| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 07:10 - Apr 15 with 2554 views | bluejacko |
There are no words left to describe his stance on Ukraine! |  | |  |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 08:14 - Apr 15 with 2436 views | Guthrum |
Zelensky annoys Trump, because he won't just hand everything over.
For him, war is like a business deal or a poker game. If you don't think there's a win available, you just fold your hand and wait for the next round. Of course, he's never been in a position (and doesn't know any history) to understand that may result in utter destruction or destitution. He's always had the money to come back and try again. |  |
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 08:36 - Apr 15 with 2364 views | BlueBadger |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 08:14 - Apr 15 by Guthrum |
Zelensky annoys Trump, because he won't just hand everything over.
For him, war is like a business deal or a poker game. If you don't think there's a win available, you just fold your hand and wait for the next round. Of course, he's never been in a position (and doesn't know any history) to understand that may result in utter destruction or destitution. He's always had the money to come back and try again. |
Plus, Putin is his boss and knows where the pictures are kept.
Allegedly. |  |
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 08:49 - Apr 15 with 2336 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
I find myself quite concerned about what we might have to 'give' Trump to form any trade deal, which given our economy we are desperate to do. |  |
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 08:56 - Apr 15 with 2304 views | Guthrum |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 08:49 - Apr 15 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I find myself quite concerned about what we might have to 'give' Trump to form any trade deal, which given our economy we are desperate to do. |
Deregulation. Buy lots of stuff from them which we do not want or which doesn't meet our standards. | |
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:00 - Apr 15 with 2260 views | Herbivore |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 08:49 - Apr 15 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I find myself quite concerned about what we might have to 'give' Trump to form any trade deal, which given our economy we are desperate to do. |
We'll be doing away with the tech bro tax for starters, and I hope you like chlorinated chicken as that'll be the main course. |  |
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:05 - Apr 15 with 2231 views | Basuco |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:00 - Apr 15 by Herbivore |
We'll be doing away with the tech bro tax for starters, and I hope you like chlorinated chicken as that'll be the main course. |
Don't forget the growth hormone in American beef as well. |  | | |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:08 - Apr 15 with 2226 views | Churchman |
From the BBC link:
‘You don't start a war against someone 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles," he told reporters at the White House, also blaming former US President Joe Biden for the conflict‘. According to him, he has been told the latest outrage in Sumy ‘was a mistake’. Yeah, right. And according to Wallace and Gromit the Moon is made of cheese, albeit not Wensleydale.
Trump has no moral compass, no intelligence, no understanding of history, no sense of right and worong, no decency whatsoever. He is violent and irrational. He has surrounded the self with weak minded lickspittles and people like himself but weaker. He and his henchmen don’t recognise anything that doesn’t benefit them personally. They are a disease.
He hides behind the mantra of MAGA. His not interested in making America great again. He’s only interested in shaking down the rest of the world to benefit himself.
Does anyone think he’s got the slightest interest in the wellbeing of say a potato farmer in Idaho? Of course not. But if you lie hard enough, which is easy, since he peddles only lies, the potato farmer will believe him and give him a vote in exchange for a Chinese made baseball cap. Just look at the mugs in hard hats at his ‘Liberation Day’ nonsense. Nodding like plastic dogs on the parcel shelf of 1970s cars. Clueless stooges.
Next time there may be no vote. Why have meaningful elections when the public have elected you and you are not only right in everything but the only one that can ‘save America’? Either hold them and rig the result, declare an emergency or subtly get the constitution, which seems woefully inadequate, changed.
So in Trumpworld, Zelenski started a war. Like minded strongman Putin told him so. They asked for it by not giving Russia what they wanted. No different to the small kid taking a beating from the big one for not giving up his pocket money. He asked for it. Zelenski should have ‘done a deal’, I.e. given up his pocket money. His fault.
Might is right. In simple Trump and Putin world, it’s obvious. But for Trump, as an even bigger kid, he sees an opportunity to shake Ukraine down. Fight for survival? Who cares? Deaths? They started it so f ‘em. There’s riches to be had, before stealing other kids money in other words Canada, Greenland, Arctic, Mars.
