| The State Visit 23:42 - Feb 28 with 4191 views | Fixed_It |
When would be the best time to pull it? Now, or when Trump is about to board Airforce One? Or when he is half way across the Atlantic? Or do we let him land and face the protests, before telling him the King has changed his mind? Which would embarrass him most? [Post edited 28 Feb 23:44]
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| The State Visit on 13:27 - Mar 2 with 1070 views | Swansea_Blue |
That’s pathetically immature and puerile.
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| The State Visit on 13:49 - Mar 2 with 1030 views | Radlett_blue |
| The State Visit on 13:23 - Mar 2 by Nutkins_Return |
You ACTUALLY think cancelling it would be a good idea. I understand 100% the moral stance and of course Trump is a dreadful person to be the leader of the free world. But he is democratically elected and to burn relations with this Psychopath would be an absolute disaster for us, for our kids and for the world as we know it.
You start to disintegrate the relations between the west and NATO countries and the most powerful one of the lot and we are in big big trouble. It may sound like hyperbole but when we are broke as a nation and Europe is really struggling and potential invasions and death are happening in Europe then your moral stance poll will look a little appalling honestly.
Reality is we have 4 years of this Moron and we have to use diplomacy, put our egos and moral superiority a step back and try to mend the world. |
Lots of asinine comments on here relating to Trump (yes he's an ass) & how we should deal with him. Whether we like it or not, he is executive leader of the most powerful country in the world & a country that has long been an important ally of the UK. While I don't buy the old "special relationship" b/s (the relationship has become very one sided, given the relative power of the 2 countries) do we want to dump the USA as an ally? I would guess not and while that doesn't mean we have to genuflect in front of Trump, deliberately antagonising him would be counter productive.
Yes, if he makes a State visit, by all means turn up & protest peacefully - that's an important part of living in a free democracy. |  |
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| The State Visit on 14:00 - Mar 2 with 1001 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The State Visit on 13:49 - Mar 2 by Radlett_blue |
Lots of asinine comments on here relating to Trump (yes he's an ass) & how we should deal with him. Whether we like it or not, he is executive leader of the most powerful country in the world & a country that has long been an important ally of the UK. While I don't buy the old "special relationship" b/s (the relationship has become very one sided, given the relative power of the 2 countries) do we want to dump the USA as an ally? I would guess not and while that doesn't mean we have to genuflect in front of Trump, deliberately antagonising him would be counter productive.
Yes, if he makes a State visit, by all means turn up & protest peacefully - that's an important part of living in a free democracy. |
There is much merit in what you say.
However, there is a genuine discussion to be had here. The damage to be done through normalising, accepting and rewarding Trump's behaviour could be just as far reaching. Its like an abusive relationship. |  | | |
| The State Visit on 14:22 - Mar 2 with 973 views | Nutkins_Return |
| The State Visit on 13:49 - Mar 2 by Radlett_blue |
Lots of asinine comments on here relating to Trump (yes he's an ass) & how we should deal with him. Whether we like it or not, he is executive leader of the most powerful country in the world & a country that has long been an important ally of the UK. While I don't buy the old "special relationship" b/s (the relationship has become very one sided, given the relative power of the 2 countries) do we want to dump the USA as an ally? I would guess not and while that doesn't mean we have to genuflect in front of Trump, deliberately antagonising him would be counter productive.
Yes, if he makes a State visit, by all means turn up & protest peacefully - that's an important part of living in a free democracy. |
Exactly. Can't stand the special relationship stuff but I can suck it up and deal with it for the greater good of people's lives. | |
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| The State Visit on 14:25 - Mar 2 with 963 views | Nutkins_Return |
| The State Visit on 14:00 - Mar 2 by redrickstuhaart |
There is much merit in what you say.
