| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix 13:00 - Feb 24 with 4658 views | Chris_ITFC |
For all the doom and gloom, I’m optimistically looking forward to next season with Kieran in charge of an exciting young team, whichever division we end up in.
Football is unpredictable, this can all change with a few bad results, but it’s a fact that there are a limited number of clubs ‘bigger’ than us now.
At times, the risk of losing McKenna to one has been very high (e.g. last summer), but *currently*, I see the risk of that being repeated this summer to be quite diminished - purely because of the state of play at that limited number of other clubs:
HIGH RISK:
None
MEDIUM RISK:
Managers with the potential to be poached:
Bournemouth
LOW-MEDIUM RISK:
McKenna makes their shortlist, but existing managers likely to be given more time:
Chelsea, Man United, Tottenham, Brighton, Palace, West Ham
LOW RISK:
Current managers in strong position / less likely to be sacked or poached / less likely to come for McKenna:
Forest, Newcastle, Villa, Fulham, Brentford, Everton
Unknowns, but unlikely:
Wolves, Promoted sides
NO RISK:
Obvious no:
Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City
*opinions may vary! |  | | |  |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:56 - Feb 24 with 1161 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:53 - Feb 24 by homer_123 |
It's on record that he's turned down numerous offers.
There's no record of him 'accepting' a position and then going back on it. In fact, that would be an incredibly bad thing to do for his reputation.
Both Palace and Brighton approached him and 'offered' said positions, but he ultimately accepted a new deal here. |
OK I'll follow you all.
Both clubs were certain he was going to be their new manager but only because they spoke about the job. |  |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 17:02 - Feb 24 with 1140 views | homer_123 |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:48 - Feb 24 by Devereuxxx |
I believe this is referring to the indication Phil gave that both Brighton and Palace, at different points, were all but certain Mckenna was going to join them, only for him not to take the role.
So he hadn't accepted the jobs, but certainly didn't walk away from the opportunity to talk to both teams (and why wouldn't you, leverage in football is part of the furniture). |
I would add two additional things here.
1. Ipswich are never going to stand in his way and refuse permission for KM to speak to another Club.
2. KM owes it to himself to then talk with said Clubs.
So, no he didn't walk away, and rightly so. I don't think any of us would walk away from speaking to a prospective new job opportunity if we had the opportunity to find out what it was about first. |  |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 17:06 - Feb 24 with 1131 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 17:02 - Feb 24 by homer_123 |
I would add two additional things here.
1. Ipswich are never going to stand in his way and refuse permission for KM to speak to another Club.
2. KM owes it to himself to then talk with said Clubs.
So, no he didn't walk away, and rightly so. I don't think any of us would walk away from speaking to a prospective new job opportunity if we had the opportunity to find out what it was about first. |
So homer out of interest.
If you were going hiring for a position at your company what would make you certain you had your man.
Having a chat
Or having a chat and being told they'd like to accept but theres paperwork to be signed the following days...
No one at all has issue him talking. That's the minimum you expect and rightly so.
But if a club is certain they have a new manager then that manager has given them a reason to be certain. You ain't getting that certain vibe just because you had conversations.
Anyways. Off for some steak. | |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 17:10 - Feb 24 with 1129 views | bsw72 |
I think the biggest impact around KM this year is that his management reputation has not been enhanced significantly, I would even suggest it is slightly tarnished.
Don't get me wrong, I think he is still going to be a superb manager, but he has clearly shown that he is some way from being a Premier League manager at this time with his approach to player signings this year and how he has built the team.
Whether a more established PL club would be willing to back him now or over the summer is open to question, and I don't see KM leaving to start again at a Championship side. |  | | |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 17:16 - Feb 24 with 1118 views | BlueBadger |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:44 - Feb 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Been covered before badge.
BTW. No issue with you thinking he wants to improve himself whilst here etc. But REALLY wanting to make his name here is for me anyway OTT thinking because of the above. |
So no, no proof that he actually did that stuff. |  |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 17:16 - Feb 24 with 1118 views | BlueBadger |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:48 - Feb 24 by Devereuxxx |
I believe this is referring to the indication Phil gave that both Brighton and Palace, at different points, were all but certain Mckenna was going to join them, only for him not to take the role.
So he hadn't accepted the jobs, but certainly didn't walk away from the opportunity to talk to both teams (and why wouldn't you, leverage in football is part of the furniture). |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 17:23 - Feb 24 with 1108 views | blueasfook |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 17:16 - Feb 24 by BlueBadger |
So no, no proof that he actually did that stuff. |
Hambo himself said the palace move was all but done bar signing the contract. Not sure how advanced the move to Brighton was but fairly advanced by all accounts. |  |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 17:23 - Feb 24 with 1100 views | dirtyboy |
I still think McKenna is very much a project orientated kind of guy.
