| Penalty 21:27 - May 7 with 1575 views | ipswichtillidie |
Don’t care for Arsenal but joke decision. VAR again poor |  |
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| Penalty on 21:32 - May 7 with 1392 views | tonybied |
Not really, it was a pen by the rules as they stand. The defenders arm was outstretched and it clearly affects the flight of the ball too. |  | | |
| Penalty on 21:42 - May 7 with 1341 views | ipswichtillidie |
| Penalty on 21:32 - May 7 by tonybied |
Not really, it was a pen by the rules as they stand. The defenders arm was outstretched and it clearly affects the flight of the ball too. |
Sure whatever | |
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| Penalty on 21:44 - May 7 with 1331 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Penalty on 21:32 - May 7 by tonybied |
Not really, it was a pen by the rules as they stand. The defenders arm was outstretched and it clearly affects the flight of the ball too. |
It's an awful decision, not a person in the ground appealed for it either on or off the pitch. |  | | |
| Penalty on 21:47 - May 7 with 1302 views | Vaughan8 |
| Penalty on 21:32 - May 7 by tonybied |
Not really, it was a pen by the rules as they stand. The defenders arm was outstretched and it clearly affects the flight of the ball too. |
what is the natural position for a player turning himself.
Seemed incredibly harsh. |  | | |
| Penalty on 21:51 - May 7 with 1263 views | MattinLondon |
VAR didn’t award the penalty, it simply alerted the ref to that incident. The referee can either stick with his real time decision or not.
Seen penalties like that given and not given. |  | | |
| Penalty on 21:55 - May 7 with 1243 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Penalty on 21:51 - May 7 by MattinLondon |
VAR didn’t award the penalty, it simply alerted the ref to that incident. The referee can either stick with his real time decision or not.
Seen penalties like that given and not given. |
No, but it got involved when it didn't need to, it certainly wasn't a clear and obvious error. Once the ref goes to the screen there's normally only one result. | | | |
| Penalty on 22:01 - May 7 with 1189 views | Vaughan8 |
| Penalty on 21:55 - May 7 by StNeotsBlue |
No, but it got involved when it didn't need to, it certainly wasn't a clear and obvious error. Once the ref goes to the screen there's normally only one result. |
Yes. I think in all the "VAR" football I've seen, only once they didn't go with VAR. | | | |
| Penalty on 22:02 - May 7 with 1185 views | ipswichtillidie |
| Penalty on 21:55 - May 7 by StNeotsBlue |
No, but it got involved when it didn't need to, it certainly wasn't a clear and obvious error. Once the ref goes to the screen there's normally only one result. |
Exactly this. Wasn’t a clear error at all.. Ball flicked his hand at pace and he was in a natural position stretching for the block. VAR is a joke when it gets involved in this type of incident. At least we get a break from it next season. Silver lining n all. | |
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| Penalty on 22:06 - May 7 with 1155 views | TractorWood |
| Penalty on 21:55 - May 7 by StNeotsBlue |
No, but it got involved when it didn't need to, it certainly wasn't a clear and obvious error. Once the ref goes to the screen there's normally only one result. |
The ref seemed to imply it's a bad rule and has to be a pen. |  |
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| Penalty on 22:09 - May 7 with 1137 views | tonybied |
| Penalty on 22:06 - May 7 by TractorWood |
The ref seemed to imply it's a bad rule and has to be a pen. |
That's pretty much how I see it. It's not great but by the letter of the law it's a penalty. It's harsh but not wrong. | | | |
| Penalty on 22:16 - May 7 with 1108 views | cressi |
| Penalty on 22:09 - May 7 by tonybied |
That's pretty much how I see it. It's not great but by the letter of the law it's a penalty. It's harsh but not wrong. |
Thank god next season var free can celebrate a goal instantly almost | | | |
| Penalty on 22:19 - May 7 with 1085 views | TractorWood |
| Penalty on 22:16 - May 7 by cressi |
Thank god next season var free can celebrate a goal instantly almost |
Agree but I'm sure we'll make 20 mins into the first game of the championship and get some massive error or clear and obvious howler not go for us.
There is no obvious answer imho. Football is a rich tapestry and inherently hard to referee. | |
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| Penalty on 22:35 - May 7 with 1030 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Penalty on 22:09 - May 7 by tonybied |
That's pretty much how I see it. It's not great but by the letter of the law it's a penalty. It's harsh but not wrong. |
Not even by the leter of the law.
