| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? 07:38 - May 19 with 8656 views | bluelagos |
We get to reset our relationship with the EU to something more sensible and Gary Lineker leaves the BBC - something for everyone, left and right.
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:25 - May 20 with 827 views | Herbivore |
It's not beneficial but nothing is materially changing from the status quo. I can see why they're unhappy with the length of the deal and why they'd rather have exclusive access to the fishing grounds as Johnson and others lied to them and said that would be a Brexit benefit, but when negotiating things that will benefit us there is always going to have to be concessions to the other side as well.
It's interesting that folks who have never given a toss about fishing communities are suddenly giving a toss about fishing communities, just like after the IHT changes folks who'd never cared a jot about farmers were suddenly advocates for the farming community. [Post edited 20 May 7:46]
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:46 - May 20 with 787 views | DJR |
This part of the deal was a roll-over of the previous deal, but the new deal has been welcomed by the salmon industry in Scotland. And a spokesperson on Farming Today this morning said it would be of benefit for live shellfish exports, which certain EU countries are very keen on. He went on to say that many companies had ceased to be involved in the industry due to the Brexit deal, and it was not clear how many might come back.
I might add that this from John Crace in the Guardian made me laugh.
"We ended with Victoria Atkins and the fish. Vicky had a pet hake who was determined to gasp out his manifesto. “I, Harry the Hake, do solemnly declare that I will live and die British. I would rather be left to rot on the jetty than be fed to some Frenchie or Kraut. God save the queen. Sorry, king.” It had been that kind of a day." [Post edited 20 May 7:49]
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:48 - May 20 with 782 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:25 - May 20 by Herbivore |
It's not beneficial but nothing is materially changing from the status quo. I can see why they're unhappy with the length of the deal and why they'd rather have exclusive access to the fishing grounds as Johnson and others lied to them and said that would be a Brexit benefit, but when negotiating things that will benefit us there is always going to have to be concessions to the other side as well.
It's interesting that folks who have never given a toss about fishing communities are suddenly giving a toss about fishing communities, just like after the IHT changes folks who'd never cared a jot about farmers were suddenly advocates for the farming community. [Post edited 20 May 7:46]
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One thing completely missed on this thread is that our food industry now has to comply with all food regulations issued by the EU. This without any chance to have imput into what they say. If they dont comply then they will fall foul of the ECJ again.
The one thing the EU loves is to make regulations about food. I know, I used to work for 'em. |  | | |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:55 - May 20 with 756 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:48 - May 20 by flykickingbybgunn |
One thing completely missed on this thread is that our food industry now has to comply with all food regulations issued by the EU. This without any chance to have imput into what they say. If they dont comply then they will fall foul of the ECJ again.
The one thing the EU loves is to make regulations about food. I know, I used to work for 'em. |
Far better that than have no regulation as the US wants on their exports to us as part of the deal with them.
Why do we have no input into what those regulations are? Would that be because we chose to leave the EU? |  |
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:55 - May 20 with 751 views | Lord_Lucan |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:48 - May 20 by flykickingbybgunn |
One thing completely missed on this thread is that our food industry now has to comply with all food regulations issued by the EU. This without any chance to have imput into what they say. If they dont comply then they will fall foul of the ECJ again.
The one thing the EU loves is to make regulations about food. I know, I used to work for 'em. |
Yes, exactly, however I'm not in the least surprised no one has picked up on it.
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:56 - May 20 with 747 views | Churchman |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 20:03 - May 19 by Kievthegreat |
I'm sorry, but it's absurd and revisionist to try and pin a harder Brexit on the EU. Hard Brexit was a natural outcome of May's disastrous red lines and Soft Brexit was taken off the table by the UK government very early on.
Obviously the EU would always be tough to negotiate with, but that's because they had by far the stronger position to work from. That ensured that we had to fight hard for any deal and make concessions, but a soft Brexit would have actually been easier to negotiate as less would have changed in the relationship. Issue was the swivel eyed loons were already taking over he Tory party by that point and it would never have been ideologically pure enough for them. |
At its simplest level, soft Brexit meant retaining Customs Union and Single Market access - something the U.K. was actually instrumental in creating, but that’s conveniently forgotten.
