| J D Vance is the worst human being ever 22:42 - Feb 28 with 3005 views | reusersfreekicks |
What an utter utter sh1t.
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| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 22:44 - Feb 28 with 2972 views | NeedhamChris |
Yes he is an utter unpleasant and dangerous man - but clearly not the worst human being ever. |  |
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| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 22:48 - Feb 28 with 2939 views | reusersfreekicks |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 22:44 - Feb 28 by NeedhamChris |
Yes he is an utter unpleasant and dangerous man - but clearly not the worst human being ever. |
Oh thanks for the semantics. | | | |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 23:03 - Feb 28 with 2873 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 22:44 - Feb 28 by NeedhamChris |
Yes he is an utter unpleasant and dangerous man - but clearly not the worst human being ever. |
Can’t claim that title without a TWTD ban to your name. | | | |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 23:07 - Feb 28 with 2840 views | pointofblue |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 22:44 - Feb 28 by NeedhamChris |
Yes he is an utter unpleasant and dangerous man - but clearly not the worst human being ever. |
... Yet. | |
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| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 00:49 - Mar 1 with 2634 views | bluester |
True but I think Brian Glenn might be worse. Either way, neither deserves to breathe oxygen. | | | |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 08:53 - Mar 1 with 2351 views | jontysnut |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 22:44 - Feb 28 by NeedhamChris |
Yes he is an utter unpleasant and dangerous man - but clearly not the worst human being ever. |
No, that's the bloke who just done my roof |  | | |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 09:19 - Mar 1 with 2280 views | DJR |
A leopard never changes its spots.
https://apnews.com/article/jd-vance-zelenskyy-ukraine-854b13006d0601223e5ac8d955
Vice President JD Vance was dismissing Ukraine long before he upended an Oval Office meeting Friday by calling Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy “disrespectful” and asking if he had ever thanked the U.S. for its support.
When Vance was a candidate for U.S. Senate in Ohio in 2022, he said on Steve Bannon’s “War Room” podcast that he thought it was ridiculous that the U.S. was focused on the border between Ukraine and Russia. “I gotta be honest with you,” he told the host, a Trump ally. “I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or the other.”
“I think that there are a lot of democracies in the world,” he told The Associated Press that March, shortly after Russia launched its invasion. “And every time that one of them gets into a conflict now, at the end, it can’t be our concern.”
Vance continued to voice similarly isolationist stances throughout the Senate race, which he won with Donald Trump’s help, and as he ran as Trump’s running mate in last year’s presidential election. Last May, Vance said that his two biggest objections to sending U.S. aid to Ukraine were that the war had “no strategic end in sight and it’s not leading anywhere that’s going to ultimately be good for our country” and that it amounts to “subsidizing the Europeans to do nothing.”
The vice president’s argument with Zelenskyy on Friday illustrated the sharp shift in mainstream GOP politics away from an expansive view of protecting democracies abroad. An Iraq War veteran who is widely expected to run for president in 2028, the 40-year-old Vance leads a younger generation of the party that is skeptical of foreign wars and scornful of neoconservatives, following Trump’s lead. |  | | |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 10:21 - Mar 1 with 2120 views | NeedhamChris |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 22:48 - Feb 28 by reusersfreekicks |
Oh thanks for the semantics. |
Perspective is important, that's all. He's clearly not worse than Hitler (so far anyway) | |
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| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 15:16 - Mar 1 with 1844 views | JackNorthStand |
Just watched the interview, I can’t believe Vance said to Zelensky “ you haven’t thanked us once during this interview “.
The man’s country is at war and you think he priority is saying thanks infront of TV cameras. | | | |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 15:40 - Mar 1 with 1796 views | Radlett_blue |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 09:19 - Mar 1 by DJR |
A leopard never changes its spots.
https://apnews.com/article/jd-vance-zelenskyy-ukraine-854b13006d0601223e5ac8d955
Vice President JD Vance was dismissing Ukraine long before he upended an Oval Office meeting Friday by calling Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy “disrespectful” and asking if he had ever thanked the U.S. for its support.
When Vance was a candidate for U.S. Senate in Ohio in 2022, he said on Steve Bannon’s “War Room” podcast that he thought it was ridiculous that the U.S. was focused on the border between Ukraine and Russia. “I gotta be honest with you,” he told the host, a Trump ally. “I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or the other.”