However, there is a genuine discussion to be had here. The damage to be done through normalising, accepting and rewarding Trump's behaviour could be just as far reaching. Its like an abusive relationship. |
I do get what you are saying but this relationship will end. The world has always had these cycles of extreme right wing/psycho leaders and I agree has to be some push back at times but key thing is limit their damage in the time they have. Unfortunately this is a man who will make meaningful and disastrous world decisions if his ego is hurt. Terrible man. | |
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| The State Visit on 14:28 - Mar 2 with 942 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The State Visit on 14:25 - Mar 2 by Nutkins_Return |
I do get what you are saying but this relationship will end. The world has always had these cycles of extreme right wing/psycho leaders and I agree has to be some push back at times but key thing is limit their damage in the time they have. Unfortunately this is a man who will make meaningful and disastrous world decisions if his ego is hurt. Terrible man. |
The relationship has already ended in an important sense. Sometimes we must do the right thing rather than the beneficial thing.
We can rebuild the moment there is a grown up in the white house. America as a whole will not be offended, just a thin skinned narcissist bully. [Post edited 2 Mar 14:36]
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| The State Visit on 14:30 - Mar 2 with 935 views | Churchman |
| The State Visit on 13:49 - Mar 2 by Radlett_blue |
Lots of asinine comments on here relating to Trump (yes he's an ass) & how we should deal with him. Whether we like it or not, he is executive leader of the most powerful country in the world & a country that has long been an important ally of the UK. While I don't buy the old "special relationship" b/s (the relationship has become very one sided, given the relative power of the 2 countries) do we want to dump the USA as an ally? I would guess not and while that doesn't mean we have to genuflect in front of Trump, deliberately antagonising him would be counter productive.
Yes, if he makes a State visit, by all means turn up & protest peacefully - that's an important part of living in a free democracy. |
A little bit of Mickey taking out of trump does no harm. In fact it’s a good thing. Grovelling in front of Trump had to be done this week by Macron and Starmer. They had to try, but the picture of what america is doing, what its values are and how it sees western countries was there for all to see.
The reality is that yes, the US is an ally of the U.K. and particularly in military there is a lot of co-ordination. Trade wise they are currently our biggest single trading partner though that may change when the administration seeks to extort through tariffs.
As I’ve said in another post, by and large, Americans loathe this country. Trump and Vance certainly do. They played good cop bad cop even with Starmer. Vance tried to provoke, Starmer deflected. Had he bitten Trump would have blown up just like he did on Friday.
Trump and co are there for four years, quite possibly eight and beyond. There’s plenty of talk on it. They have mass support. That country’s America First policy is literally that. At the expense of anyone, particularly the weakest. Evidence: attempted financial shake down of Ukraine.
There’s zero respect for weakness or the weak. There’s no understanding of the world or care about it. Strength and power, which is why they respect and even like Putin. This morning head boy Musk spouted about withdrawal from nato and UN. The X feed where Americans commented - most were in favour. It’s going to happen and possibly soon.
So what does Britain do? Well its leadership needs clear sightedness and strength. Starmer did well this week. He’s going to have to do well for a lot longer. Gravitating from US claws is vital but given trade and shared defence it has to be done slowly, over time and in as agreeable way as possible. Short term ‘diplomacy’ and keeping the remains of the relationship intact, long term planning and ramping up.
It has to be done. If the other Europeans wish to hide and play ‘eat him first’ with Putin fine. Their choice but Britain with those like minded need to wake up to reality, bear the awful cost and look to the future. It shouldn’t be, but the reality is an aggressive dictator on one side, expansionist China and an autocracy that has changed its role in the world. It’s there now to look after just its elite at the expense of anybody including a big chunk of its own population.
In the meantime, all the stuff on social media roasting Trump and his henchmen: great. The more the better. Charlie Chaplin’s p£ss take really annoyed Adolf. So what. The truth can be expressed in different ways. As for Trumps visit, it was a nifty move and was successful in putting Trump off for a bit. But subsequent events make me wish he’d never made the offer. The gift of hindsight. |  | | |
| The State Visit on 14:34 - Mar 2 with 911 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The State Visit on 13:23 - Mar 2 by Nutkins_Return |
You ACTUALLY think cancelling it would be a good idea. I understand 100% the moral stance and of course Trump is a dreadful person to be the leader of the free world. But he is democratically elected and to burn relations with this Psychopath would be an absolute disaster for us, for our kids and for the world as we know it.