To do that was economically preferable and would have saved £millions wasted on border infrastructure, solved the Northern Ireland issue overnight, reduced the threat of U.K. break up and enabled frictionless trade. It would also have allowed easy transit of agriproducts passing from Eire to the EU through the U.K. to continue - financially beneficial to all.
But even just these things would have made Brexit pointless - which of course it was.
You are right. The swivel eyed loons of the Tory party were never going to entertain anything less that the good ship Britain independently sailing off into the euro distance. That alone showed they had no idea how the economy worked, what our relationship with the EU actually was or what it might be. An antiquated Colonel Blimp view of the world.
Aside from it taking the Tory government two years to understand what Customs Union/the Single Market actually was it also sent in to negotiate blundering amateur night idiots. It’s little wonder it turned into an oven ready dogs dinner. They’d have been better off sending Larry the Cat to negotiate. He certainly knew as much as they did.
Were the EU kind and charitable in negotiating? Nope. Why should they have been? It was Brexiteer choice to p£ss in its own tent. Was the EU approach sensible? Not entirely. Because of political fear of break up, it took a hard line and imposed a lot of unnecessary cost on member countries.
One of the two highest risks with Brexit border planning (NI being the other) was what the EU, particularly France, would do. Nobody knew and it was something the U.K. had no control over. They could have made things much more difficult than they did. Potentially beyond nightmare bad and that reflected in contingency planning.
Now EU countries have seen how much Brexit has harmed the U.K., I don’t think there will be a repeat so it can now ease up a little, which is precisely what it is doing.
This deal with the EU is the first bit of sanity in this sorry mess in nine years. Hopefully it’ll lead to better arrangements and opportunities for all, including yoof exchange, Erasmus, research and defence. [Post edited 20 May 7:58]
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:56 - May 20 with 746 views | DJR |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:48 - May 20 by flykickingbybgunn |
One thing completely missed on this thread is that our food industry now has to comply with all food regulations issued by the EU. This without any chance to have imput into what they say. If they dont comply then they will fall foul of the ECJ again.
The one thing the EU loves is to make regulations about food. I know, I used to work for 'em. |
Only if they export though, but that is the case at the moment. Putting it another way, no country will import things which don't comply with its rules. It's why we don't accept chlorinated chicken from the States.
And of course if people don't like that they don't have to export but given that the majority of seafood we catch is not what we like to eat, that would not seem a sensible approach. [Post edited 20 May 7:58]
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:59 - May 20 with 733 views | Pinewoodblue |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:56 - May 20 by DJR |
Only if they export though, but that is the case at the moment. Putting it another way, no country will import things which don't comply with its rules. It's why we don't accept chlorinated chicken from the States.
And of course if people don't like that they don't have to export but given that the majority of seafood we catch is not what we like to eat, that would not seem a sensible approach. [Post edited 20 May 7:58]
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Not seen any mention of Ireland. Any impact on trade between Republic & North or between North & rest of UK? |  |
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:00 - May 20 with 730 views | Swansea_Blue |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:48 - May 20 by flykickingbybgunn |
One thing completely missed on this thread is that our food industry now has to comply with all food regulations issued by the EU. This without any chance to have imput into what they say. If they dont comply then they will fall foul of the ECJ again.
The one thing the EU loves is to make regulations about food. I know, I used to work for 'em. |
That’s fine. Their standards tend to be excellent. And it unlocks a LOT of better import/export opportunities. That’s the big win here; it’s rolling back some of the damage done by Johnson’s deal to make it easier to transport food, which in theory should mean we get more choices back and lower prices.