He’s a simple man, but a very dangerous one. I’ve met critters of his type in my longish life and loathed them just as I loath every aspect of him. I hope he is removed, incapacitated or dies soon. I’m indifferent to which, just as he’s indifferent to the misery and death he has already caused.
That brings me on to Starmer. Time to stop grovelling and creeping around him. Time to stand up. Consequences? Does he really think he will get any benefit from any deal with Trump? Of course not. Whoever leads that country is an unreliable partner. Forget them. Do the minimum required to transition away from them, get off the fence and form proper partnerships with like minded people, starting with the EU.
The world has changed, embrace it. Time for a little more action - hopefully in his quiet way Starmer is doing that behind the scenes. [Post edited 15 Apr 9:09]
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:29 - Apr 15 with 2112 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:08 - Apr 15 by Churchman |
From the BBC link:
‘You don't start a war against someone 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles," he told reporters at the White House, also blaming former US President Joe Biden for the conflict‘. According to him, he has been told the latest outrage in Sumy ‘was a mistake’. Yeah, right. And according to Wallace and Gromit the Moon is made of cheese, albeit not Wensleydale.
Trump has no moral compass, no intelligence, no understanding of history, no sense of right and worong, no decency whatsoever. He is violent and irrational. He has surrounded the self with weak minded lickspittles and people like himself but weaker. He and his henchmen don’t recognise anything that doesn’t benefit them personally. They are a disease.
He hides behind the mantra of MAGA. His not interested in making America great again. He’s only interested in shaking down the rest of the world to benefit himself.
Does anyone think he’s got the slightest interest in the wellbeing of say a potato farmer in Idaho? Of course not. But if you lie hard enough, which is easy, since he peddles only lies, the potato farmer will believe him and give him a vote in exchange for a Chinese made baseball cap. Just look at the mugs in hard hats at his ‘Liberation Day’ nonsense. Nodding like plastic dogs on the parcel shelf of 1970s cars. Clueless stooges.
Next time there may be no vote. Why have meaningful elections when the public have elected you and you are not only right in everything but the only one that can ‘save America’? Either hold them and rig the result, declare an emergency or subtly get the constitution, which seems woefully inadequate, changed.
So in Trumpworld, Zelenski started a war. Like minded strongman Putin told him so. They asked for it by not giving Russia what they wanted. No different to the small kid taking a beating from the big one for not giving up his pocket money. He asked for it. Zelenski should have ‘done a deal’, I.e. given up his pocket money. His fault.
Might is right. In simple Trump and Putin world, it’s obvious. But for Trump, as an even bigger kid, he sees an opportunity to shake Ukraine down. Fight for survival? Who cares? Deaths? They started it so f ‘em. There’s riches to be had, before stealing other kids money in other words Canada, Greenland, Arctic, Mars.
He’s a simple man, but a very dangerous one. I’ve met critters of his type in my longish life and loathed them just as I loath every aspect of him. I hope he is removed, incapacitated or dies soon. I’m indifferent to which, just as he’s indifferent to the misery and death he has already caused.
That brings me on to Starmer. Time to stop grovelling and creeping around him. Time to stand up. Consequences? Does he really think he will get any benefit from any deal with Trump? Of course not. Whoever leads that country is an unreliable partner. Forget them. Do the minimum required to transition away from them, get off the fence and form proper partnerships with like minded people, starting with the EU.
The world has changed, embrace it. Time for a little more action - hopefully in his quiet way Starmer is doing that behind the scenes. [Post edited 15 Apr 9:09]
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Yeah, that about sums it up. Simple and dangerous indeed. We can’t shy away from the fact that he’s dismantling democratic freedoms in the US. It’s facist. Whether people feel comfortable using that term or not is irrelevant though - whatever you call it, he’s operating outside the law, weaponising the state against his adversaries, controlling information, attacking the checks and balances necessary to a functioning democracy, and suppressing dissent.
