| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? 07:38 - May 19 with 5659 views | bluelagos |
We get to reset our relationship with the EU to something more sensible and Gary Lineker leaves the BBC - something for everyone, left and right.
A day of love and peace for all Twtdrs :-) |  |
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:36 - May 21 with 363 views | Churchman |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 19:22 - May 20 by OldFart71 |
I would like to know who is balanced in their views. Not many I suspect, you have allegiance to one party or another. That doesn't mean you agree with everything they do and if like the Tories you get a lot wrong over 14 years people vote another Party in.
Labour are about ten months into a five year tenure and they have already p*ssed off vast swathes of the country by their ill thought out policies. Trying to say deals that they have done with the US, India and now the EU are all good for the UK. We will see, but people who are far more intelligent than myself are saying these deals are giving far more than we are receiving and whilst I concur with the attitude that some just say this because it's not their Party that has negotiated these deals it will no doubt all come out in the wash. |
In terms of balanced views, I’d argue there’s no such thing. We all have differing backgrounds, history, experiences. Some people read widely, others less so. Some people challenge and question, others don’t. Some don’t hold any views at all. We are all different.
As for me, I like to think I’m pretty balanced in my views. I was reasonably educated, am pretty literate (nothing wrong with the Beano!) and am curious by nature. I like to challenge and do not automatically accept what I read. I hold no party allegiance. I did, but many years ago.
I believe the deals done are overall positive for the U.K. You are never going to get an arrangement that benefits you to the total detriment of the country you make the arrangement with, unless you believe plundering is a ‘deal’ in the way Trump does. But then he can dress up a country surrendering to a more powerful one as a ‘deal’. Tool.
The EU reset is very much a first step. So the fishy people are unhappy. I get that, but however emotive, that industry represents a tiny percentage of GDP and doesn’t place Captn Birdseye in an any worse place than he is now.
The upside is making trade more frictionless. As a third country, the EU is in real terms closed to U.K. small businesses and visa versa. Bigger companies used to trading around the world? Less so as they are experienced in moving stuff across borders. But there’s still a cost involved. Anything that reduces barriers to trade is good.
The trick is to come to arrangements with the EU that facilitate trade without compromising what is done with the rest of the world. That’s why this deal is very minor in scope. Improving it will take time, but it’s a start.
The response of the tories and Reform has frankly been pathetic. Many were directly involved in the mess this country finds itself in, including the loss of control of our own energy supplies, abandonment of defence and just about everything else.
Since Badenoch and co have no solutions beyond doubling down on the maddest U.K. decision in my lifetime (Brexit), they should do us a favour and either shut the f up or come up with something constructive - and there’s more chance of me getting a Christmas card from Putin than either ever happening. |  | | |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 10:48 - May 21 with 306 views | OldFart71 |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 19:27 - May 20 by redrickstuhaart |
I dont have allegiance to one party or another.
Your comments are Trumpish. "Peopel tell me that....." therefore it must be true.
Seriously.
They have partly repaired a small part of the damage done whilst maintaining the status quo on fishing. Thats seems fine and fair. |
I don't think UK fishermen would see this agreement as the status quo. If the shoe was on the other foot and the French had come to a deal like this they'd be blockading their ports.
I also have an issue with the fact that many on this forum believe that their opinion is correct and anyone else's is piffle.
Say what you want as long as it's in the bounds of decency. Many have their opinions I have mine and I'm not saying mine are right and others are wrong.
If we aren't careful Musk will turn out to be right. We are as a nation already being suppressed as to what we say if it isn't racist, islamophobic or antisemitic. Which seems odd seeing as these social media platforms allow all sorts of trolls on them. |  | | |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 11:34 - May 21 with 265 views | bluelagos |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 10:48 - May 21 by OldFart71 |
I don't think UK fishermen would see this agreement as the status quo. If the shoe was on the other foot and the French had come to a deal like this they'd be blockading their ports.
