| Good moves by the government on 13:49 - Mar 11 with 1898 views | blueasfook |
| Good moves by the government on 13:44 - Mar 11 by positivity |
repeating malicious lies wouldn't protect you in the eyes of the law i'm afraid!
just like repeating hitler's antisemitism and then doubling down on it wouldn't cover you |
"malicious lies" Oh dear. You do like to dramatise. Anyway, Phil rightly removed that post if it was inaccurate. When is he going to take down Badger's libel? |  |
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| Good moves by the government on 13:53 - Mar 11 with 1891 views | positivity |
| Good moves by the government on 13:49 - Mar 11 by blueasfook |
"malicious lies" Oh dear. You do like to dramatise. Anyway, Phil rightly removed that post if it was inaccurate. When is he going to take down Badger's libel? |
you seem to be the one melodramatising today!
your post is still there, still a lie, what website did you get it from btw? madeupraciststats.com? you've never revealed your "source"
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| Good moves by the government on 13:56 - Mar 11 with 1866 views | Guthrum |
| Good moves by the government on 10:49 - Mar 11 by textbackup |
You’d think in this day and age they could just send the electric via wifi ffs |
That was one of the things old Nicola Tesla was supposedly researching a century and more ago (tho it may actually have been long-range radio). He couldn't get it to work, however. Too much distance attenuation and problems with getting enough power.
You wouldn't want to be in the way of a misdirected megawatt microwave beam if something went wrong. Cooked! |  |
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| Good moves by the government on 14:02 - Mar 11 with 1858 views | blueasfook |
| Good moves by the government on 13:53 - Mar 11 by positivity |
you seem to be the one melodramatising today!
your post is still there, still a lie, what website did you get it from btw? madeupraciststats.com? you've never revealed your "source"
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it was from a Norway News website, and reporting on a statement made by a Norwegian Minister.
https://www.newsinenglish.no/2022/03/15/35000-refugees-expected-in-norway/
Now what website did Badger get the info that Matt Hancock is a criminal from? | |
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| Good moves by the government on 14:08 - Mar 11 with 1826 views | positivity |
ah, that's my usual go to website when i need reliable statistics too! no need to check further when you start with the gold standard!
what about "Norway welcomes refugees, just not brown ones." was that in the article or your own view? | |
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| Good moves by the government on 14:09 - Mar 11 with 1812 views | blueasfook |
| Good moves by the government on 14:08 - Mar 11 by positivity |
ah, that's my usual go to website when i need reliable statistics too! no need to check further when you start with the gold standard!
what about "Norway welcomes refugees, just not brown ones." was that in the article or your own view? |
Alright, calm down Rumpole of the Old Bailey. You're not in court now. Perhaps you'd like to represent Badger when he's defending libel charges though. | |
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| Good moves by the government on 14:12 - Mar 11 with 1797 views | positivity |
| Good moves by the government on 14:09 - Mar 11 by blueasfook |
Alright, calm down Rumpole of the Old Bailey. You're not in court now. Perhaps you'd like to represent Badger when he's defending libel charges though. |
if you have the trials on different days you could share a suit! | |
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| Good moves by the government on 14:16 - Mar 11 with 1777 views | blueasfook |
| Good moves by the government on 14:12 - Mar 11 by positivity |
if you have the trials on different days you could share a suit! |
Yep and Dollers could help us purchase one | |
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| Good moves by the government on 14:59 - Mar 11 with 1727 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Good moves by the government on 14:09 - Mar 11 by blueasfook |
Alright, calm down Rumpole of the Old Bailey. You're not in court now. Perhaps you'd like to represent Badger when he's defending libel charges though. |
So are you going to grass him up, or not?
Are you a grass, or not? | | | |
| Good moves by the government on 15:03 - Mar 11 with 1704 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Good moves by the government on 10:49 - Mar 11 by textbackup |
You’d think in this day and age they could just send the electric via wifi ffs |
This^
Or give everyone their own supply via nanobots in ‘vaccines’ (all controlled by Bill Gates, obviously). |  |
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| Good moves by the government on 15:21 - Mar 11 with 1672 views | PhilTWTD |
| Good moves by the government on 13:34 - Mar 11 by blueasfook |
You're wrong.
In the eyes of the law, the operator of a message board counts as a publisher, and thus is jointly liable for any illegal statements made by posters. Though in practice, yes is it usually the poster who is prosecuted. [Post edited 11 Mar 13:35]
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That's nonsense. We're not responsible for what people post on here. We have had to take very expensive legal representation on this in the past, so know the situation. It is a pain in the arse dealing with it though and it can work out expensive.