I worry for Americans where this will end. Unfortunately it looks like the rest of us will have a bumpy ride for as long as he taints the office. |  |
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:31 - Apr 15 with 2109 views | Guthrum |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:08 - Apr 15 by Churchman |
From the BBC link:
‘You don't start a war against someone 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles," he told reporters at the White House, also blaming former US President Joe Biden for the conflict‘. According to him, he has been told the latest outrage in Sumy ‘was a mistake’. Yeah, right. And according to Wallace and Gromit the Moon is made of cheese, albeit not Wensleydale.
Trump has no moral compass, no intelligence, no understanding of history, no sense of right and worong, no decency whatsoever. He is violent and irrational. He has surrounded the self with weak minded lickspittles and people like himself but weaker. He and his henchmen don’t recognise anything that doesn’t benefit them personally. They are a disease.
He hides behind the mantra of MAGA. His not interested in making America great again. He’s only interested in shaking down the rest of the world to benefit himself.
Does anyone think he’s got the slightest interest in the wellbeing of say a potato farmer in Idaho? Of course not. But if you lie hard enough, which is easy, since he peddles only lies, the potato farmer will believe him and give him a vote in exchange for a Chinese made baseball cap. Just look at the mugs in hard hats at his ‘Liberation Day’ nonsense. Nodding like plastic dogs on the parcel shelf of 1970s cars. Clueless stooges.
Next time there may be no vote. Why have meaningful elections when the public have elected you and you are not only right in everything but the only one that can ‘save America’? Either hold them and rig the result, declare an emergency or subtly get the constitution, which seems woefully inadequate, changed.
So in Trumpworld, Zelenski started a war. Like minded strongman Putin told him so. They asked for it by not giving Russia what they wanted. No different to the small kid taking a beating from the big one for not giving up his pocket money. He asked for it. Zelenski should have ‘done a deal’, I.e. given up his pocket money. His fault.
Might is right. In simple Trump and Putin world, it’s obvious. But for Trump, as an even bigger kid, he sees an opportunity to shake Ukraine down. Fight for survival? Who cares? Deaths? They started it so f ‘em. There’s riches to be had, before stealing other kids money in other words Canada, Greenland, Arctic, Mars.
He’s a simple man, but a very dangerous one. I’ve met critters of his type in my longish life and loathed them just as I loath every aspect of him. I hope he is removed, incapacitated or dies soon. I’m indifferent to which, just as he’s indifferent to the misery and death he has already caused.
That brings me on to Starmer. Time to stop grovelling and creeping around him. Time to stand up. Consequences? Does he really think he will get any benefit from any deal with Trump? Of course not. Whoever leads that country is an unreliable partner. Forget them. Do the minimum required to transition away from them, get off the fence and form proper partnerships with like minded people, starting with the EU.
The world has changed, embrace it. Time for a little more action - hopefully in his quiet way Starmer is doing that behind the scenes. [Post edited 15 Apr 9:09]
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That last bit really is the key to the problem. The world wasn't prepared for this, more extreme version of the Trump Show. They arguably ought to have been, from the stuff he was saying beforehand - but nobody could be that barking, surely?
Time needs to be bought in order to build systems, rearrange networks, even make peace with former rivals*. It will take a while and the chaos has to be held off long enough to reach some semblance of safety. There's little to be gained by opening the seacocks before the lifeboats are ready.
It looks like people are working towards these aims, but it is difficult to know how much real progress is being made. There will be a lot of inertia and mind-set people to be overcome. Quite apart from the efforts of Trump's agents and allies to undermine the flight from US-dependency.
* Interestingly, on the time issue, Trump has hoist himself on his own petard. In the 19th century, tariffs were used to protect existing industries, to maintain domestic price levels by preventing market flooding with cheap imports or to ring-fence imperial trading blocs. They were never used to on-shore business which had gone overseas. Simply because it doesn't work for that. It takes a long time to reconstruct those industries within the wall (more than "by 2nd April" or 90 days) and, even then, supply chains are likely to stretch beyond it. Quite apart from retaliatory tariffs damaging his own exporters. | |
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:49 - Apr 15 with 2023 views | azuremerlangus |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:08 - Apr 15 by Churchman |
From the BBC link:
‘You don't start a war against someone 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles," he told reporters at the White House, also blaming former US President Joe Biden for the conflict‘. According to him, he has been told the latest outrage in Sumy ‘was a mistake’. Yeah, right. And according to Wallace and Gromit the Moon is made of cheese, albeit not Wensleydale.