The SFF are never happy. They championed Brexit, moaned about the outcome, and now moan about this even though it vastly improves matters for their members who export directly. Sadly they swallowed the lies of the leave campaign to the detriment of fishermen. They seem to want something that’s undeliverable and live in a fantasy world. |  |
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:03 - May 20 with 713 views | Herbivore |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:48 - May 20 by flykickingbybgunn |
One thing completely missed on this thread is that our food industry now has to comply with all food regulations issued by the EU. This without any chance to have imput into what they say. If they dont comply then they will fall foul of the ECJ again.
The one thing the EU loves is to make regulations about food. I know, I used to work for 'em. |
This is not exactly surprising news, if you want to export to the EU they expect you to meet their standards and regulations. Nobody is forced to export to them but for those who do (who will already be meeting their regulations anyway) it makes things easier. | |
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:04 - May 20 with 716 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:55 - May 20 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Far better that than have no regulation as the US wants on their exports to us as part of the deal with them.
Why do we have no input into what those regulations are? Would that be because we chose to leave the EU? |
We have our own regulations which we have (now had) the chance to up grade/change as we see fit. We cant change the EU legislation because, as you say, of Brexit.
The Yank thing is a spurious argument. Any foodstuff coming in from America would have to comply with our regs both before and after this new agreement.
I notice the major supermarkets are all starting to say that they will only be taking British beef on the principal of supporting our farmers. | | | |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:04 - May 20 with 716 views | Churchman |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:48 - May 20 by flykickingbybgunn |
One thing completely missed on this thread is that our food industry now has to comply with all food regulations issued by the EU. This without any chance to have imput into what they say. If they dont comply then they will fall foul of the ECJ again.
The one thing the EU loves is to make regulations about food. I know, I used to work for 'em. |
I quite like regulations about food. You never know, it might just prevent farmers in this country gifting to the world another mad cow disease scenario. [Post edited 20 May 8:05]
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:06 - May 20 with 711 views | DJR |
"British fish for British workers" was never a thing anyway because much of the fish we like (cod, haddock) is not caught in British waters. [Post edited 20 May 8:06]
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:06 - May 20 with 696 views | Herbivore |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:00 - May 20 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s fine. Their standards tend to be excellent. And it unlocks a LOT of better import/export opportunities. That’s the big win here; it’s rolling back some of the damage done by Johnson’s deal to make it easier to transport food, which in theory should mean we get more choices back and lower prices.
The SFF are never happy. They championed Brexit, moaned about the outcome, and now moan about this even though it vastly improves matters for their members who export directly. Sadly they swallowed the lies of the leave campaign to the detriment of fishermen. They seem to want something that’s undeliverable and live in a fantasy world. |
Some are still living in a fantasy world when it comes to Brexit. You can see it in the reaction to this. We make a concession on fishing rights (effectively a continuation of what is happening currently) and people start calling it a betrayal, as though we can do a deal that only benefits us with no concessions made that benefit the EU too. | |
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:12 - May 20 with 691 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:04 - May 20 by flykickingbybgunn |
We have our own regulations which we have (now had) the chance to up grade/change as we see fit. We cant change the EU legislation because, as you say, of Brexit.
The Yank thing is a spurious argument. Any foodstuff coming in from America would have to comply with our regs both before and after this new agreement.
I notice the major supermarkets are all starting to say that they will only be taking British beef on the principal of supporting our farmers. |
"The Yank thing is a spurious argument. Any foodstuff coming in from America would have to comply with our regs both before and after this new agreement."
This is the issue. If we concede to their demands it would mean them dictating that we changed our regulations. Would we change them for our own industry or make a special exemption for their products? And supermarkets clearly selling British produce is one thing but it won't stop fast food oulets and processed food products using the imported meat.
Similar to not being able to change the EU regulations, we cannot change those of any other export market, although we did once have a say in the EU ones. | |
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:14 - May 20 with 687 views | Lord_Lucan |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:04 - May 20 by Churchman |
I quite like regulations about food. You never know, it might just prevent farmers in this country gifting to the world another mad cow disease scenario. [Post edited 20 May 8:05]
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Although Mad Cow may not be the best analogy when you consider how France covered it up. | |
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:14 - May 20 with 685 views | redrickstuhaart |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 07:48 - May 20 by flykickingbybgunn |
One thing completely missed on this thread is that our food industry now has to comply with all food regulations issued by the EU. This without any chance to have imput into what they say. If they dont comply then they will fall foul of the ECJ again.
