| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere 18:21 - Mar 23 with 7476 views | vapour_trail |
Doesn’t stand up to adversity wry well does it. Reckon you could hear a paper aeroplane land on that turf right now. |  |
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| Go back to bed mate. (n/t) on 10:34 - Mar 24 with 1807 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Go back to bed mate. (n/t) on 10:01 - Mar 24 by gordon |
Sorry mate, you're just defending racism. |
If you are a Scot then I accept your point.
Personally I wouldn't use it.
Well, I might with a Scot I know and whilst out of earshot. I think if I used it with a stranger it would be seen as antagonistic.
To call it racism though is the thing that I believes underlines my reason for saying that this is why we have The Donald, and I strongly believe this.
It also softens the word "Racism"
I suppose we also differ because I wouldn't be the slightest bit offended if referred to as a Sassenach. In fact I would think it as a term of endearment as someone has thought me worthy of individual comment. |  |
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| Just for clarity…. on 10:58 - Mar 24 with 1740 views | gordon |
| Just for clarity…. on 10:29 - Mar 24 by farkenhell |
I don't think that the posters who used those terms intended them to be demeaning, derogatory or insulting. I read them as throwaway slang. However, both you and bluebud have explained why see them as unacceptable and I am grateful for the explanations. |
The context is that when English people use throwaway slang to insult the inhabitants of countries that historically the English have exploited, colonised, and subjugated, it is rarely perceived as just a joke or witty banter by the target of the insult.
There are various examples of these types of terms - many which were once in mainstream use, but which none of us would now consider remotely acceptable.
The fact that lots of English people are ignorant of their own history, or are surprised that people consider these terms racist is not a great excuse for using racist slurs - our understanding of what it means to use words like p*k* went through a similar process 30/40 years ago.
And if white people vote for Trump because they are upset that they can't be casually racist anymore without being challenged, then that doesn't mean we should tolerate racism in society, or on our message board. [Post edited 24 Mar 10:58]
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| Go back to bed mate. (n/t) on 10:58 - Mar 24 with 1739 views | DJR |
| Go back to bed mate. (n/t) on 10:34 - Mar 24 by Lord_Lucan |
If you are a Scot then I accept your point.
Personally I wouldn't use it.
Well, I might with a Scot I know and whilst out of earshot. I think if I used it with a stranger it would be seen as antagonistic.
To call it racism though is the thing that I believes underlines my reason for saying that this is why we have The Donald, and I strongly believe this.
It also softens the word "Racism"
I suppose we also differ because I wouldn't be the slightest bit offended if referred to as a Sassenach. In fact I would think it as a term of endearment as someone has thought me worthy of individual comment. |
Interestingly, Sassenach derives from the Gaelic word for Saxon, and when first used as a loan word meant both English people and Scottish lowlanders.
In the 20th Century, it came to be used only to describe English people. [Post edited 24 Mar 11:02]
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| Just for clarity…. on 11:15 - Mar 24 with 1680 views | bluebud |
| Just for clarity…. on 10:29 - Mar 24 by farkenhell |
I don't think that the posters who used those terms intended them to be demeaning, derogatory or insulting. I read them as throwaway slang. However, both you and bluebud have explained why see them as unacceptable and I am grateful for the explanations. |
Thank you, have a good day and week |  | | |
| Just for clarity…. on 11:25 - Mar 24 with 1646 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Just for clarity…. on 10:58 - Mar 24 by gordon |
The context is that when English people use throwaway slang to insult the inhabitants of countries that historically the English have exploited, colonised, and subjugated, it is rarely perceived as just a joke or witty banter by the target of the insult.
There are various examples of these types of terms - many which were once in mainstream use, but which none of us would now consider remotely acceptable.
The fact that lots of English people are ignorant of their own history, or are surprised that people consider these terms racist is not a great excuse for using racist slurs - our understanding of what it means to use words like p*k* went through a similar process 30/40 years ago.
