no. As we know he accepted both and then changed his mind last minute on both jobs. That's vastly different from just being offered.
BTW. No issue that happened etc. Just don't get how you came to your view. |
It's on record that he's turned down numerous offers.
There's no record of him 'accepting' a position and then going back on it. In fact, that would be an incredibly bad thing to do for his reputation.
Both Palace and Brighton approached him and 'offered' said positions, but he ultimately accepted a new deal here. | |
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