“I think that there are a lot of democracies in the world,” he told The Associated Press that March, shortly after Russia launched its invasion. “And every time that one of them gets into a conflict now, at the end, it can’t be our concern.”
Vance continued to voice similarly isolationist stances throughout the Senate race, which he won with Donald Trump’s help, and as he ran as Trump’s running mate in last year’s presidential election. Last May, Vance said that his two biggest objections to sending U.S. aid to Ukraine were that the war had “no strategic end in sight and it’s not leading anywhere that’s going to ultimately be good for our country” and that it amounts to “subsidizing the Europeans to do nothing.”
The vice president’s argument with Zelenskyy on Friday illustrated the sharp shift in mainstream GOP politics away from an expansive view of protecting democracies abroad. An Iraq War veteran who is widely expected to run for president in 2028, the 40-year-old Vance leads a younger generation of the party that is skeptical of foreign wars and scornful of neoconservatives, following Trump’s lead. |
Why should the USA feel obliged to back Ukraine against Russia when this is largely a European issue & as Trump says, the European NATO members don't seem remotely interested in paying their fair share of the defence costs? |  |
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| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 15:45 - Mar 1 with 1770 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 15:40 - Mar 1 by Radlett_blue |
Why should the USA feel obliged to back Ukraine against Russia when this is largely a European issue & as Trump says, the European NATO members don't seem remotely interested in paying their fair share of the defence costs? |
Because he's wrong about the numbers the way he's wrong about everything. Multi-billionaires should not be dictating the rest of the world's approach to these issues, especially not when they're fantasists whose version of reality is incontestable.
This isn't one of his sh*tty business deals, this is about saving people from tyranny. | | | |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 16:01 - Mar 1 with 1721 views | Radlett_blue |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 15:45 - Mar 1 by FoghornGleghorn |
Because he's wrong about the numbers the way he's wrong about everything. Multi-billionaires should not be dictating the rest of the world's approach to these issues, especially not when they're fantasists whose version of reality is incontestable.
This isn't one of his sh*tty business deals, this is about saving people from tyranny. |
The USA spends 3.4% of GDP on defence. Of the other NATO members, only Poland & Estonia spend more (& they probably have good reason to do so). At least 8 NATO members don't even spend the agreed 2%. | |
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| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 16:23 - Mar 1 with 1649 views | StokieBlue |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 15:16 - Mar 1 by JackNorthStand |
Just watched the interview, I can’t believe Vance said to Zelensky “ you haven’t thanked us once during this interview “.
The man’s country is at war and you think he priority is saying thanks infront of TV cameras. |
He's actually thanked them 33 times according to FactCheck.
It's the post-facts era though so I guess that doesn't matter.
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| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 16:31 - Mar 1 with 1608 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 16:01 - Mar 1 by Radlett_blue |
The USA spends 3.4% of GDP on defence. Of the other NATO members, only Poland & Estonia spend more (& they probably have good reason to do so). At least 8 NATO members don't even spend the agreed 2%. |
So the vast majority do then meet the agreed target level - the AGREED target level - but USA spends more of its own volition, and because a demagogue storms in and tells NATO everyone else is doing it wrong, that just means they're right and everyone should dance to their tune? | | | |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 16:42 - Mar 1 with 1554 views | Churchman |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 16:01 - Mar 1 by Radlett_blue |
The USA spends 3.4% of GDP on defence. Of the other NATO members, only Poland & Estonia spend more (& they probably have good reason to do so). At least 8 NATO members don't even spend the agreed 2%. |
Some stats
https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2024/6/pdf/240617-def-exp-202
Nobody is saying that other NATO members have not pulled their weight. It’s not been anywhere good enough. That includes the U.K. whose spending actually hasn’t fallen beneath the 2% yet. It’s something I’ve banged on about for a long time.
But none of that excuses US ratting out on Ukraine and what has been an enemy since 1945. You might argue that giving Europe to Russian rule would bring peace to the continent and splitting up the world into spheres of influence for the big three is a good thing. I will always disagree.
