| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant 13:47 - Mar 3 with 4370 views | unstableblue |
For many years now there has been an alignment between Russian talking points, propaganda and misinformation and the media / social media that feeds the MAGA movement.
The point of this post is that is alignment is now moving into policy and action by the US government, including into political, defence and security decisions.
I am sure there a few even on this board that have some sympathy to these original MAGA views: NATO provoked Russian, the build up of Ukrainian troops threatened Moscow, Crime and the East of Ukraine are Russian enclaves. And the more extreme propaganda / conspiracy about bio-weapon labs, and investment funds, and nazi leadership in Kiev. etc etc
These MAGA views have been cemented by the likes of Tucker Carlson, the alt-right ex Fox news commentator, who seems a Russian patsy, and yet was give centre stage in the Trump inauguration. A dangerous individual.
Stepping back I think we all are very keen to see a lasting peace in Ukraine, to see our taxes spent not on defence but on health and education. We don't want escalation or British troops on the ground. But also I think people realise emboldening Russia now, will lead to further cost down the line. Sadly Russia was close to defeat, stagflation at home, a crippling of the economy by the defence footing - but the new US government has emboldened them.
But of course the facts remain that Putins has written a meif kampfesqe essay on Ukraine (mandatory reading for Russian military) which confirms his wish to expand the Russian motherland into Ukraine, is an ex-KGB operative who spied on western embassies, has murdered dissidents/opponents (including on foreign soil), has total control of Russian media, has been involved in conflicts in Georgia and Syria, has brought North Korean troops and sent 10,000s of conscripts to their deaths in Ukraine, has launched huge cyber warfare campaigns and is attacking western infrastructure, etc etc etc
Indeed last night Moscow launched a large scale aerial offensive against Ukraine with multiple military and civilian casualties.
Meanwhile in Washington, Tulsi Gabbard, the US Director of National Intelligence spouts pro-Kremlin and anti-Ukraine rhetoric. Musk amplifies Moscow messaging against Ukraine and Zelensky on X. Trump and JD Vance go after Zelensky in public. All of them parroting the original MAGA messaging that is in fact Kremlin misinformation that has been fed via cyber warfare into the US psyche.
AND crucially today: "The US has suspended operations and planning for offensive cyber operations against Russia"
Previous US governments, the FBI and CIA have proven the huge threat from Russia from their cyber operations, multiple enquiries and reports. And yet this administration are shutting down efforts to prevent and stop:
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/02/politics/us-cyber-operations-russia-suspend/i
These are remarkable events and times. |  |
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| Three big voices wading in today on 08:53 - Mar 4 with 1098 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Three big voices wading in today on 14:36 - Mar 3 by unstableblue |
From (evil mainstream media) BBC:
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Former Polish President and Nobel Peace prize winner (and 39 other polish political prisoners) in open letter to Trump:
"We watched the coverage of your conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky with horror and distaste,"
"We consider your expectations regarding showing respect and gratitude for the material assistance provided by the United States to Ukraine in its fight with Russia to be offensive,"
"Gratitude is due to the heroic Ukrainian soldiers who shed blood in defence of the values of the free world."
"We do not understand how the leader of a country that is the symbol of the free world can fail to see this,"
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The United Nations Human Rights Commissioner says he is "deeply worried" by the "fundamental shift" in the US' direction "both domestically and internationally".
Without mentioning Trump, Volker Türk adds that "disinformation" and "intimidation" against journalists and public officials risk "undermining the work of institutions."
His comments come a few weeks after the US stunned its allies by reopening peace talks with Russia - with no one else invited to the table.
"Any discussions about ending the war must include Ukrainians and fully respect their human rights," Türk says, according to Reuters news agency.
The news agency adds that Türk says he is "stunned" by the casting aside of international institutions, calling budget cuts "a massive setback for human rights protection".
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Germany's likely next chancellor Friedrich Merz says Friday's exchange between US President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House was a "manufactured escalation".
"It was not a spontaneous reaction to interventions by Zelensky, but obviously a manufactured escalation in this meeting in the Oval Office," Merz tells a news conference in Hamburg, Reuters and AFP news agencies report.