Trump has no moral compass, no intelligence, no understanding of history, no sense of right and worong, no decency whatsoever. He is violent and irrational. He has surrounded the self with weak minded lickspittles and people like himself but weaker. He and his henchmen don’t recognise anything that doesn’t benefit them personally. They are a disease.
He hides behind the mantra of MAGA. His not interested in making America great again. He’s only interested in shaking down the rest of the world to benefit himself.
Does anyone think he’s got the slightest interest in the wellbeing of say a potato farmer in Idaho? Of course not. But if you lie hard enough, which is easy, since he peddles only lies, the potato farmer will believe him and give him a vote in exchange for a Chinese made baseball cap. Just look at the mugs in hard hats at his ‘Liberation Day’ nonsense. Nodding like plastic dogs on the parcel shelf of 1970s cars. Clueless stooges.
Next time there may be no vote. Why have meaningful elections when the public have elected you and you are not only right in everything but the only one that can ‘save America’? Either hold them and rig the result, declare an emergency or subtly get the constitution, which seems woefully inadequate, changed.
So in Trumpworld, Zelenski started a war. Like minded strongman Putin told him so. They asked for it by not giving Russia what they wanted. No different to the small kid taking a beating from the big one for not giving up his pocket money. He asked for it. Zelenski should have ‘done a deal’, I.e. given up his pocket money. His fault.
Might is right. In simple Trump and Putin world, it’s obvious. But for Trump, as an even bigger kid, he sees an opportunity to shake Ukraine down. Fight for survival? Who cares? Deaths? They started it so f ‘em. There’s riches to be had, before stealing other kids money in other words Canada, Greenland, Arctic, Mars.
He’s a simple man, but a very dangerous one. I’ve met critters of his type in my longish life and loathed them just as I loath every aspect of him. I hope he is removed, incapacitated or dies soon. I’m indifferent to which, just as he’s indifferent to the misery and death he has already caused.
That brings me on to Starmer. Time to stop grovelling and creeping around him. Time to stand up. Consequences? Does he really think he will get any benefit from any deal with Trump? Of course not. Whoever leads that country is an unreliable partner. Forget them. Do the minimum required to transition away from them, get off the fence and form proper partnerships with like minded people, starting with the EU.
The world has changed, embrace it. Time for a little more action - hopefully in his quiet way Starmer is doing that behind the scenes. [Post edited 15 Apr 9:09]
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I still believe he won’t complete 4 years in office. Whether that is due to old age illness, assassination or impeachment is anyones guess but the U.S. won’t put up for this bumpy ride of continual chaos for that long.
As before there is plenty of noise about what he is going to do but fails to actually achieve anything - he just gets bored when it gets too complicated and moves onto the next ‘deal’. [Post edited 15 Apr 9:50]
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:55 - Apr 15 with 1988 views | Blueschev |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:49 - Apr 15 by azuremerlangus |
I still believe he won’t complete 4 years in office. Whether that is due to old age illness, assassination or impeachment is anyones guess but the U.S. won’t put up for this bumpy ride of continual chaos for that long.
As before there is plenty of noise about what he is going to do but fails to actually achieve anything - he just gets bored when it gets too complicated and moves onto the next ‘deal’. [Post edited 15 Apr 9:50]
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I imagine that US military strategists must be silently going mad watching him attempt to dismantle the NATO alliance. It's ensured US military dominance for 70 years and Trump appears to have no understanding of it at all. I would expect something to happen before he goes too far? |  | | |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:55 - Apr 15 with 1983 views | Mullet |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:31 - Apr 15 by Guthrum |
That last bit really is the key to the problem. The world wasn't prepared for this, more extreme version of the Trump Show. They arguably ought to have been, from the stuff he was saying beforehand - but nobody could be that barking, surely?