Democracy, however flawed is always worth fighting for. So is freedom of speech. Many people sacrificed to give us the freedoms we have. That America no longer cares about things like that is their shame. It is up to non-dictator Europe to look now to the future, look after itself and what it has paid in blood for. |  | | |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 16:46 - Mar 1 with 1535 views | EdwardStone |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 15:40 - Mar 1 by Radlett_blue |
Why should the USA feel obliged to back Ukraine against Russia when this is largely a European issue & as Trump says, the European NATO members don't seem remotely interested in paying their fair share of the defence costs? |
The entire post- 1945 doctrine is based around limiting the spread of Soviet/ Chinese influence on the basis that the population under these regimes are subject to privations and cruelty that are utterly unacceptable to us living in the West
Whilst the Western World is far from perfect, the cruelty shown by Putin and his forebears is abhorrent....see the few first posts on the 50 odd page Ukraine thread that outline some of the atrocities commited by Putin's troops in Bucha and other Ukrainian places.
Underpinning the Cold War Doctrine was the idea that Soviet/ Communist leaders were fundamentally untrustworthy and would, at any given moment, seek to take advantage and expand their empire by force.... think the Chinese aneexation of Tibet, tanks rolling through the streets of Prague and now Putin's obsession of recreating the Glorious Greater Russia that seeks to take over all the former Warsaw Pact nations as well as all the former soviet states.
This Cold War balance has been completely trashed in recent weeks by the Trump, a man with no comprehension skills, no understanding of history and a vain desire to see himself awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.
If Putin is not stopped in Ukraine, where do you imagine he might be stopped? When he has taken the Baltic States?
It is in the interest of the Western World that Putin is stopped soonest and the US has the technology and weapons needed to acheive this; sadly it does not have a leader with the moral compass to understand the imperative [Post edited 1 Mar 16:48]
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| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 16:48 - Mar 1 with 1530 views | Radlett_blue |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 16:42 - Mar 1 by Churchman |
Some stats
https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2024/6/pdf/240617-def-exp-202
Nobody is saying that other NATO members have not pulled their weight. It’s not been anywhere good enough. That includes the U.K. whose spending actually hasn’t fallen beneath the 2% yet. It’s something I’ve banged on about for a long time.
But none of that excuses US ratting out on Ukraine and what has been an enemy since 1945. You might argue that giving Europe to Russian rule would bring peace to the continent and splitting up the world into spheres of influence for the big three is a good thing. I will always disagree.
Democracy, however flawed is always worth fighting for. So is freedom of speech. Many people sacrificed to give us the freedoms we have. That America no longer cares about things like that is their shame. It is up to non-dictator Europe to look now to the future, look after itself and what it has paid in blood for. |
The West - particularly Europe as I don't see why the USA should have to act as a global policeman - should have stood up to Putin's Russia when he annexed the Crimean peninsula. They did nothing so therefore Putin felt he could invade the rest of Ukraine. Arguably, Europe's response should have been faster & stronger but Western Europe has little stomach for wars, especially as any action seems to require the unanimous agreement of umpteen countries. | |
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| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 16:59 - Mar 1 with 1496 views | Swansea_Blue |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 16:46 - Mar 1 by EdwardStone |
The entire post- 1945 doctrine is based around limiting the spread of Soviet/ Chinese influence on the basis that the population under these regimes are subject to privations and cruelty that are utterly unacceptable to us living in the West
Whilst the Western World is far from perfect, the cruelty shown by Putin and his forebears is abhorrent....see the few first posts on the 50 odd page Ukraine thread that outline some of the atrocities commited by Putin's troops in Bucha and other Ukrainian places.
Underpinning the Cold War Doctrine was the idea that Soviet/ Communist leaders were fundamentally untrustworthy and would, at any given moment, seek to take advantage and expand their empire by force.... think the Chinese aneexation of Tibet, tanks rolling through the streets of Prague and now Putin's obsession of recreating the Glorious Greater Russia that seeks to take over all the former Warsaw Pact nations as well as all the former soviet states.
This Cold War balance has been completely trashed in recent weeks by the Trump, a man with no comprehension skills, no understanding of history and a vain desire to see himself awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.
If Putin is not stopped in Ukraine, where do you imagine he might be stopped? When he has taken the Baltic States?
It is in the interest of the Western World that Putin is stopped soonest and the US has the technology and weapons needed to acheive this; sadly it does not have a leader with the moral compass to understand the imperative [Post edited 1 Mar 16:48]
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Quite. I was just going to post that looking at it in terms of the US subsidising our defence is a tiny part of why they spend so much on defence. It’s buying them strategic power around the world to, as you say, safeguard values and standards, but also to promote western economic value to provide them with more markets.