Not sure Matt Hancock would want matters relating to Covid raked over too much. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/26/a-timeline-of-matt-hancocks-con |  | | |
| Good moves by the government on 15:23 - Mar 11 with 1670 views | blueasfook |
| Good moves by the government on 15:21 - Mar 11 by PhilTWTD |
That's nonsense. We're not responsible for what people post on here. We have had to take very expensive legal representation on this in the past, so know the situation. It is a pain in the arse dealing with it though and it can work out expensive.
Not sure Matt Hancock would want matters relating to Covid raked over too much. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/26/a-timeline-of-matt-hancocks-con |
So you're happy with people being libelled as criminals when they are not? I am no fan of Hancock but I am no fan of unwarranted libel either. | |
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| Good moves by the government on 15:24 - Mar 11 with 1653 views | blueasfook |
| Good moves by the government on 14:59 - Mar 11 by ArnoldMoorhen |
So are you going to grass him up, or not?
Are you a grass, or not? |
No, I said you posted it instead. | |
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| Good moves by the government on 18:23 - Mar 11 with 1565 views | DJR |
| Good moves by the government on 10:40 - Mar 11 by DJR |
The Guardian reported this yesterday which seems to me to be an attack on the disabled and those not able to work.
"The radical package of reforms will see:
-£5bn in savings by making it harder to qualify for Personal Independence Payments - a benefit not linked to work that is meant to help people with the additional costs of their disability
-Further savings by freezing PIP payments next year, so they do not rise with inflation
-Raising the basic rate for Universal Credit paid to those searching for work, or in work, while cutting the rate for those who are judged as unfit for work."
This is the reaction of charities for the disabled and the like.
Sixteen leading disability and welfare charities have written an open letter to Rachel Reeves, the chancellor, expressing alarm at reports that the government is planning to cut PIP (personal independent payments – a disability benefit) by up to £5bn. (See 12.51pm.) They say the impact of the proposed cuts could be “devastating”, pushing up to 700,000 disabled households into poverty.
In the letter, Mark Hodgkinson, chief executive of Scope, and the other charities leaders say:
Disability benefits such as Personal Independence Payments (PIP) and the limited capability for work amount, can be a lifeline for disabled households and can enable people who receive PIP to work. Making cuts to disability benefits would have a catastrophic impact on disabled people up and down the country. Scope’s analysis of government figures shows that without PIP, a further 700,000 more disabled households could be pushed into poverty. Life costs more for disabled people. Huge numbers already live in poverty as a result of these extra costs. The impact of any cuts to disability benefits would be devastating.
We agree with the government’s ambition to support more disabled people into work. However, making cuts to disability benefits will not achieve this goal or fix the system. In fact, there is little evidence to suggest cutting benefits increases employment outcomes. We know the benefits system is broken and needs reform. That there are disabled people out of work who want to work given the right support. And for some disabled people work isn’t appropriate. Changes to welfare must start here. Not with cuts.
The other organisations that have signed the letter are: Inclusion Barnet; National Autistic Society; Thomas Pocklington Trust; Citizens Advice; Sense; Mencap; Disability Rights UK; RNIB; MS Society; Joseph Rowntree Foundation; Mind; Turn2Us; Z2K; Trussell; and Parkinsons UK. [Post edited 11 Mar 10:45]
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A couple of more things following on from this post.
This a comment from below the line in the Guardian.
"I had trouble sleeping last night after reading about Labour's proposed disability cuts. I'm not disabled but my daughter is and I worry so much for her in this increasingly cruel world. Thanks to all those btl today who took the time to express similar outrage to how I feel, it is somewhat comforting."
And in an article in the I, John McTernan (political secretary to Tony Blair) said that the government was “foolishly and dangerously confusing the categories of long-term sickness and disability” with “no coherent case for change”. |  | | |
| Good moves by the government on 19:24 - Mar 11 with 1511 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Good moves by the government on 11:14 - Mar 11 by Blueschev |
It was on Nick Ferrari's show, so your scepticism is well warranted. |
It seems The National Grid are reluctant to share their cost findings after it has been suggested that long term there is no difference in the cost of overground and underground.
After a quick google it also seems that underground lines are preferred in Europe and are the norm in Germany.
Wash your own brains baby! [Post edited 11 Mar 19:25]
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| Good moves by the government on 20:40 - Mar 11 with 1476 views | DJR |
| Good moves by the government on 19:24 - Mar 11 by Lord_Lucan |
It seems The National Grid are reluctant to share their cost findings after it has been suggested that long term there is no difference in the cost of overground and underground.
After a quick google it also seems that underground lines are preferred in Europe and are the norm in Germany.
Wash your own brains baby! [Post edited 11 Mar 19:25]
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As regards Germany, I did come across this.
https://www.dw.com/en/german-cabinet-opts-for-underground-power-cabling/a-187659
"Wednesday's decision by ministers to opt for the main north-south trunk of 1,000 kilometer s (620 miles) of thick direct-current cable follows bitter resistance to overhead cabling led by Bavarian Premier Horst Seehofer.