Merz says Europe is now under pressure to act quickly: "We must now show that we are in a position to act independently in Europe." |
"It was not a spontaneous reaction to interventions by Zelensky, but obviously a manufactured escalation in this meeting in the Oval Office,"
Trump has seen Starmer and Macron in the Oval office over the last week/10 days, anyone know if Vance was in the room for both of those? |  |
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| Three big voices wading in today on 08:56 - Mar 4 with 1086 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Three big voices wading in today on 08:53 - Mar 4 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"It was not a spontaneous reaction to interventions by Zelensky, but obviously a manufactured escalation in this meeting in the Oval Office,"
Trump has seen Starmer and Macron in the Oval office over the last week/10 days, anyone know if Vance was in the room for both of those? |
Vance tried to wind Starmer up but he side stepped theissue raised. |  |
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| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 09:04 - Mar 4 with 1062 views | Ryorry |
| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 18:37 - Mar 3 by Churchman |
An interesting and correct commentary from the Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/03/donald-trump-world-leaders
I note Trump is still using his social media platform to abuse Zelenski. A man whose country was hit with 1000 drones and 1000 bombs last week. A man who has more courage in his toenail than Trump and his henchmen have in their whole bodies.
He says ‘this guy doesn't want there to be peace as long as he has America's backing," Trump added.
"What are they thinking?" he also asked, appearing to criticise European leaders for saying they "cannot do the job without the US".
He could of course have said ‘Putin could stop the war he caused by invading a sovereign country in a second’. It’s really simple and how it really is. But that would not help Americas best friend Russia. Trumps narrative is Ukraine started it Zelenski wants to continue. They are to blame.
The blaming of victims with language like ‘America will not put up with it for much longer’ is very reminiscent of Hitler abusing the likes of Czechoslovakia and Poland pre WW2 when all they’d done wrong is exist.
I think a lot will happen this week. There’s only so long that Starmer can make positive noises about the world’s newest, most illustrious rogue nation. The break is going to come quickly and very very painfully.
On a positive note, it’s good to see the HoC united on this. |
#RussiaInvadedUkraine was trending for lengthy periods on X over the weekend, despite all the best efforts of the ruskie bots on that platform!
(And after I replied to the BBC’s John Simpson following one of his excellent reports, E.Musk on his second account followed me - I quickly blocked him! (had already blocked his main account)). |  |
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| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 19:04 - Mar 4 with 950 views | Swansea_Blue |
So MP’s are now taking note of our concerns on here, and are starting to ask the question.
Is Trump a Russian asset? https://www.politics.co.uk/news/2025/03/04/senior-conservative-mp-says-uk-must-c
It would certainly explain Trump’s behaviour, and there have long been concerns in that direction. Interesting, although it’s only a social media post. If they start mentioning it in the HoC, then just maybe there’s something to it. It sounds far-fetched, but who knows. |  |
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| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 19:14 - Mar 4 with 916 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 09:04 - Mar 4 by Ryorry |
#RussiaInvadedUkraine was trending for lengthy periods on X over the weekend, despite all the best efforts of the ruskie bots on that platform!
(And after I replied to the BBC’s John Simpson following one of his excellent reports, E.Musk on his second account followed me - I quickly blocked him! (had already blocked his main account)). |
As if he cant overide that! |  | | |
| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 19:17 - Mar 4 with 911 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 08:46 - Mar 4 by Pinewoodblue |
There haven’t been nuclear weapons at RAF Lakenheath since 2008 although the F35As are nuclear capable, there is talk that situation will change.
There are US nuclear bombs stocked elsewhere in Europe. |
The US are the only nation to have dropped nuclear bombs on Europe.
At the moment I think Trump is acting/speaking without thinking through all of the consequences. I am confident that any action the UK does or doesn't take will be fully thought through. |  |
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| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 19:17 - Mar 4 with 907 views | lowhouseblue |
| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 19:04 - Mar 4 by Swansea_Blue |
So MP’s are now taking note of our concerns on here, and are starting to ask the question.
