| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away 07:32 - Apr 17 with 6645 views | StokieBlue |
Using the James Webb scientists have been able to analyse the compounds present on planet K2-18 b which is ~124 LY from Earth. This analysis has shown the presence of DMS and DMDS in the atmosphere which on Earth are only created by life, mainly marine phytoplankton [1][2].
K2-18 b is 2.6 times the size of Earth and lays within the habitable zone of it's star [3]. In 2019 the Hubble appeared to spot water vapour (and hints of DMS) and there is speculation that the planet is covered in a single deep ocean which would tally with marine organisms creating the biosignature.
Of course all of this is unproven, they aren't at the 5 sigma level of confidence yet and there may be other sources of DMS and DMDS that we don't know about because they don't exist on Earth but it's certainly a promising discovery with regards to the potential of life outside the solar system. If it's present on this planet, it's likely present everywhere.
SB
[1]. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/apr/17/scientists-hail-strongest-eviden
[2]. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c39jj9vkr34o
[3]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitable_zone [Post edited 17 Apr 7:32]
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| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 20:57 - Apr 17 with 1320 views | NeedhamChris |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 08:50 - Apr 17 by SimonBatfordITFC |
VAR isn’t used for goal line decisions. |
VAR is and has been used for goal line decisions |  |
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| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 21:03 - Apr 17 with 1331 views | StokieBlue |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 19:43 - Apr 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Any chance of a reprieve for Glassers? He used to wind me up something rotten at times, but I think it was coming from a genuine place and I miss him (don’t tell him that though!). |
Totally agree even though we had our differences.
However, if he's allowed at back then other posters banned for similar offences such as Moose should be allowed back as well.
We would want things to look biased right?
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| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 21:35 - Apr 17 with 1275 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 19:28 - Apr 17 by RadioOrwell |
As an atheist I always wonder about how theist apologists would react to the life on other planet problem.
I can imagine they'll double down but I'm wondering where they would go with it.
We humans are special and God made the universe for us but ... the life we just found on another planet is
: a test of our faith
: doesn't conflict with the bible / Koran / whatever holy book
: Isn't Earth Human and isn't as important as us
: Revelation !
: dig around the holy text and you'll find reference to it
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It will be that the other life is an example of his power and wonder. | | | |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 21:36 - Apr 17 with 1272 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 19:41 - Apr 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Everyone’s getting a bit carried away by this. If there is any life, it’ll only be the simplest of lifeforms and certainly not anything that’s developed intelligence.
The question everyone should be asking is how did any Norwich fans get out there in the first place?  |
We dont know that. Likely, perhaps. But who knows? | | | |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 21:38 - Apr 17 with 1272 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 20:50 - Apr 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Personally I don't think it likely to exist on other planets but it is possible for God to have created life for his own pleasure and for us to discover or not. It also would help us get some perspective on our place in creation. Is there any difference with life at the bottom of the oceans that we will probably never fully know about?
I found it interesting reading one of my favourite Christian authors C S Lewis and finding out his views on extra-terrestrial life. His space trilogy was a good read too. |
Why would you think it unlikely, given the inconceivable vastness of the cosmos? | | | |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 21:42 - Apr 17 with 1270 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 21:38 - Apr 17 by redrickstuhaart |
Why would you think it unlikely, given the inconceivable vastness of the cosmos? |
That's a good question really. Just a gut feeling I suppose. As I say, C S Lewis' views were an interesting read and changed my perspective to being more open to the possibility to some degree. |  |
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| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 21:51 - Apr 17 with 1260 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 21:42 - Apr 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
That's a good question really. Just a gut feeling I suppose. As I say, C S Lewis' views were an interesting read and changed my perspective to being more open to the possibility to some degree. |
CS Lewis was driven by religious convictions of course.... | | | |
| GB has been very dignified.... on 22:41 - Apr 17 with 1230 views | Bloots |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 19:43 - Apr 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Any chance of a reprieve for Glassers? He used to wind me up something rotten at times, but I think it was coming from a genuine place and I miss him (don’t tell him that though!). |
...during his absence.
