| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but 15:57 - Mar 15 with 4681 views | FromReuserWithLove |
let's not ignore Davis offering him zero protection again and Woolf totally fluffing that first contact for their second. The defending has been criminal this season and McKenna has really struggled with finding a balance. We're so far of it and have been getting worse despite the nonsense that we're improving. |  | | |  |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 15:58 - Mar 15 with 3751 views | Woolfenthen |
Davis is truly shocking at this level, looks lost |  | | |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 16:01 - Mar 15 with 3681 views | Radlett_blue |
Exactly this. We aren't learning at all, simply continuing to concede softer & softer goals. Also the ball lost easily too often in forward positions with players not being on the same wavelength as each other. It hasn't helped that Delap is having his worst game of the season so far.
Assuming Wolves win today it's pretty much over & we should start planning for next season. |  |
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| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 16:01 - Mar 15 with 3680 views | RedX |
Davis has been poor all season. Townsend should have held his spot when he came in. |  | | |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 16:02 - Mar 15 with 3667 views | DavoIPB |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 15:58 - Mar 15 by Woolfenthen |
Davis is truly shocking at this level, looks lost |
Just marked out of the game. He doesn't have the ability to go past the defender, hasn't really got a footballing brain when it comes to linking up with team mates. |  | | |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 16:04 - Mar 15 with 3618 views | StokieBlue |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 15:58 - Mar 15 by Woolfenthen |
Davis is truly shocking at this level, looks lost |
He's clearly being told to get forward and overload the left. He was one of the 55 spoken to by Tuchel so clearly he's not seen as shocking.
We are perhaps not good enough to play with him playing that way though.
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| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 16:05 - Mar 15 with 3611 views | BlueBoots |
Enough for KMcK to get the shepherd's crook out at HT... |  |
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| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 16:11 - Mar 15 with 3534 views | TractorWood |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 16:04 - Mar 15 by StokieBlue |
He's clearly being told to get forward and overload the left. He was one of the 55 spoken to by Tuchel so clearly he's not seen as shocking.
We are perhaps not good enough to play with him playing that way though.
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He'd do well at a club where he has less need to cover.
He has never been good defensively. |  |
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| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 16:12 - Mar 15 with 3524 views | tcblue |
Yeah I don't need to see Davis and Greaves on the same teamsheet again this season | | | |
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| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 16:13 - Mar 15 with 3491 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 16:04 - Mar 15 by StokieBlue |
He's clearly being told to get forward and overload the left. He was one of the 55 spoken to by Tuchel so clearly he's not seen as shocking.
We are perhaps not good enough to play with him playing that way though.
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Which you'd imagine is why any prem club who'd play a Davis would play with 3 at the back whilst doing so. |  |
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| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 16:19 - Mar 15 with 3458 views | itfc_statman |
Without wanting to be rude, bar a one month spell every statistical or analytical piece of data has made it abundantly clear we are at best the second worst team in the league. I figured it was just people's emotions that made them argue that fact with me | | | |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 16:32 - Mar 15 with 3354 views | Smoresy |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 16:19 - Mar 15 by itfc_statman |
Without wanting to be rude, bar a one month spell every statistical or analytical piece of data has made it abundantly clear we are at best the second worst team in the league. I figured it was just people's emotions that made them argue that fact with me |
Are there not good arguments to point to us being third worst? | | | |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 09:45 - Mar 16 with 3062 views | itfc_statman |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 16:32 - Mar 15 by Smoresy |
Are there not good arguments to point to us being third worst? |
Only one, really. | | | |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 09:48 - Mar 16 with 3020 views | Herbivore |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 09:45 - Mar 16 by itfc_statman |
Only one, really. |
The xG table has us as the third worst side in terms of xG difference ( https://footystats.org/england/premier-league/xg), so that's at least two stats that have us third worst, including the only one that actually counts. |  |
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| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 09:51 - Mar 16 with 2978 views | itfc_statman |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 09:48 - Mar 16 by Herbivore |
The xG table has us as the third worst side in terms of xG difference ( https://footystats.org/england/premier-league/xg), so that's at least two stats that have us third worst, including the only one that actually counts. |
Again, no, because you're using a completely unsubstantiated xG source. Footystats has one of the worst reputations as a free data source.