Here's my view.
Commit to staying until Christmas in Championship. If all going well, strong position for promotion, then quite likely to stay. Basis being he's got another crack at the PL with a better foundation than we started this year and a lot having been learnt along the way.
Potentially new training ground.
Club in a much better place on and off the pitch. Will go down as one of the best managers we've ever had if he gets us there and keeps us up.
If we're unsettled and we've been picked apart before the season, he'll think twice. If we're way behind, he'll think twice. |  | | |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 17:25 - Feb 24 with 1095 views | homer_123 |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 17:06 - Feb 24 by FrimleyBlue |
So homer out of interest.
If you were going hiring for a position at your company what would make you certain you had your man.
Having a chat
Or having a chat and being told they'd like to accept but theres paperwork to be signed the following days...
No one at all has issue him talking. That's the minimum you expect and rightly so.
But if a club is certain they have a new manager then that manager has given them a reason to be certain. You ain't getting that certain vibe just because you had conversations.
Anyways. Off for some steak. |
Signed paperwork but, as we know, that doesn't guarantee it either. | |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 18:34 - Feb 24 with 1051 views | Chris_ITFC |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 17:10 - Feb 24 by bsw72 |
I think the biggest impact around KM this year is that his management reputation has not been enhanced significantly, I would even suggest it is slightly tarnished.
Don't get me wrong, I think he is still going to be a superb manager, but he has clearly shown that he is some way from being a Premier League manager at this time with his approach to player signings this year and how he has built the team.
Whether a more established PL club would be willing to back him now or over the summer is open to question, and I don't see KM leaving to start again at a Championship side. |
Yeah, I don’t think it’s an insult to say a different, more experienced PL would have won us more points with this squad. | | | |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 18:39 - Feb 24 with 1037 views | BlueBadger |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 17:23 - Feb 24 by blueasfook |
Hambo himself said the palace move was all but done bar signing the contract. Not sure how advanced the move to Brighton was but fairly advanced by all accounts. |
If you don't sign a contract, you haven't accepted an offer.
I know you're desperate for this to be true, but this is really pisspoor, even from you. | |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 18:52 - Feb 24 with 1008 views | cressi |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:17 - Feb 24 by HighgateBlue |
I don't see this as remotely likely. He's on a contract that still has a fair bit to run, and to resign at the end of the season he'd have to tear that up. It would be a very odd move for someone clearly on the up, when there is zero rumour of any bad blood or infighting at the club which may make him want to get out.
I don't see any similar precedent.
I think that Spurs and Man Utd are higher risk than the OP suggests, and would put them in the medium category at least. Given the then-current league positions in which Spurs sacked some of their more recent managers (Conte comes to mind), I doubt they will be ecstatic with their current position. A couple of decent results more recently against the likes of Ipswich won't have shifted the dial a great deal, and Big Ange never seems like he got out of the right side of bed. Hopefully they will have a good end to the season and not feel able to pull the trigger.
Man Utd is anyone's guess, but it's a shower in terms of league position, and the boss seems actively unhappy all of the time. Whether they would accept their current status as someone seriously fishing in the McKenna pool I don't know. Hopefully we can spin it that he's the best that the Championship had to offer, much like a number of our players who have not pulled up trees (!)
Keeping Kieran is more important than keeping anyone else, by a long shot. Especially given that we all know that Delap will have too many rich suitors to stick around. |
Really I don't see a top 6 side going near him unless our form and results dramatically improve. Much safer with Frank or Irola. |  | | |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 22:27 - Feb 24 with 920 views | BlueBadger |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 16:56 - Feb 24 by FrimleyBlue |
OK I'll follow you all.
Both clubs were certain he was going to be their new manager but only because they spoke about the job. |
What happened was is they offered him a job and he didn't accept the offer.
Hope that helps.
But he was probably REALLY smarmy about it. | |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 22:49 - Feb 24 with 904 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 17:23 - Feb 24 by dirtyboy |
I still think McKenna is very much a project orientated kind of guy.
Here's my view.
Commit to staying until Christmas in Championship. If all going well, strong position for promotion, then quite likely to stay. Basis being he's got another crack at the PL with a better foundation than we started this year and a lot having been learnt along the way.
Potentially new training ground.
Club in a much better place on and off the pitch. Will go down as one of the best managers we've ever had if he gets us there and keeps us up.
If we're unsettled and we've been picked apart before the season, he'll think twice. If we're way behind, he'll think twice. |
I would make your outline broadly accurate. However, as with any employment, what is offered and when is an unknown that changes. McKenna will look at his options whenever they arise but the fact he has a very good position here means it would take an excellent one to attract him away. Ultimately that is likely to happen at some point. |  |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 22:49 - Feb 24 with 901 views | reusersfreekicks |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:09 - Feb 24 by Bellevue_Blue |
I actually think the far far bigger risk is that he resigns and waits it out for the next best opportunity.