He hasn't been sneaking back on under new account names and attempting to continue old battles unlike numerous other banned posters.
A couple of them do it on practically a monthly basis! Far more trouble for Phil than they are worth.
I think he'd like to come back, but again he's not the type to make a song and dance about it.
He's a decent man, who obviously improves the board by providing some intelligently presented balance which is mostly lacking on here.
Ultimately it's Phils choice, but I think he's served his time. |  |
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| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 22:52 - Apr 17 with 1191 views | RadioOrwell |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 20:50 - Apr 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Personally I don't think it likely to exist on other planets but it is possible for God to have created life for his own pleasure and for us to discover or not. It also would help us get some perspective on our place in creation. Is there any difference with life at the bottom of the oceans that we will probably never fully know about?
I found it interesting reading one of my favourite Christian authors C S Lewis and finding out his views on extra-terrestrial life. His space trilogy was a good read too. |
That's something I hadn't considered: Alien life is on a par with deep sea life so no real difference.
Interesting.
It would make Genesis sound even more ridiculous than it does already but I guess I could see apologists go all in with that kind of argument. |  | | |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 22:54 - Apr 17 with 1182 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 22:52 - Apr 17 by RadioOrwell |
That's something I hadn't considered: Alien life is on a par with deep sea life so no real difference.
Interesting.
It would make Genesis sound even more ridiculous than it does already but I guess I could see apologists go all in with that kind of argument. |
Why would it make Genesis seem ridiculous? | |
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| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 23:12 - Apr 17 with 1154 views | RadioOrwell |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 22:54 - Apr 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Why would it make Genesis seem ridiculous? |
Adam and Eve - garden of eden.
What happened during the 7 days.
But forgetting to mention the other planet (s) | | | |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 23:58 - Apr 17 with 1111 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 23:12 - Apr 17 by RadioOrwell |
Adam and Eve - garden of eden.
What happened during the 7 days.
But forgetting to mention the other planet (s) |
It is of course a feature of the bible, that if it was real, it could and would tell us all sorts about such things, and also about what heaven is really like, what god did before making the cosmos, how he came to be, who else is up there hanging out with him etc etc. | | | |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 07:36 - Apr 18 with 1058 views | NthQldITFC |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 22:54 - Apr 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Why would it make Genesis seem ridiculous? |
Phil Collins is a tvvat. |  |
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| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 08:10 - Apr 18 with 1008 views | Keno |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 23:12 - Apr 17 by RadioOrwell |
Adam and Eve - garden of eden.
What happened during the 7 days.
But forgetting to mention the other planet (s) |
You are obviously not familiar with the early books of genesis which, among other things, mentions the "sons of the gods coming to earth to make wives of the daughters of man'
Genesis is of course actually cribbed off the much older writings of last forgotten civilisations |  |
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| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 08:42 - Apr 18 with 989 views | farkenhell |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 23:58 - Apr 17 by redrickstuhaart |
It is of course a feature of the bible, that if it was real, it could and would tell us all sorts about such things, and also about what heaven is really like, what god did before making the cosmos, how he came to be, who else is up there hanging out with him etc etc. |
And, of course, the most soul-searching question, why oh why did he allow Norwich City to be created! | | | |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 09:05 - Apr 18 with 955 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 23:58 - Apr 17 by redrickstuhaart |
It is of course a feature of the bible, that if it was real, it could and would tell us all sorts about such things, and also about what heaven is really like, what god did before making the cosmos, how he came to be, who else is up there hanging out with him etc etc. |
Well god is obviously real. There has to be a sentient being controlling what’s going on, otherwise how do you explain it always raining on a bank holiday? |  |
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| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 09:11 - Apr 18 with 948 views | NthQldITFC |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 09:05 - Apr 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Well god is obviously real. There has to be a sentient being controlling what’s going on, otherwise how do you explain it always raining on a bank holiday? |
I don't believe in bank holidays. | |
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| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 11:08 - Apr 18 with 886 views | RadioOrwell |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 08:10 - Apr 18 by Keno |
You are obviously not familiar with the early books of genesis which, among other things, mentions the "sons of the gods coming to earth to make wives of the daughters of man'
Genesis is of course actually cribbed off the much older writings of last forgotten civilisations |
Do you mean, 'sons of Gods coming to Earth from another planet to make wives of the daughters of Man' ?