I also have an issue with the fact that many on this forum believe that their opinion is correct and anyone else's is piffle.
Say what you want as long as it's in the bounds of decency. Many have their opinions I have mine and I'm not saying mine are right and others are wrong.
If we aren't careful Musk will turn out to be right. We are as a nation already being suppressed as to what we say if it isn't racist, islamophobic or antisemitic. Which seems odd seeing as these social media platforms allow all sorts of trolls on them. |
Reading the last pages - I think you doth protest too much OF71. If you put an opinion out there then be prepared for it to be challenged. If you're unhappy with that then best keep it to yourself.
(accepting people challenging it should be polite where possible)
As for the idea we surpress comments that are deemed racist I have a top tip...don't say things that are racist, I always find that works quite effectively.
Trolls are a harder one to spot sometimes and there can be a fine line between a funny comment to one person and trolling to another. Not really sure we always get it right, but generally those engaging in trolling get dumped from Twtd which seems right - and it can't be easy judging who and when gets the ban hammer from admin. | |
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 11:37 - May 21 with 256 views | Churchman |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 10:48 - May 21 by OldFart71 |
I don't think UK fishermen would see this agreement as the status quo. If the shoe was on the other foot and the French had come to a deal like this they'd be blockading their ports.
I also have an issue with the fact that many on this forum believe that their opinion is correct and anyone else's is piffle.
Say what you want as long as it's in the bounds of decency. Many have their opinions I have mine and I'm not saying mine are right and others are wrong.
If we aren't careful Musk will turn out to be right. We are as a nation already being suppressed as to what we say if it isn't racist, islamophobic or antisemitic. Which seems odd seeing as these social media platforms allow all sorts of trolls on them. |
Well, the French protest about everything, including raising pension age over 62. They’re good at it and in some instances, they are right to and I admire them for it.
With regard to fishing I do know how maritime borders work (it’s complex) and used to know exactly how the old EU quota system operated. If memory serves me right, there was that plenty of U.K. fishermen were more than happy to sell their quotas to the French, Spanish or anyone else if they could make a bob or two. B awful, dangerous job it is too so I can’t say I blame them.
Much of your fish in the chip shop came from British waters via say an Icelandic boat then imported back again at higher cost. So I can’t get too invested in the ‘U.K. waters, our living etc’ morality aspect. Economically it makes negligible difference to us anyway.
The reality is that had the U.K. wanted total control over its waters within international rules in 2019, that would have meant true, complete, no deal Brexit. Just what bellend Farage and the nutjobs want to this day without the slightest understanding of what that means or any desire to find out. | | | |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 11:47 - May 21 with 253 views | soupytwist |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 10:48 - May 21 by OldFart71 |
I don't think UK fishermen would see this agreement as the status quo. If the shoe was on the other foot and the French had come to a deal like this they'd be blockading their ports.
I also have an issue with the fact that many on this forum believe that their opinion is correct and anyone else's is piffle.
Say what you want as long as it's in the bounds of decency. Many have their opinions I have mine and I'm not saying mine are right and others are wrong.
If we aren't careful Musk will turn out to be right. We are as a nation already being suppressed as to what we say if it isn't racist, islamophobic or antisemitic. Which seems odd seeing as these social media platforms allow all sorts of trolls on them. |
The BBC's Q&A on the new arrangements - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy8nnxrzr07o - says this about fishing, which suggests it both is and isn't the status quo:
"After Brexit, the UK and the EU agreed that EU vessels could still fish in UK waters until 30 June 2026, but that 25% of the EU's quota in UK waters (by value of fish landings) would gradually be transferred to the UK.
From 1 July 2026, EU-UK deals for fishing access were going to be negotiated annually.
But this new deal maintains the current position in terms of EU access to UK waters for 12 years, a move criticised by the Scottish Fishermen's Federation as a "total capitulation" by the UK government.