Cabinet sources quoted by Reuters said the extra costs of going underground were justified because of costly legal resistance put up by citizens' groups."
And this is what Wikipedia says.
Undergrounding is more expensive, since the cost of burying cables at transmission voltages is several times greater than overhead power lines, and the life-cycle cost of an underground power cable is two to four times the cost of an overhead power line. In highly urbanized areas, the cost of underground transmission can be 10–14 times as expensive as overhead.
Whereas finding and repairing overhead wire breaks can be accomplished in hours, underground repairs can take days or weeks,[13] and for this reason redundant lines are run. | | | |
| Good moves by the government on 20:46 - Mar 11 with 1457 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Good moves by the government on 20:40 - Mar 11 by DJR |
As regards Germany, I did come across this.
https://www.dw.com/en/german-cabinet-opts-for-underground-power-cabling/a-187659
"Wednesday's decision by ministers to opt for the main north-south trunk of 1,000 kilometer s (620 miles) of thick direct-current cable follows bitter resistance to overhead cabling led by Bavarian Premier Horst Seehofer.
Cabinet sources quoted by Reuters said the extra costs of going underground were justified because of costly legal resistance put up by citizens' groups."
And this is what Wikipedia says.
Undergrounding is more expensive, since the cost of burying cables at transmission voltages is several times greater than overhead power lines, and the life-cycle cost of an underground power cable is two to four times the cost of an overhead power line. In highly urbanized areas, the cost of underground transmission can be 10–14 times as expensive as overhead.
Whereas finding and repairing overhead wire breaks can be accomplished in hours, underground repairs can take days or weeks,[13] and for this reason redundant lines are run. |
Eventually everything will be underground.
Sod the cost, any gov who opts for pylons right now is ignorant.........
........and in anycase, it's not all about cost, or at least it shouldn't be.
Waiting for the worms baby! | |
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| Good moves by the government on 20:57 - Mar 11 with 1444 views | DJR |
This article is brilliant.
"Labour used to give the needy the benefit of the doubt. Now they slash their benefits
It’s no wonder many people on welfare are starting to look back on the last government with affection"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/11/labour-used-to-give-the-needy-t
We live in confusing times. There was a time when it was easy to spot clear blue water between the main political parties. Increasingly, though, you’d be hard pushed to differentiate between Labour, the Conservatives and Reform. Especially when it comes to matters of welfare and social justice. Some Labour backbenchers must be wondering what the hell is going on, given the things they are now expected to justify. Their consciences are frazzled. Is this really what they entered parliament for?
Time was when a Labour government could be relied on to give the benefit of the doubt to the poorest and most needy members of society. It’s the ticket on which they were elected. Only not so much these days. Now that things have temporarily quietened down on the Trump-Ukraine-Russia front, Keir Starmer has been drip feeding the media with his planned cuts to disability and out-of-work benefits.
And it’s not good news if you rely on state support to get by. Because the presumption of innocence is changing. The assumption is now that you’re a slacker trying to cheat the system. Someone wangling to get the state to pay for their Netflix subscription because of some hyper-woke imaginary complaint that prevents them from being ars*d to leave the house to go to work. Better that 700,000 disabled people are pushed into poverty than one scrounger gets away with a life of free-rolling. It’s God’s work. What Jesus would have wanted.
And don’t give us all that long Covid bullsh*t. We all know that you’re just terminally lazy. Tough choices for tough times. So it’s time for people to get on their hands and knees and crawl if necessary to do the jobs that no one in the cabinet would dream of doing for a second. All to neutralise the siren voices of those on the far right. Redemption is a very last-year ideal for Starmer.
The only excuse Labour is offering is sophisticated dialectics. Only Labour can be trusted to slash the welfare bill because they are the party for whom it raises a few moral qualms. Though not nearly enough. No wonder, then, many on benefits are looking back on the last Tory government with affection. They may have talked a tough game but they never got round to radically changing anything. Too lazy themselves.
Much the same could be said of the justice system. On Tuesday morning, the Commons was more than half full for justice departmental questions. And you would have been hard pushed to find a single MP who wasn’t keen to bang someone up for some crime or other. Thought crimes would do these days. In fact, they are probably the worst. Deserving of a full-life tariff at the minimum.
The justice secretary and lord chancellor, Shabana Mahmood, captured the zeitgeist. “We need to make sure that we never run out of prison places,” she said. “You have my word that there will always be a prison place for everyone.”
There we had it. She wouldn’t rest until the entire population of the United Kingdom had been sent down. Never mind the pretext. Only once everyone was in prison could we be sure the country was properly safe. The only flaw in her argument was that she couldn’t say who would be left to maintain the prisons. Or what she would find herself inside for. | | | |
| Good moves by the government on 23:04 - Mar 11 with 1384 views | Leaky |
| Good moves by the government on 11:38 - Mar 11 by DJR |
Was that the person who advised tunnelling for HS2?