And if white people vote for Trump because they are upset that they can't be casually racist anymore without being challenged, then that doesn't mean we should tolerate racism in society, or on our message board. [Post edited 24 Mar 10:58]
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Why bring "White people" into it?
Who mentioned "White people?" | |
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| Just for clarity…. on 12:15 - Mar 24 with 1599 views | bluebud |
| Just for clarity…. on 11:25 - Mar 24 by Lord_Lucan |
Why bring "White people" into it?
Who mentioned "White people?" |
You inferred that exact point. You mentioned that Trump was voted in because people stopped accepting getting abused from bullies who don't understand the modern world.....an excellent example being you.
I mean you did find the time to call me a "Barmpot" as well. You obviously thought that was cool and edgy and everyone would be rolling around in laughter.
It's not, it's dusty, analogue and from last century much like your attitude and opinion. | | | |
| Just for clarity…. on 12:37 - Mar 24 with 1568 views | leitrimblue |
| Just for clarity…. on 10:58 - Mar 24 by gordon |
The context is that when English people use throwaway slang to insult the inhabitants of countries that historically the English have exploited, colonised, and subjugated, it is rarely perceived as just a joke or witty banter by the target of the insult.
There are various examples of these types of terms - many which were once in mainstream use, but which none of us would now consider remotely acceptable.
The fact that lots of English people are ignorant of their own history, or are surprised that people consider these terms racist is not a great excuse for using racist slurs - our understanding of what it means to use words like p*k* went through a similar process 30/40 years ago.
And if white people vote for Trump because they are upset that they can't be casually racist anymore without being challenged, then that doesn't mean we should tolerate racism in society, or on our message board. [Post edited 24 Mar 10:58]
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I'm sorta English, and live in the North West of Ireland not far from the border with Northern Ireland. The Brit/Irish banter is one of the few things that gets me outta bed an off to work in the morning. It's a thing of beauty.
Really all we are doing is listing and exaggerating cultural stereotypes for the craic. I don't think I've ever been offended by any of it in over 20 years. |  | | |
| Just for clarity…. on 13:18 - Mar 24 with 1516 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Just for clarity…. on 12:15 - Mar 24 by bluebud |
You inferred that exact point. You mentioned that Trump was voted in because people stopped accepting getting abused from bullies who don't understand the modern world.....an excellent example being you.
I mean you did find the time to call me a "Barmpot" as well. You obviously thought that was cool and edgy and everyone would be rolling around in laughter.
It's not, it's dusty, analogue and from last century much like your attitude and opinion. |
You continue to misunderstand at a greater level with each post.
Trump did not get in just because of white votes. This is something that people should get into their head if they are not going to keep making the same mistakes.
"The largest shifts in support were seen among men, particularly men of color. Donald Trump won the vote of Hispanic men by one point (49 percent Harris – 50 percent Trump), a 35-point difference from 2020, when Joe Biden won the vote of Hispanic men by a 34-point margin. Similarly, there was a 35-point difference in how Black men voted in 2024 compared to 2020. While Black men voted for Harris in 2024 by a 47-point margin (71 percent Harris – 24 percent Trump), it was significantly less than Biden who won the vote of Black men by an 82-point margin over Trump in 2020. White men also moved toward Trump by 5 points (net +23; 37 percent Harris – 60 percent Trump), compared to his margin of 18 points in 2020 (40 percent Harris – 58 percent Trump)" | |
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| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 13:36 - Mar 24 with 1483 views | Trequartista |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 08:36 - Mar 24 by gordon |
Think it's pretty embarrassing and cringeworthy to have casual racism on the site in this day and age - the thread title ought to be changed. |
Why are you bringing race into it? Scotland is not a race. |  |
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| Just for clarity…. on 13:58 - Mar 24 with 1431 views | bluebud |
| Just for clarity…. on 13:18 - Mar 24 by Lord_Lucan |
You continue to misunderstand at a greater level with each post.