Downing Street stressed that the EU quota in UK waters has not increased, and says the deal provides certainty - as well as streamlining the process for selling UK fish and shellfish in the EU."
If the process for selling UK fish and shellfish in the EU is now easier, that could be worth maintaining the current situation rather than going into annual negotiations on increasing access, which may or may not go as our fishing industry would wish. There's not much point in negotiating the ability to catch more if selling what UK boats currently catch to their favoured market is a right pain in neck and we already have a mechanism whereby 25% of the EU's quota in UK waters (by value of fish landings) would gradually be transferred to the UK. |  | | |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 15:11 - May 21 with 185 views | GeoffSentence |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 11:39 - May 19 by DJR |
Looks like Labour are no different to the Tories when it comes to the devolved regions.
Scottish government complains about not being consulted over deal with EU on fishing
Angus Robertson, cabinet secretary for constitution, external affairs and culture in the SNP Scottish government, has posted this on social media about the fishing aspect of the EU-UK deal
"UK Govt has agreed a fisheries (devolved) deal with EU in principle, without any recourse, involvement or approval of Devolved Admins. Scottish Government received no documentation or draft proposals in advance. I asked UK minister last week for this. Nothing received. Reset?"
Meet the new control freaks, same as the old control freaks? [Post edited 19 May 11:41]
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Involving the devolved regions would be pretty unworkable these days. It's not just Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland with devolution. There are English regions too, The North East, Tees Valley, York and North Yorjskire, Hull and East Yorkshire, Greater Grimsby, West Of England and Liverpool are all coastal regions which have an interest too. Imagine trying to consult with that lot, all with different complexions of government, 2 are Reform controlled.
Nope, It is much better that the UK government acts on behalf of the UK as a whole. |  |
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 16:27 - May 21 with 160 views | DJR |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 15:11 - May 21 by GeoffSentence |
Involving the devolved regions would be pretty unworkable these days. It's not just Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland with devolution. There are English regions too, The North East, Tees Valley, York and North Yorjskire, Hull and East Yorkshire, Greater Grimsby, West Of England and Liverpool are all coastal regions which have an interest too. Imagine trying to consult with that lot, all with different complexions of government, 2 are Reform controlled.
Nope, It is much better that the UK government acts on behalf of the UK as a whole. |
I suppose that's what happened with Brexit. Scotland voted to Remain, and instead of the government taking that into account and maybe going for a softer Brexit, it went full speed ahead for as hard a Brexit as possible.
It would have done the same in relation to Northern Ireland (which voted to Remain) but it had the Belfast Agreement up its sleeve.
But I can certainly see what you are saying. [Post edited 21 May 16:29]
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 17:10 - May 21 with 138 views | Radlett_blue |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 11:37 - May 21 by Churchman |
Well, the French protest about everything, including raising pension age over 62. They’re good at it and in some instances, they are right to and I admire them for it.
With regard to fishing I do know how maritime borders work (it’s complex) and used to know exactly how the old EU quota system operated. If memory serves me right, there was that plenty of U.K. fishermen were more than happy to sell their quotas to the French, Spanish or anyone else if they could make a bob or two. B awful, dangerous job it is too so I can’t say I blame them.
Much of your fish in the chip shop came from British waters via say an Icelandic boat then imported back again at higher cost. So I can’t get too invested in the ‘U.K. waters, our living etc’ morality aspect. Economically it makes negligible difference to us anyway.
The reality is that had the U.K. wanted total control over its waters within international rules in 2019, that would have meant true, complete, no deal Brexit. Just what bellend Farage and the nutjobs want to this day without the slightest understanding of what that means or any desire to find out. |
Yes, the French protest very aggressively when an entitlement is taken away from them, but the result is a country with the highest government spending to GDP ratio in Europe. They also have poor demographics, although not as bad as Germany & these entitlements will eventually become unaffordable. |  |
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