I also came across this from a document produced by the National Grid.
A report concluded that
underground cables are always more expensive
when compared to equivalent overhead lines.
A major element of this cost differential is
accounted for by the cable itself. The underground
conductor has to be bigger than its overhead
counterpart to reduce its electrical resistance
and hence the heat produced. The requirement
to properly insulate, while at the same time
maintaining the cable’s rating, means that special
insulation is needed.
Generally, tunnel installation
costs more than direct burial; however, civil
engineering costs for all methods of cable
installation are considerable compared to those
of an overhead line [Post edited 11 Mar 11:39]
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Although underground cables should lead to less maintenance as they shouldn't be affected by storms |  | | |
| Good moves by the government on 15:32 - Mar 12 with 1216 views | DJR |
| Good moves by the government on 23:04 - Mar 11 by Leaky |
Although underground cables should lead to less maintenance as they shouldn't be affected by storms |
That is certainly true. | | | |
| Good moves by the government on 17:08 - Mar 13 with 1049 views | mutters |
| Good moves by the government on 15:21 - Mar 11 by PhilTWTD |
That's nonsense. We're not responsible for what people post on here. We have had to take very expensive legal representation on this in the past, so know the situation. It is a pain in the arse dealing with it though and it can work out expensive.
Not sure Matt Hancock would want matters relating to Covid raked over too much. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/26/a-timeline-of-matt-hancocks-con |
If you are not liable for what people post here, why have you asked in the past for people not to copy and paste from other articles verbatim? I was under the impression that would make you liable for a breach of copyright. |  |
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| Good moves by the government on 17:41 - Mar 14 with 816 views | DJR |
| Good moves by the government on 18:23 - Mar 11 by DJR |
A couple of more things following on from this post.
This a comment from below the line in the Guardian.
"I had trouble sleeping last night after reading about Labour's proposed disability cuts. I'm not disabled but my daughter is and I worry so much for her in this increasingly cruel world. Thanks to all those btl today who took the time to express similar outrage to how I feel, it is somewhat comforting."
And in an article in the I, John McTernan (political secretary to Tony Blair) said that the government was “foolishly and dangerously confusing the categories of long-term sickness and disability” with “no coherent case for change”. |
Interesting item in the Guardian on the disability cuts front.
DWP accused by expert of making false claims about rise in claims for top rate of universal credit for sick/disabled
Yesterday the Department for Work and Pensions put out press notice about the large rise in the number of claiming the top rate of universal credit for people with sickness or a disability. I covered it on the blog here and here is the full press release is here. It included the claim:
The number [of people in this category] has almost quadrupled since the start of the pandemic when 360,000 people were considered too sick to look for work – a 383% rise in less than five years. In the last year alone, the number has risen by from 1.4 million people to 1.8 million.
Iain Porter, a senior policy adviser at the Joseph Rowntree Foundation thinktank, calims this is highly misleading. He has explained why in a thread on social media.
Yesterday, a Government press release claimed the number of people “considered too sick to work” had “quadrupled” since the pandemic (a “383% rise”). This is incorrect. In fact, it’s not even close. It’s more like 40%. This thread explains why
The press release ignores that Universal Credit was still early in rollout pre-pandemic, so starts from a very low number. It ignores equivalent group in the legacy ESA benefit that UC is replacing. You can’t compare UC LCWRA over time without including the equivalent ESA. 2/7
This same DWP statistical analysis also shows that the unexplained rise over this period is actually nearer 30% after accounting for rise in State Pension Age, demographic changes and structural differences between UC and ESA: 4/7
Disabled people are really worried about how these proposed changes will affect them. We know half of people receiving these benefits are unable to afford enough food, to heat home, or pay bills. That’s why it’s so important Govt sticks to the facts and avoids misleading. 6/7
We will have to wait to see the Green Paper to see what exactly happens. But what we know for certain now is that people should take what they’re reading with a pinch of salt. 7/7 | | | |
| Good moves by the government on 18:11 - Mar 14 with 796 views | vilanovablue |
But there is no solid evidence to that. Everyone talks about the rich leaving in droves if tax goes up but even in the 70s when it was significantly higher tax the stats just don't back it up. |  | | |
| Good moves by the government on 18:40 - Mar 14 with 777 views | mellowblue |
| Good moves by the government on 18:11 - Mar 14 by vilanovablue |
But there is no solid evidence to that. Everyone talks about the rich leaving in droves if tax goes up but even in the 70s when it was significantly higher tax the stats just don't back it up. |
a problem with the Norwegian wealth tax is often the assets are tied up in business, often investment that has not started to develop profit. And the wealth tax is being paid out of taxed personal income so you are effectively being taxed twice. The Norwegians have also raised dividend tax which exacerbates the situation. | | | |
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