Is Trump a Russian asset? https://www.politics.co.uk/news/2025/03/04/senior-conservative-mp-says-uk-must-c
It would certainly explain Trump’s behaviour, and there have long been concerns in that direction. Interesting, although it’s only a social media post. If they start mentioning it in the HoC, then just maybe there’s something to it. It sounds far-fetched, but who knows. |
these smears didn't work the first time round. in fact, the trump as a russian plant stuff may help explain why he has gone so far this time - he now sees both himself and putin as the victims of some weird conspiracy by his opponents. to be a 'russian asset', rather than just a very unpleasant and short-sighted fool on foreign policy, without real evidence just destroys the credibility of those who push the line. understanding what trump thinks he is achieving, however wrong he undoubtedly is, is a better route to go down than repeating the smears from 4 years ago. |  |
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| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 19:19 - Mar 4 with 897 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 19:17 - Mar 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The US are the only nation to have dropped nuclear bombs on Europe.
At the moment I think Trump is acting/speaking without thinking through all of the consequences. I am confident that any action the UK does or doesn't take will be fully thought through. |
He does what the fascists around him talk him into. | | | |
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| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 19:21 - Mar 4 with 873 views | lowhouseblue |
| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 19:17 - Mar 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The US are the only nation to have dropped nuclear bombs on Europe.
At the moment I think Trump is acting/speaking without thinking through all of the consequences. I am confident that any action the UK does or doesn't take will be fully thought through. |
"The US are the only nation to have dropped nuclear bombs on Europe."
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| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 19:23 - Mar 4 with 860 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 19:21 - Mar 4 by lowhouseblue |
"The US are the only nation to have dropped nuclear bombs on Europe."
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_incident
Surprised me when I first heard about it! | |
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| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 19:27 - Mar 4 with 831 views | lowhouseblue |
ok, but a bit misleading. | |
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| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 19:29 - Mar 4 with 820 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 19:27 - Mar 4 by lowhouseblue |
ok, but a bit misleading. |
Technically true and fairly unsurprising! | |
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| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 20:58 - Mar 4 with 714 views | DJR |
| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 19:04 - Mar 4 by Swansea_Blue |
So MP’s are now taking note of our concerns on here, and are starting to ask the question.
Is Trump a Russian asset? https://www.politics.co.uk/news/2025/03/04/senior-conservative-mp-says-uk-must-c
It would certainly explain Trump’s behaviour, and there have long been concerns in that direction. Interesting, although it’s only a social media post. If they start mentioning it in the HoC, then just maybe there’s something to it. It sounds far-fetched, but who knows. |
Claims like that strike me as being preposterous, and just the sort of misinformation that Trump is rightly criticised for.
On a related theme, James O'Brien the other day was saying something equally nonsensical, namely, that the Russians might have something on Trump, not accounting for the fact that many in MAGA including Vance share similar views to Trump in relation to Ukraine. [Post edited 4 Mar 21:01]
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| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 21:01 - Mar 4 with 687 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Incidents but neither actually releasing radiation. That report suggests it was fortunate that one of those did not. | |
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| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 21:05 - Mar 4 with 680 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 20:58 - Mar 4 by DJR |
Claims like that strike me as being preposterous, and just the sort of misinformation that Trump is rightly criticised for.
On a related theme, James O'Brien the other day was saying something equally nonsensical, namely, that the Russians might have something on Trump, not accounting for the fact that many in MAGA including Vance share similar views to Trump in relation to Ukraine. [Post edited 4 Mar 21:01]
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Don’t they just. Yet if you wanted to destabilise the West, you could do a lot worse than exactly what Trump’s doing.
It’s a story that keeps popping up, but the source (ex-KGB spy, Yuri Shvets) probably isn’t reliable.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former | |
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| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 21:06 - Mar 4 with 671 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
The important thing is for people to wake up to the fact Trump is doing exactly what Putin wants. It matters not a jot whether that is deliberate. It probably isn't. | |
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| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 21:46 - Mar 4 with 606 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Trump/MAGA alignment/appeasement to the Kremlin is becoming significant on 21:06 - Mar 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The important thing is for people to wake up to the fact Trump is doing exactly what Putin wants. It matters not a jot whether that is deliberate. It probably isn't. |
Yes, that’s probably the most important thing.
Ukraine is so simple that it’s impossible to be on the wrong side accidentally. Russia are the invaders. It’s that easy. For whatever reason, Trump is deliberately siding with Russia (for now). | |
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