Playing devils advocate, why risk a season in the Champ? He's proven he's above that level and might look at Rob Edwards for example who was being touted for the ITFC job should KM have gone, now out of a job and would probably only be considered for mid table champ jobs.
I think he loves management too much (as well as the obvious financial security he has) to do that though ... [Post edited 24 Feb 13:10]
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How has he proven he above that level??
Great manager but has made a number of mistakes this season which can be put down to inexperience at this level [Post edited 24 Feb 22:56]
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 11:20 - Feb 25 with 768 views | soupytwist |
I think I'd put Brentford and possibly Palace in the category of MEDIUM RISK: Managers with the potential to be poached
Glasner has turned Palace around after a poor start when they had loads of injuries. He could/should be on the radar for a bigger job. Whether Palace would then be inclined to pursue McKenna given what happened previously is another matter.
And if Thomas Frank decided to leave Brentford he could probably take his pick of pretty much any available job.
McKenna now knows what a half-decent Premier League side looks like and how far we are off that, so might be more receptive to an approach from a club that's at first glance no bigger than us. |  | | |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 11:31 - Feb 25 with 732 views | DarkBrandon |
I have some sympathy with the OP, but the argument is basically:
“No PL managers are likely to be sacked before the start of next season”
Which seems unlikely to me.
Some probably won’t consider McK seriously (if Guardiola had enough for example) and perhaps he wouldn’t consider the odd basket case of a club (Wolves?), but we’d need a lot to align for him not to have a decision to make in the Summer |  | | |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 11:56 - Feb 25 with 707 views | Chris_ITFC |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 11:31 - Feb 25 by DarkBrandon |
I have some sympathy with the OP, but the argument is basically:
“No PL managers are likely to be sacked before the start of next season”
Which seems unlikely to me.
Some probably won’t consider McK seriously (if Guardiola had enough for example) and perhaps he wouldn’t consider the odd basket case of a club (Wolves?), but we’d need a lot to align for him not to have a decision to make in the Summer |
I take your point, typically it would be unlikely, but this isn’t a typical season.
With 11 games to go, almost every team is comfortably safe from last season’s Premier League, aside from Wolves, who are very likely to stay up since switching managers.
This doesn’t eradicate the risk, but it significantly reduces it, along with some more specific narratives / circumstances on a club-by-club basis. | | | |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 12:47 - Feb 25 with 686 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 22:49 - Feb 24 by reusersfreekicks |
How has he proven he above that level??
Great manager but has made a number of mistakes this season which can be put down to inexperience at this level [Post edited 24 Feb 22:56]
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He got automatically promoted, accumulating 96 points with a team that had absolutely no right to be competing with the three around them. He consistently batted above the average at a massive financial disadvantage. That to me is proving he is better than the level.
Of course he's made mistakes this year, the PL was always going to be a bigger test but to even be the best of the three is a pretty good achievement given we still probably have the weakest squad of the three. | | | |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 12:59 - Feb 25 with 666 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 12:47 - Feb 25 by Bellevue_Blue |
He got automatically promoted, accumulating 96 points with a team that had absolutely no right to be competing with the three around them. He consistently batted above the average at a massive financial disadvantage. That to me is proving he is better than the level.
Of course he's made mistakes this year, the PL was always going to be a bigger test but to even be the best of the three is a pretty good achievement given we still probably have the weakest squad of the three. |
What if he fits into the J clarke pot, to good for the champ, but not enough for the prem | |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:10 - Feb 25 with 631 views | Jrm_72 |
Point of order - Phil has said on here, more than once, that Kieran gave a verbal yes to both Palace and Brighton, only to subsequently turn them down. So I think we can take that for as much proof as we are ever going to get on that front. | | | |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:15 - Feb 25 with 612 views | TractorWood |
My view is that no way he'd manage us in the championship. I think he'll be off. Probably to Tottenham as an actual long term manager to try and build something there. Ange will be off in the summer you'd think. |  |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:36 - Feb 25 with 568 views | Keno |
Glasgow Rangers will be looking for a new manager |  |
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| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 14:11 - Feb 25 with 539 views | Chris_ITFC |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 13:36 - Feb 25 by Keno |
Glasgow Rangers will be looking for a new manager |
Fair point. Genuine question - is he too good for that already?
Hard to think of many who have progressed their career by going north in recent decades, Ange and Brendan aside. | | | |
| The McKenna Managerial Merry-Go-Round Matrix on 14:40 - Feb 25 with 510 views | WeWereZombies |
Maybe you should also consider the Vincent Kompany route away from the stigma of being manager of a relegated club, an approach from a major German side. |  |
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