Time needs to be bought in order to build systems, rearrange networks, even make peace with former rivals*. It will take a while and the chaos has to be held off long enough to reach some semblance of safety. There's little to be gained by opening the seacocks before the lifeboats are ready.
It looks like people are working towards these aims, but it is difficult to know how much real progress is being made. There will be a lot of inertia and mind-set people to be overcome. Quite apart from the efforts of Trump's agents and allies to undermine the flight from US-dependency.
* Interestingly, on the time issue, Trump has hoist himself on his own petard. In the 19th century, tariffs were used to protect existing industries, to maintain domestic price levels by preventing market flooding with cheap imports or to ring-fence imperial trading blocs. They were never used to on-shore business which had gone overseas. Simply because it doesn't work for that. It takes a long time to reconstruct those industries within the wall (more than "by 2nd April" or 90 days) and, even then, supply chains are likely to stretch beyond it. Quite apart from retaliatory tariffs damaging his own exporters. |
The other issue is, you can't be as reactionary as Trump or you get drawn into a game of political russian roulette (no pun intended).
If Starmer is going to do a proper job, he has to be long term and it's hard to do that in the face of Trump and the potential wreckage he might leave behind.
The contrast with the El Salvadorian president who essentially seems to have just bent over backwards for him, whilst wearing a t-shirt in the Oval office is marked. |  |
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:58 - Apr 15 with 1950 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:49 - Apr 15 by azuremerlangus |
I still believe he won’t complete 4 years in office. Whether that is due to old age illness, assassination or impeachment is anyones guess but the U.S. won’t put up for this bumpy ride of continual chaos for that long.
As before there is plenty of noise about what he is going to do but fails to actually achieve anything - he just gets bored when it gets too complicated and moves onto the next ‘deal’. [Post edited 15 Apr 9:50]
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That's the hope. The problem is they then have Vance to come in, and he's a crackpot as well. I suppose there's every chance Vance could be their Liz Truss moment. | |
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 10:16 - Apr 15 with 1869 views | LeoMuff |
I don’t think Trump believes this really, he just can’t take any dent to his ego, Zelenskyy not backing down, the war still going on makes him look silly after his 24 hour claims, Russia being nice but refusing to play ball.
If you look at the bare facts it makes Trump look very very naive and weak and he can’t handle it, so he blames Biden, Zelenskyy etc |  |
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 10:22 - Apr 15 with 1856 views | DJR |
This from the Guardian.
But perhaps even more revealing were comments by Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff, who was in Moscow last week.
Speaking on Fox News, Witkoff said he was confident after his latest five-hour “compelling” meeting with the Russians that a deal with Putin was “emerging”.
“Towards the end, we actually came up with – I’m going to say finally, but I don’t mean it in the way that we were waiting; I mean it in the way that it took a while for us to get to this place – what Putin’s request is to get to, have a permanent peace,” he said.
But in comments that are likely to spook European partners by signalling Putin’s broader security demands, he said the peace deal is “about the so-called five territories, but there’s so much more to it: there’s security protocols, there’s no Nato, Nato Article Five, I mean, it’s just a lot of detail attached to it.”
“It’s a complicated situation … rooted in … some real problematic things happening between the two countries and I think we might be on the verge of something that would be very, very important for the world at large,” he added.
Witkoff also added that he believed “there is a possibility to reshape the Russian-United States relationship through some very compelling commercial opportunities that I think give real stability to the region too.”
So, what, back to business as usual? That’s certainly what Putin wants.
It all increasingly makes it look, as our Russia expert Luke Harding put it, that “the truth is that America either wants Russia to win, or doesn’t care if Ukraine loses.” |  | | |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 10:27 - Apr 15 with 1817 views | Churchman |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:31 - Apr 15 by Guthrum |
That last bit really is the key to the problem. The world wasn't prepared for this, more extreme version of the Trump Show. They arguably ought to have been, from the stuff he was saying beforehand - but nobody could be that barking, surely?
Time needs to be bought in order to build systems, rearrange networks, even make peace with former rivals*. It will take a while and the chaos has to be held off long enough to reach some semblance of safety. There's little to be gained by opening the seacocks before the lifeboats are ready.