Plus it’s not all about us. A lot of US spending goes on its own military of course (there are 2 or 3 other countries that pay as much or more to the NATO central pot). They’re big and rich and are spending it to gain military and economic supremacy. |  |
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| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 17:06 - Mar 1 with 1452 views | EdwardStone |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 16:59 - Mar 1 by Swansea_Blue |
Quite. I was just going to post that looking at it in terms of the US subsidising our defence is a tiny part of why they spend so much on defence. It’s buying them strategic power around the world to, as you say, safeguard values and standards, but also to promote western economic value to provide them with more markets.
Plus it’s not all about us. A lot of US spending goes on its own military of course (there are 2 or 3 other countries that pay as much or more to the NATO central pot). They’re big and rich and are spending it to gain military and economic supremacy. |
You mention values and standards.... the idea that we live in a rules based society where everyone must abide by some common held beleifs
The issue with Trump being that he sees rules as something for little people, not anything he need concern himself with.
The man is a moral degenerate and utterly unfit to run a whelk stall, let alone be the leader of the Free World | | | |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 17:21 - Mar 1 with 1398 views | reusersfreekicks |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 15:40 - Mar 1 by Radlett_blue |
Why should the USA feel obliged to back Ukraine against Russia when this is largely a European issue & as Trump says, the European NATO members don't seem remotely interested in paying their fair share of the defence costs? |
FFS A country has been invaded by a foreign dictatorship. Morality? Right and Wrong?
Worst post on here for a while | | | |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 17:55 - Mar 1 with 1304 views | Churchman |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 16:48 - Mar 1 by Radlett_blue |
The West - particularly Europe as I don't see why the USA should have to act as a global policeman - should have stood up to Putin's Russia when he annexed the Crimean peninsula. They did nothing so therefore Putin felt he could invade the rest of Ukraine. Arguably, Europe's response should have been faster & stronger but Western Europe has little stomach for wars, especially as any action seems to require the unanimous agreement of umpteen countries. |
The west is not seeking war. Nor is it seeking territory. Russia is. Putin sees himself as Peter the Great, Catherine TG. The man who restored Russia’s rightful territories.
Shame it’s all nonsense. Countries like Ukraine, Poland, etc are an entity. They have the right to exist. Those that wish to take them like Russia or plunder them like the US are pariah states. Animals basically. They understand force. Words are used to force without cost to themselves but really the likes of Putin and Trump don’t care about lives, people’s, self determination or anything else. Themselves and what they can steal is all that matters.
The post war was a period where the victors had the chance to shape a better world. Russia chose a different path but on its own despite their faults the most powerful country the US sought to do that. It wasn’t just about right and wrong. It was actually beneficial from an economic viewpoint for them. Militarily, nuclear weapons could never be invented so the threat kept the peace.
Now that the US is Team Russia that’s all changed. No, America should not be leeched off militarily as Europe has done for years. There was advantage economically and politically for the US taking a lead and holding NATO together but it’s been obvious for some while that many there didn’t see that.
However, what we should have done is immaterial now. It’s what we do now, from today. Things are changing fast. A good meeting Thursday looks pointless Saturday. The European states with sufficient economic power have to take the lead. That’s Germany, France and the U.K. most of the rest, especially those adjacent to Russia will support it.
That means coordination, political will and monetary sacrifice. Without it, Europe including the U.K. will fall in to use Churchills words ‘a new dark age’. Rhetoric and groundless fear stirring. I wish it was and that I’m utterly wrong. [Post edited 1 Mar 17:57]
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| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 19:01 - Mar 1 with 1142 views | DJR |
| J D Vance is the worst human being ever on 16:01 - Mar 1 by Radlett_blue |
The USA spends 3.4% of GDP on defence. Of the other NATO members, only Poland & Estonia spend more (& they probably have good reason to do so). At least 8 NATO members don't even spend the agreed 2%. |
The USA spends 3.4% of GDP on defence but far more of its troops and resources are based in the USA, Asia and the Pacific than in Europe.
That being the case, I rather doubt that it spends even 1% of its GDP on defending Europe which (so far as I am aware) is less than any individual European country.
Don't be taken in by Trump's hype and hyperbole. [Post edited 1 Mar 19:03]
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