The best "free" source that retrieves data from Opta and their paid data that the clubs use, alongside their own, has us the second worst xGD. That's FBRef.
You ignored this last time we discussed and I provided screenshots that demonstrated.
Our xGD/90 is poorer than most relegated sides over the past few years. It's clear as day we are miles off. | | | |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 09:52 - Mar 16 with 2975 views | itfctilidie |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 16:04 - Mar 15 by StokieBlue |
He's clearly being told to get forward and overload the left. He was one of the 55 spoken to by Tuchel so clearly he's not seen as shocking.
We are perhaps not good enough to play with him playing that way though.
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And you know this how? I highly doubt it myself, unless he was asking for someone elses phone number. |  | | |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 09:53 - Mar 16 with 2955 views | BlueOura |
If we wanted to play with Leif that high up the pitch in the prem then we needed an athletic and pacy left sided centre back who could cover that side of the pitch, instead we got Greaves. |  | | |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 09:56 - Mar 16 with 2906 views | Herbivore |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 09:51 - Mar 16 by itfc_statman |
Again, no, because you're using a completely unsubstantiated xG source. Footystats has one of the worst reputations as a free data source.
The best "free" source that retrieves data from Opta and their paid data that the clubs use, alongside their own, has us the second worst xGD. That's FBRef.
You ignored this last time we discussed and I provided screenshots that demonstrated.
Our xGD/90 is poorer than most relegated sides over the past few years. It's clear as day we are miles off. |
I mean, it's a made up stat so a pissing over contest over who is better at making it up isn't the flex you think it is. | |
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| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 10:00 - Mar 16 with 2861 views | itfc_statman |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 09:56 - Mar 16 by Herbivore |
I mean, it's a made up stat so a pissing over contest over who is better at making it up isn't the flex you think it is. |
If you don't understand the value of the data clubs are paying millions for every year then that's on you and I don't have the time to explain it.
xG is ultimately what was behind Brentfords success. If only our club took it as seriously. | | | |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 10:05 - Mar 16 with 2812 views | Herbivore |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 10:00 - Mar 16 by itfc_statman |
If you don't understand the value of the data clubs are paying millions for every year then that's on you and I don't have the time to explain it.
xG is ultimately what was behind Brentfords success. If only our club took it as seriously. |
They aren't paying millions just for team xG data though are they? And it's a massive leap to suggest that team xG stats are behind Brentford's success, would be interested to see you back that statement up. | |
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| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 10:06 - Mar 16 with 2790 views | itfc_statman |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 10:05 - Mar 16 by Herbivore |
They aren't paying millions just for team xG data though are they? And it's a massive leap to suggest that team xG stats are behind Brentford's success, would be interested to see you back that statement up. |
In more ways than one. Read the xG Philosophy book if you're bored enough (it's actually a good read). | | | |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 10:07 - Mar 16 with 2788 views | textbackup |
I think it’s safe to assume Davis will be here next season, no PL team is coming for him |  |
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| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 10:25 - Mar 16 with 2674 views | _clive_baker_ |
The issue Davis has for me is he’s playing in a team that’s largely been dominated most weeks. His USP is his extreme levels of fitness and he’s rapid, the speed of his recovery running. Apparently he’s also got completely unique and freakish levels of ‘elastic’ muscular energy. Someone I know played with him and reckons one snowy training day he lobbed a snowball further than he’s ever seen anyone throw anything. Not particularly helpful at left back admittedly, but he’s a physical freak. He’s obviously a good footballer too, but most of what made him so effective last season isn’t going to be true of a side with 35% possession, on the back foot, and with far fewer entries into the opposition 3rd. We saw it last season in those games where we didn’t dominate (Leeds away for example), he’s not the best positionally or defensively but if he was he wouldn’t be playing for us. Strikes me as the sort of player who flourishes in a dominant side but certainly not the solid 1 v 1 defender like Axel on the other side.