It looks like people are working towards these aims, but it is difficult to know how much real progress is being made. There will be a lot of inertia and mind-set people to be overcome. Quite apart from the efforts of Trump's agents and allies to undermine the flight from US-dependency.
* Interestingly, on the time issue, Trump has hoist himself on his own petard. In the 19th century, tariffs were used to protect existing industries, to maintain domestic price levels by preventing market flooding with cheap imports or to ring-fence imperial trading blocs. They were never used to on-shore business which had gone overseas. Simply because it doesn't work for that. It takes a long time to reconstruct those industries within the wall (more than "by 2nd April" or 90 days) and, even then, supply chains are likely to stretch beyond it. Quite apart from retaliatory tariffs damaging his own exporters. |
No, nobody was prepared for this. Heads in the sand by just about everyone. I don’t know about you, but I never thought he’d rampage in the way he has.. But we are where we are and the lessons are there to be learned. It’s about what we do now. Today and tomorrow.
America is not the world and neither is there any guarantee that Trump’s replacement will be any more sane than he is. The US may even tear itself apart if Trump fails to muzzle, imprison, discredit, exile his internal opposition fast enough.
Yes, time is needed to do the things you mention, but that should not be an excuse for inertia created by fear which however unfounded is how it feels to me at the moment. But of course we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. A favourite phrase Churchill used to galvanise was ‘action this day’. There is some merit in it - as long as it’s the right actions.
I agree with Gordon Brown (Guardian articles) - a new ‘world order’ is going to have to be built. I see it as less about ‘holding off chaos long enough to reach semblance of safety’ and more about taking the initiative. If you have to do stuff within a given timescale, it’s truly amazing what can be achieved and how quickly fear gives way to getting things done.
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 10:39 - Apr 15 with 1783 views | Blueschev |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 10:22 - Apr 15 by DJR |
This from the Guardian.
But perhaps even more revealing were comments by Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff, who was in Moscow last week.
Speaking on Fox News, Witkoff said he was confident after his latest five-hour “compelling” meeting with the Russians that a deal with Putin was “emerging”.
“Towards the end, we actually came up with – I’m going to say finally, but I don’t mean it in the way that we were waiting; I mean it in the way that it took a while for us to get to this place – what Putin’s request is to get to, have a permanent peace,” he said.
But in comments that are likely to spook European partners by signalling Putin’s broader security demands, he said the peace deal is “about the so-called five territories, but there’s so much more to it: there’s security protocols, there’s no Nato, Nato Article Five, I mean, it’s just a lot of detail attached to it.”
“It’s a complicated situation … rooted in … some real problematic things happening between the two countries and I think we might be on the verge of something that would be very, very important for the world at large,” he added.
Witkoff also added that he believed “there is a possibility to reshape the Russian-United States relationship through some very compelling commercial opportunities that I think give real stability to the region too.”
So, what, back to business as usual? That’s certainly what Putin wants.
It all increasingly makes it look, as our Russia expert Luke Harding put it, that “the truth is that America either wants Russia to win, or doesn’t care if Ukraine loses.” |
Regarding your last point, I think Trump has looked at how badly the Russian military has performed in the war so no longer sees it as any kind of threat. So if Russia is not a threat to the US why not trade with them? It's also likely that he didn't even know Ukraine was a separate country until he became President the first time, and has no interest in ensuring it remains one. [Post edited 15 Apr 10:44]
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 10:47 - Apr 15 with 1732 views | Churchman |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 10:22 - Apr 15 by DJR |
This from the Guardian.
But perhaps even more revealing were comments by Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff, who was in Moscow last week.
Speaking on Fox News, Witkoff said he was confident after his latest five-hour “compelling” meeting with the Russians that a deal with Putin was “emerging”.
“Towards the end, we actually came up with – I’m going to say finally, but I don’t mean it in the way that we were waiting; I mean it in the way that it took a while for us to get to this place – what Putin’s request is to get to, have a permanent peace,” he said.
But in comments that are likely to spook European partners by signalling Putin’s broader security demands, he said the peace deal is “about the so-called five territories, but there’s so much more to it: there’s security protocols, there’s no Nato, Nato Article Five, I mean, it’s just a lot of detail attached to it.”