Is that what it means ?
I would have assumed it meant from Heaven.
But I'm not up to speed on apologetics which is why I am curious about possible responses to the alien life question. | | | |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 12:14 - Apr 18 with 854 views | Keno |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 11:08 - Apr 18 by RadioOrwell |
Do you mean, 'sons of Gods coming to Earth from another planet to make wives of the daughters of Man' ?
Is that what it means ?
I would have assumed it meant from Heaven.
But I'm not up to speed on apologetics which is why I am curious about possible responses to the alien life question. |
the inference is that people where coming from another planet, technologically more advanced and viewed as 'gods' by the people on earth
I'm agnostic as to whether there is an actually 'God' but very open to there being life on other planets, so of which will be more advanced than us and some more primitive | |
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| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 13:32 - Apr 19 with 696 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 23:12 - Apr 17 by RadioOrwell |
Adam and Eve - garden of eden.
What happened during the 7 days.
But forgetting to mention the other planet (s) |
I think I follow your logic now.
You seem to think that Genesis describes all life as starting in the Garden of Eden and then spreading to cover the whole Earth and so it couldn't have reached into space.
That isn't what Genesis describes at all but rather simply that God created everything including life and the order in which it was created and that he placed Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. | |
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| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 13:52 - Apr 19 with 677 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 13:32 - Apr 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I think I follow your logic now.
You seem to think that Genesis describes all life as starting in the Garden of Eden and then spreading to cover the whole Earth and so it couldn't have reached into space.
That isn't what Genesis describes at all but rather simply that God created everything including life and the order in which it was created and that he placed Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. |
It also gets everything in the wrong order and creates a fundamental paradox at the heart of the entire christian doctrine; namely the idea of eternal punishment for a finite crime, imposed on people who committed the said crime (which was victimless) at a time when they supposedly did not really understand evil or, consequently, right and wrong. And then passes those consequences to the offspring of those people, eternally. All supposedly implemented by a benevolent loving deity. [Post edited 19 Apr 14:07]
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| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 14:56 - Apr 19 with 652 views | RadioOrwell |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 13:32 - Apr 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I think I follow your logic now.
You seem to think that Genesis describes all life as starting in the Garden of Eden and then spreading to cover the whole Earth and so it couldn't have reached into space.
That isn't what Genesis describes at all but rather simply that God created everything including life and the order in which it was created and that he placed Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. |
Right.
I hadn't figured that the claim could be that life on other planets came from Earth.
My main thought is that Genesis would have been a little more impressive if it had mentioned life on other planets. And on what day that all happened.
I just now thought that if you really wanted to you could say that our holy books simply describe our world / planet and there is or will be a Revelation to Alien life when / if it's ready to receive it.
I'm getting good at this stuff ! | | | |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 14:59 - Apr 19 with 642 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Scientists find possible biosignatures on an extrasolar planet 124 LY away on 14:56 - Apr 19 by RadioOrwell |
Right.
I hadn't figured that the claim could be that life on other planets came from Earth.
My main thought is that Genesis would have been a little more impressive if it had mentioned life on other planets. And on what day that all happened.
I just now thought that if you really wanted to you could say that our holy books simply describe our world / planet and there is or will be a Revelation to Alien life when / if it's ready to receive it.
I'm getting good at this stuff ! |
Convenient isnt it? That it only deals with stuff that people at the time could have been aware of or thoguht up for themselves? | | | |
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