You start to disintegrate the relations between the west and NATO countries and the most powerful one of the lot and we are in big big trouble. It may sound like hyperbole but when we are broke as a nation and Europe is really struggling and potential invasions and death are happening in Europe then your moral stance poll will look a little appalling honestly.
Reality is we have 4 years of this Moron and we have to use diplomacy, put our egos and moral superiority a step back and try to mend the world. |
Indeed. The impact of doing things right even while others are behaving poorly should be noticeable.
EDIT: And this country still does have the right of free speech that will allow protestors to make their views clear. [Post edited 2 Mar 14:35]
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| The State Visit on 14:38 - Mar 2 with 880 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The State Visit on 14:34 - Mar 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Indeed. The impact of doing things right even while others are behaving poorly should be noticeable.
EDIT: And this country still does have the right of free speech that will allow protestors to make their views clear. [Post edited 2 Mar 14:35]
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With 4 years (at least!) of damage limitation and chaos management. The trouble is, dealing with the ManBaby is going to suck the energy and money out of the system, when the focus should have been on trying to rebuild the mess the Tories left behind. At least this isn’t self-imposed like Brexit, but it’s a distraction nonetheless. | |
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| The State Visit on 15:04 - Mar 2 with 836 views | Nutkins_Return |
| The State Visit on 14:34 - Mar 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Indeed. The impact of doing things right even while others are behaving poorly should be noticeable.
EDIT: And this country still does have the right of free speech that will allow protestors to make their views clear. [Post edited 2 Mar 14:35]
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Yes no issue with public protest. | |
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| The State Visit on 15:33 - Mar 2 with 778 views | Mullet |
| The State Visit on 15:04 - Mar 2 by Nutkins_Return |
Yes no issue with public protest. |
Plus it will confuse Vance et al who keep tweeting that we don’t have free speech.
Would be good to have them booed and jeered across the city and big printouts of all the nonsense they’ve said pinned up around the meeting room.
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| The State Visit on 16:26 - Mar 2 with 708 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The State Visit on 15:33 - Mar 2 by Mullet |
Plus it will confuse Vance et al who keep tweeting that we don’t have free speech.
Would be good to have them booed and jeered across the city and big printouts of all the nonsense they’ve said pinned up around the meeting room.
Perhaps we could broadcast that to the world? |
Will probably Tweet about the size of the crowds out to show their support for them regardless of the banners and chants. | |
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| The State Visit on 18:39 - Mar 2 with 620 views | keebsdad |
| The State Visit on 13:23 - Mar 2 by Nutkins_Return |
You ACTUALLY think cancelling it would be a good idea. I understand 100% the moral stance and of course Trump is a dreadful person to be the leader of the free world. But he is democratically elected and to burn relations with this Psychopath would be an absolute disaster for us, for our kids and for the world as we know it.
You start to disintegrate the relations between the west and NATO countries and the most powerful one of the lot and we are in big big trouble. It may sound like hyperbole but when we are broke as a nation and Europe is really struggling and potential invasions and death are happening in Europe then your moral stance poll will look a little appalling honestly.
Reality is we have 4 years of this Moron and we have to use diplomacy, put our egos and moral superiority a step back and try to mend the world. |
I do not expect it to be cancelled any more than I expect Starmer, Macron et al to really stand up to Trump. However, anyone who thinks that the USA is an ally that can be trusted and depended on while Trump is in power is seriously deluding themselves. His style of deal-making seems to be straight out of The Godfather so he will sell us out if he thinks he can get a better deal from a future aggressor. Unfortunately the UK and other nations will try to tread the diplomatic path in an asymmetrical relationship (yes, it always has been but not like this). Should there be another 9/11, say, we'll be sending troops into Dumfickingstan to die on US' behalf but, say, the Argies decided to have another go at The Falklands then Trump wouldn't give a rat's ars3. | | | |
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