The one thing the EU loves is to make regulations about food. I know, I used to work for 'em. |
So, in order to get free flowing trade we have to have goods that meet the people with whom we are trading's standards?
Doesn't seem unreasonable....
Painting this as some sort of surrender is absurd. Its a proactive choice. Also potentially protects us from some of the American nonsense we might otherwise be receiving.... |  | | |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:17 - May 20 with 667 views | Herbivore |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:04 - May 20 by flykickingbybgunn |
We have our own regulations which we have (now had) the chance to up grade/change as we see fit. We cant change the EU legislation because, as you say, of Brexit.
The Yank thing is a spurious argument. Any foodstuff coming in from America would have to comply with our regs both before and after this new agreement.
I notice the major supermarkets are all starting to say that they will only be taking British beef on the principal of supporting our farmers. |
Then isn't your argument also spurious? If the Americans can't export to us if they don't meet our regulations and they also can't shape our regulations, isn't it entirely right that the same applies to our exporters wanting to export into the EU? | |
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:20 - May 20 with 667 views | Churchman |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:14 - May 20 by Lord_Lucan |
Although Mad Cow may not be the best analogy when you consider how France covered it up. |
I thought it originated here. A proud export. Fair point re France covering it up though - they’ve always errr, suited themselves.
https://www.cdc.gov/mad-cow/php/animal-health/index.html | | | |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:24 - May 20 with 645 views | Lord_Lucan |
I think Ben Gummers sister proved beyond doubt that BSE was not a thing. | |
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:25 - May 20 with 644 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:14 - May 20 by Lord_Lucan |
Although Mad Cow may not be the best analogy when you consider how France covered it up. |
We covered it up too.
Mad cow disease is like dementia for cows.
We got past that by only slaughtering cattle, for human consumption, under 30 months old.
A bit like killing all humans on their 30th birthday to get rid of dimentia. [Post edited 20 May 8:26]
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:31 - May 20 with 620 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:25 - May 20 by flykickingbybgunn |
We covered it up too.
Mad cow disease is like dementia for cows.
We got past that by only slaughtering cattle, for human consumption, under 30 months old.
A bit like killing all humans on their 30th birthday to get rid of dimentia. [Post edited 20 May 8:26]
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I'm sorry somebody did not like that comment but I was an Animal Health Inspector at the time and saw what was happening. | | | |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:32 - May 20 with 616 views | redrickstuhaart |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:25 - May 20 by flykickingbybgunn |
We covered it up too.
Mad cow disease is like dementia for cows.
We got past that by only slaughtering cattle, for human consumption, under 30 months old.
A bit like killing all humans on their 30th birthday to get rid of dimentia. [Post edited 20 May 8:26]
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Thats a fundamentally flawed analogy given that dementia is an old age thing and BSE was not. | | | |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:34 - May 20 with 614 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:31 - May 20 by flykickingbybgunn |
I'm sorry somebody did not like that comment but I was an Animal Health Inspector at the time and saw what was happening. |
My downvote was mainly for your crass equivalence of BSE to dementia. If you want the equivalent in humans it is CJD. Your qualifications as an Animal Health Inspector clearly didn't involve medical qualifications.
Your disgusting final comment was an additional cause for the downvote. | |
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| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:41 - May 20 with 605 views | Swansea_Blue |
| A day when everyone is happy politics wise? on 08:06 - May 20 by DJR |
"British fish for British workers" was never a thing anyway because much of the fish we like (cod, haddock) is not caught in British waters. [Post edited 20 May 8:06]
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Ah, they might not be swimming in British waters, but they’re definitely British fish. Real patriotic fishes. None of these WOKE foreign types. | |
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