I think he’ll find his mojo again if he stays next season and the prospect of him, Clarke, Omari, Philogene, Chaplin, Burns, Szmodics etc at that level and with a years worth of premier league experience behind them is exciting. Even if we keep 80% of the squad together.
Greaves has annoyed me. I’m sure there’s a player in there but I’ve not really seen any evidence he’s any better than Burgess tbh. There’s a few where if we could get our money back or close to our money back on them and get them off the wage bill I’d take it. Greaves, probably Johnson given his reported salary (although I do quite like him), Muric. Delap probably to the highest bidder, for different reasons.
I think some of the criticism of McKenna is valid. He obviously has his principles, but at times has felt stubborn this season. Naive at times. That said the best thing we could do is stick with him and let him shape this squad for next season. We’ve got a lot of talent relative to championship levels, the step down in quality is frightening. He’s done it before, he can do it again. Hopefully IF we were to get promoted back we could do so from a higher base and with a bit of muscle memory and learnings from this time around. |  | | |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 10:39 - Mar 16 with 2630 views | Herbivore |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 10:06 - Mar 16 by itfc_statman |
In more ways than one. Read the xG Philosophy book if you're bored enough (it's actually a good read). |
I can't imagine being THAT bored. | |
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| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 10:51 - Mar 16 with 2562 views | BlueOura |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 10:25 - Mar 16 by _clive_baker_ |
The issue Davis has for me is he’s playing in a team that’s largely been dominated most weeks. His USP is his extreme levels of fitness and he’s rapid, the speed of his recovery running. Apparently he’s also got completely unique and freakish levels of ‘elastic’ muscular energy. Someone I know played with him and reckons one snowy training day he lobbed a snowball further than he’s ever seen anyone throw anything. Not particularly helpful at left back admittedly, but he’s a physical freak. He’s obviously a good footballer too, but most of what made him so effective last season isn’t going to be true of a side with 35% possession, on the back foot, and with far fewer entries into the opposition 3rd. We saw it last season in those games where we didn’t dominate (Leeds away for example), he’s not the best positionally or defensively but if he was he wouldn’t be playing for us. Strikes me as the sort of player who flourishes in a dominant side but certainly not the solid 1 v 1 defender like Axel on the other side.
I think he’ll find his mojo again if he stays next season and the prospect of him, Clarke, Omari, Philogene, Chaplin, Burns, Szmodics etc at that level and with a years worth of premier league experience behind them is exciting. Even if we keep 80% of the squad together.
Greaves has annoyed me. I’m sure there’s a player in there but I’ve not really seen any evidence he’s any better than Burgess tbh. There’s a few where if we could get our money back or close to our money back on them and get them off the wage bill I’d take it. Greaves, probably Johnson given his reported salary (although I do quite like him), Muric. Delap probably to the highest bidder, for different reasons.
I think some of the criticism of McKenna is valid. He obviously has his principles, but at times has felt stubborn this season. Naive at times. That said the best thing we could do is stick with him and let him shape this squad for next season. We’ve got a lot of talent relative to championship levels, the step down in quality is frightening. He’s done it before, he can do it again. Hopefully IF we were to get promoted back we could do so from a higher base and with a bit of muscle memory and learnings from this time around. |
I think your 1st paragraph is spot on re. Davis which makes it all the more baffling that we haven't adapted his game to be a little more conservative in the prem. It is clearly not working as his attacking numbers are way down, and yet KM stubbornly persists with it, costing us goals at the other end. | | | |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 10:58 - Mar 16 with 2521 views | itfc_statman |
| Greaves getting pelters and rightly so but on 10:39 - Mar 16 by Herbivore |
I can't imagine being THAT bored. |
Just go to a couple more of our home games. That should do it. | | | |
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