Perhaps by the letter of how the refs got together and decided they were going to interpret the law.
The law itself does not make that a penalty. | | | |
| Penalty on 22:55 - May 7 with 979 views | quirkie |
Just seen it on MoTD, that was always going to be called a penalty. Hand was away from the body and deflected the ball.
Can't see no problem with VAR giving that decision. |  |
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| Penalty on 22:56 - May 7 with 978 views | vapour_trail |
Not sure I’ve ever seen a pen that remote officials have given that the on field has missed when no player or fan has claimed it.
Totally bizarre. |  |
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| Penalty on 23:08 - May 7 with 927 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Penalty on 22:55 - May 7 by quirkie |
Just seen it on MoTD, that was always going to be called a penalty. Hand was away from the body and deflected the ball.
Can't see no problem with VAR giving that decision. |
What does the law say? | | | |
| Penalty on 23:10 - May 7 with 923 views | quirkie |
HANDLING THE BALL
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.
It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
scores in the opponents' goal:
directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental | |
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| Penalty on 23:40 - May 7 with 850 views | mellowblue |
| Penalty on 21:51 - May 7 by MattinLondon |
VAR didn’t award the penalty, it simply alerted the ref to that incident. The referee can either stick with his real time decision or not.
Seen penalties like that given and not given. |
very rare you see a ref go against VAR when it is a handball. | | | |
| Penalty on 08:25 - May 8 with 590 views | Wickets |
| Penalty on 21:32 - May 7 by tonybied |
Not really, it was a pen by the rules as they stand. The defenders arm was outstretched and it clearly affects the flight of the ball too. |
Rubbish ! Never a penalty just glad the footie gods decided intervention was needed . |  | | |
| Penalty on 09:18 - May 8 with 519 views | BrentwoodBlagger2 |
Any decision that goes against Skelly is fine by me - he's a lairy pr1ck, who cheats and dives. If he played for us he'd be okay, but he doesn't! | | | |
| Penalty on 09:48 - May 8 with 486 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Penalty on 23:10 - May 7 by quirkie |
HANDLING THE BALL
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.
It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
scores in the opponents' goal:
directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental |
So... not a penalty. | | | |
| Penalty on 10:06 - May 8 with 462 views | Radlett_blue |
The problem is that the change in the handball law means that a penalty is usually given (especially if VAR is is use) if a ball strikes a player's arm when his arm is away from his body. Football is a game of movement & a player's arm naturally moves away from his body to retain balance. I much preferred the old, simpler rule when a handball had to be "wilful". |  |
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| Penalty on 11:32 - May 8 with 408 views | tonybied |
| Penalty on 10:06 - May 8 by Radlett_blue |
The problem is that the change in the handball law means that a penalty is usually given (especially if VAR is is use) if a ball strikes a player's arm when his arm is away from his body. Football is a game of movement & a player's arm naturally moves away from his body to retain balance. I much preferred the old, simpler rule when a handball had to be "wilful". |
This is my point earlier in the thread that seems to have annoyed some. It is a penalty when following the letter of the law, it really shouldn't be, but it is! Players can't possibly be expected to keep their arms at their sides at all times, it's just not physically possible. Alas, the current interpretation calls it as a pen though!
Just because the opposition didn't appeal doesn't mean it couldn't possibly be a penalty. Also, a penalty offence being missed must count as a clear and obvious error! So I don't see the hate for VAR here. | | | |
| Penalty on 11:38 - May 8 with 398 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Penalty on 22:56 - May 7 by vapour_trail |
Not sure I’ve ever seen a pen that remote officials have given that the on field has missed when no player or fan has claimed it.
Totally bizarre. |
My primary concern is the length of time that passed between the incident and the ref being told to look at the monitor - from memory Arsenal attacked and may even have had a shot at goal.
What would have happened if in the 3 minutes or so it took from the handball to VAR advising the ref to look at the monitor, but in the play in the meantime had resulted in a goal for either side, or a red card, or a yellow? Does all of that get unwound? | | | |
| Penalty on 12:58 - May 8 with 357 views | Rimsy |
Highlighted why Var is crap. Joke of a decision that put a stop to Arsenal having any chance to turn things around. |  |
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