Trump did not get in just because of white votes. This is something that people should get into their head if they are not going to keep making the same mistakes.
"The largest shifts in support were seen among men, particularly men of color. Donald Trump won the vote of Hispanic men by one point (49 percent Harris – 50 percent Trump), a 35-point difference from 2020, when Joe Biden won the vote of Hispanic men by a 34-point margin. Similarly, there was a 35-point difference in how Black men voted in 2024 compared to 2020. While Black men voted for Harris in 2024 by a 47-point margin (71 percent Harris – 24 percent Trump), it was significantly less than Biden who won the vote of Black men by an 82-point margin over Trump in 2020. White men also moved toward Trump by 5 points (net +23; 37 percent Harris – 60 percent Trump), compared to his margin of 18 points in 2020 (40 percent Harris – 58 percent Trump)" |
Cool story bro.
Never mentioned any of the forum distraction techniques you use so I haven't misunderstood anything. You mentioned Trump, I didn't and it's totally unconnected to the topic which was totally about the UK.
If I keep posting will you eventually mention Hitler or me being a nazi or fascist or something to do with Palestine or Zionism?
Get a grip of yourself man - you post on here so much you obviously can't see the woods for the trees.
I don't like being called a sweatie or sweaty, millions of Scottish people don't either, I don't like reading it and it's totally out of order. Stop doing it or if you don't, please stop trying to justify it. You're not Scottish, you don't understand and you've never been called it so you have no idea what you are talking about. | | | |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 14:05 - Mar 24 with 1416 views | bluebud |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 14:00 - Mar 24 by dissboy2 |
don't see why you should be taking the flak for op who's not returned to his or her thread though |
Because he initially expanded on it and gave the full definiton then edited it. | | | |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 14:12 - Mar 24 with 1396 views | dissboy2 |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 14:05 - Mar 24 by bluebud |
Because he initially expanded on it and gave the full definiton then edited it. |
hardly a crime to use the word uncool and I thought him saying the unedited op wasnt great was something you'd agree with |  | | |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 14:18 - Mar 24 with 1371 views | bluebud |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 14:12 - Mar 24 by dissboy2 |
hardly a crime to use the word uncool and I thought him saying the unedited op wasnt great was something you'd agree with |
He edited to "uncool" from "sweaty socks = Jocks "
fwiw, I don't have a problem woth this particular poster as he now understands, hence his edit but there are others who seemingly think it's cool and trying to justify it | | | |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 14:29 - Mar 24 with 1351 views | JakeITFC |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 14:18 - Mar 24 by bluebud |
He edited to "uncool" from "sweaty socks = Jocks "
fwiw, I don't have a problem woth this particular poster as he now understands, hence his edit but there are others who seemingly think it's cool and trying to justify it |
Not trying to re-open the argument, but would you consider being called a Jock offensive? Perhaps more accurately is it wrong to talk about the Scottish in general (football/rugby team, army etc.) as jocks? |  | | |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 14:53 - Mar 24 with 1302 views | _clive_baker_ |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 10:10 - Mar 24 by bluebud |
Thank you.
It's just very unpleasant. I'm not grandstanding or making a culture war gotcha moment. I've been directly affected at work countless times and it's just bullying and very unkind. To see it written on here is just backward as well as the posters thinking it's cool or I'm eroding their rights........not one of them would say it to my face, I'm sure of that. |
I wouldn't if you look anything like your profile picture. |  | | |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 15:20 - Mar 24 with 1246 views | DJR |
A few observations-
1. The Scots are recognised as a separate ethnic group for the purposes of the definition of racial group which applies in relation various race hate crimes. They also come within the definition of race for the purposes of the Equality Act.