“It’s a complicated situation … rooted in … some real problematic things happening between the two countries and I think we might be on the verge of something that would be very, very important for the world at large,” he added.
Witkoff also added that he believed “there is a possibility to reshape the Russian-United States relationship through some very compelling commercial opportunities that I think give real stability to the region too.”
So, what, back to business as usual? That’s certainly what Putin wants.
It all increasingly makes it look, as our Russia expert Luke Harding put it, that “the truth is that America either wants Russia to win, or doesn’t care if Ukraine loses.” |
I doubt America cares one iota about the fate of Ukraine or anywhere else. There’s no right or wrong. There is nothing but commercial opportunity. It’s the only reason Trump’s flunky is even there. America sees resources/commercial advantage is selling out and sawing up Europe.
People being killed in Ukraine or Gaza, let alone Africa. Who cares. They are literally nothing. Name one dictator or authoritarian regime that ever settled for what they had or cared about people. Through fear, they have to continue grabbing more and oppress more. Trump, Xi, Putin. It’s what they are all trying to do.
Resist it or accept it. That includes unpicking and stopping deals with malignant China, resisting grotesque Putin and isolating Trump. They want a new world order. Fine, so be it. Given it’s a big old world out there, it doesn’t have to be the way those animals want it. [Post edited 15 Apr 10:48]
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 10:57 - Apr 15 with 1678 views | iamatractorboy |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:08 - Apr 15 by Churchman |
From the BBC link:
‘You don't start a war against someone 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles," he told reporters at the White House, also blaming former US President Joe Biden for the conflict‘. According to him, he has been told the latest outrage in Sumy ‘was a mistake’. Yeah, right. And according to Wallace and Gromit the Moon is made of cheese, albeit not Wensleydale.
Trump has no moral compass, no intelligence, no understanding of history, no sense of right and worong, no decency whatsoever. He is violent and irrational. He has surrounded the self with weak minded lickspittles and people like himself but weaker. He and his henchmen don’t recognise anything that doesn’t benefit them personally. They are a disease.
He hides behind the mantra of MAGA. His not interested in making America great again. He’s only interested in shaking down the rest of the world to benefit himself.
Does anyone think he’s got the slightest interest in the wellbeing of say a potato farmer in Idaho? Of course not. But if you lie hard enough, which is easy, since he peddles only lies, the potato farmer will believe him and give him a vote in exchange for a Chinese made baseball cap. Just look at the mugs in hard hats at his ‘Liberation Day’ nonsense. Nodding like plastic dogs on the parcel shelf of 1970s cars. Clueless stooges.
Next time there may be no vote. Why have meaningful elections when the public have elected you and you are not only right in everything but the only one that can ‘save America’? Either hold them and rig the result, declare an emergency or subtly get the constitution, which seems woefully inadequate, changed.
So in Trumpworld, Zelenski started a war. Like minded strongman Putin told him so. They asked for it by not giving Russia what they wanted. No different to the small kid taking a beating from the big one for not giving up his pocket money. He asked for it. Zelenski should have ‘done a deal’, I.e. given up his pocket money. His fault.
Might is right. In simple Trump and Putin world, it’s obvious. But for Trump, as an even bigger kid, he sees an opportunity to shake Ukraine down. Fight for survival? Who cares? Deaths? They started it so f ‘em. There’s riches to be had, before stealing other kids money in other words Canada, Greenland, Arctic, Mars.
He’s a simple man, but a very dangerous one. I’ve met critters of his type in my longish life and loathed them just as I loath every aspect of him. I hope he is removed, incapacitated or dies soon. I’m indifferent to which, just as he’s indifferent to the misery and death he has already caused.
That brings me on to Starmer. Time to stop grovelling and creeping around him. Time to stand up. Consequences? Does he really think he will get any benefit from any deal with Trump? Of course not. Whoever leads that country is an unreliable partner. Forget them. Do the minimum required to transition away from them, get off the fence and form proper partnerships with like minded people, starting with the EU.