2. The use of "sweaties" in this thread would not amount to a criminal offence.
3. Banter amongst consenting adults is fine.
4. Banter can sometimes stray into bullying if the person on the end of it doesn't want it.
5. One of the posters on here has expressed their strong objection to the use of the term "sweaties".
6. TWTD's terms and conditions state "Please respect your fellow posters", so I would suggest people respect that fellow poster and not argue the toss. [Post edited 24 Mar 15:22]
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| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 15:31 - Mar 24 with 1198 views | Trequartista |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 15:20 - Mar 24 by DJR |
A few observations-
1. The Scots are recognised as a separate ethnic group for the purposes of the definition of racial group which applies in relation various race hate crimes. They also come within the definition of race for the purposes of the Equality Act.
2. The use of "sweaties" in this thread would not amount to a criminal offence.
3. Banter amongst consenting adults is fine.
4. Banter can sometimes stray into bullying if the person on the end of it doesn't want it.
5. One of the posters on here has expressed their strong objection to the use of the term "sweaties".
6. TWTD's terms and conditions state "Please respect your fellow posters", so I would suggest people respect that fellow poster and not argue the toss. [Post edited 24 Mar 15:22]
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So Humza Yousaf and Nicola Sturgeon, who are both Scots, are the same racial group? | |
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| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 16:30 - Mar 24 with 1137 views | SE1blue |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 15:20 - Mar 24 by DJR |
A few observations-
1. The Scots are recognised as a separate ethnic group for the purposes of the definition of racial group which applies in relation various race hate crimes. They also come within the definition of race for the purposes of the Equality Act.
2. The use of "sweaties" in this thread would not amount to a criminal offence.
3. Banter amongst consenting adults is fine.
4. Banter can sometimes stray into bullying if the person on the end of it doesn't want it.
5. One of the posters on here has expressed their strong objection to the use of the term "sweaties".
6. TWTD's terms and conditions state "Please respect your fellow posters", so I would suggest people respect that fellow poster and not argue the toss. [Post edited 24 Mar 15:22]
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This 100%.
There’s some on here who have a real issue recognising and accepting #6. |  |
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| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 16:35 - Mar 24 with 1129 views | _clive_baker_ |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 16:30 - Mar 24 by SE1blue |
This 100%.
There’s some on here who have a real issue recognising and accepting #6. |
Not just on here, but society more generally. | | | |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 17:56 - Mar 24 with 1058 views | eireblue |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 15:31 - Mar 24 by Trequartista |
So Humza Yousaf and Nicola Sturgeon, who are both Scots, are the same racial group? |
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| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 18:14 - Mar 24 with 1012 views | bluebud |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 14:29 - Mar 24 by JakeITFC |
Not trying to re-open the argument, but would you consider being called a Jock offensive? Perhaps more accurately is it wrong to talk about the Scottish in general (football/rugby team, army etc.) as jocks? |
I wouldn't say it's offensive, there's an equivalent for the Irish and Welsh that are used more often and freely. I just particularly don't like the term used earlier as who would ever want a stranger to walk up to you and call you sweaty or a sweaty in public - and that's without taking into account any nationalistic, identity or hate issues that may be attached. It's just well rude. | | | |
| Go back to bed mate. (n/t) on 19:59 - Mar 24 with 933 views | witchdoctor |
| Go back to bed mate. (n/t) on 09:39 - Mar 24 by gordon |
Or maybe just accept that racist abuse isn't that funny or clever? |
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| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 20:41 - Mar 24 with 871 views | vapour_trail |
Blimey, this all escalated.
I’ve been telling my father in law about it and he plssed himself laughing. He’s from Perth.
But, I can see that one poster in particular has been very put out, so I’ll retire the word in question from my posting. | |
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| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 21:29 - Mar 24 with 814 views | skinnybob72 |
| The Scots and their famous Hampden atmosphere on 15:31 - Mar 24 by Trequartista |
So Humza Yousaf and Nicola Sturgeon, who are both Scots, are the same racial group? |
If 'arseholes' is deemed to be a separate race, then yes. And I say this as a born and bred 'sweaty' living in Jockland. | | | |
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