The world has changed, embrace it. Time for a little more action - hopefully in his quiet way Starmer is doing that behind the scenes. [Post edited 15 Apr 9:09]
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Mr Idaho Potato Farmer doesn't even get the red hat in exchange for his vote. He has to pay an exorbitant fee to Trump for the privilege. | | | |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 10:57 - Apr 15 with 1678 views | itfcjoe |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:55 - Apr 15 by Blueschev |
I imagine that US military strategists must be silently going mad watching him attempt to dismantle the NATO alliance. It's ensured US military dominance for 70 years and Trump appears to have no understanding of it at all. I would expect something to happen before he goes too far? |
It's the same as the global trading system he seems to so despise - it's basically been set up and run by America, for America, and is why they are the biggest economy in the world.
Their military and economic dominance is down to them being able to position themselves as the boss of the world and it's greatest superpower - to give that up for nothing is mental....the Chinese and the Russians have played the long game forever, but surely can't believe their luck - especially China |  |
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 11:06 - Apr 15 with 1600 views | Guthrum |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 10:47 - Apr 15 by Churchman |
I doubt America cares one iota about the fate of Ukraine or anywhere else. There’s no right or wrong. There is nothing but commercial opportunity. It’s the only reason Trump’s flunky is even there. America sees resources/commercial advantage is selling out and sawing up Europe.
People being killed in Ukraine or Gaza, let alone Africa. Who cares. They are literally nothing. Name one dictator or authoritarian regime that ever settled for what they had or cared about people. Through fear, they have to continue grabbing more and oppress more. Trump, Xi, Putin. It’s what they are all trying to do.
Resist it or accept it. That includes unpicking and stopping deals with malignant China, resisting grotesque Putin and isolating Trump. They want a new world order. Fine, so be it. Given it’s a big old world out there, it doesn’t have to be the way those animals want it. [Post edited 15 Apr 10:48]
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The problem being that between them, the USA and China account for a large chunk of the world's spending/investment power. With Russia having a lot of natural resources on top of that. | |
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 13:24 - Apr 15 with 1243 views | Churchman |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 11:06 - Apr 15 by Guthrum |
The problem being that between them, the USA and China account for a large chunk of the world's spending/investment power. With Russia having a lot of natural resources on top of that. |
Yes, they do. But they don’t account for all of the world’s spending/investment. The EU amounts to 17% of the world’s GDP. Add in broadly aligned countries across the world such as Australia, Canada, Japan, U.K. and you have a significant trading block that doesn’t necessarily have to do US/Russia/China’s bidding unless they allow themselves to.
That is how I see a new world order evolving, if the non authoritarian states want. The easy option is to bend the knee and be grateful for Master’s crumbs. I don’t think my ancestors fought in world wars for that form of subservience, but that’s just my view.
Does the future look gloomy? Short term yes and I feel for those countries in direct peril, including surely lost Ukraine, Baltics, Poland, Palestine and countries across the world in deep trouble. Long term, I take Brown’s view that it’s up to ‘the willing’.
One thing is for sure, America is going to pay dearly for electing that idiot. Isolationism will never work. It never has, but since when did Trump and his crowd with shiny suits and ties along with greasy hair and too much sweat (e.g. Vance and Hegseth) ever take an interest in the lessons of history? [Post edited 15 Apr 13:25]
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 16:56 - Apr 15 with 983 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 09:58 - Apr 15 by Swansea_Blue |
That's the hope. The problem is they then have Vance to come in, and he's a crackpot as well. I suppose there's every chance Vance could be their Liz Truss moment. |
There is a long line of succession if anything happens to Trump not sure anyone on the list offers anything of worth.
The guy third in line is in his 90’s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession |  |
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| Trump blaming Zelensky again on 18:26 - Apr 15 with 851 views | bluejacko |
Well I’m sure the CEO of Raytheon is pleased,despite Trump mouthing off about Ukraine begging for patriot systems,Zelenskyy has said he would BUY 10 systems for $15b and trump said no and carried on slagging Zelenskyy off🙄so much for jobs for Americans! [Post edited 16 Apr 10:37]
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