| Tuchel - very much the FA's man 11:16 - May 24 with 1365 views | Zx1988 |
All goes to show why certain names have never ended up in the role over the years.
The FA will always want someone who'll select players based on where they're playing, rather than whether they should be picked.
By the by I'm inclined to agree with Delap's non-selection this time around, but it seems as if Tuchel has very much said the quiet part out loud. |  |
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| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 11:19 - May 24 with 1335 views | Jrm_72 |
Championship too low brow for selection, yet Toney plays in a pub league and that's fine... | | | |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 11:21 - May 24 with 1299 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Why? What has he said? See EDIT below. I don't think previous managers have been afraid to pick players from outside the top 6 clubs or from abroad either. Of course players who have played in big matches more often will have shown their ability to play with the pressure. That's a big reason why Man Utd needed to win the European trophy to attract Delap.
EDIT: I see the quote you mean. You think it surprising he would want players to have shown their ability in the Premier League and he is saying that he hasn't done that enough yet? This is why, even without the clause in his contract, Delap was never going to cost a club much more than £30M this summer. Maybe we could have added sell-on clauses etc, though. [Post edited 24 May 11:37]
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| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 11:30 - May 24 with 1248 views | bluefunk |
You’ve seen the step up required to be successful in the PL, Delap isn’t going to progress playing in the Championship, where he won’t be up against international quality defending. While I don’t really like to see an England manager agitating for a player to move, it’s hardly news to anyone Delap is going to move. |  | | |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 11:45 - May 24 with 1190 views | Zx1988 |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 11:21 - May 24 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Why? What has he said? See EDIT below. I don't think previous managers have been afraid to pick players from outside the top 6 clubs or from abroad either. Of course players who have played in big matches more often will have shown their ability to play with the pressure. That's a big reason why Man Utd needed to win the European trophy to attract Delap.
EDIT: I see the quote you mean. You think it surprising he would want players to have shown their ability in the Premier League and he is saying that he hasn't done that enough yet? This is why, even without the clause in his contract, Delap was never going to cost a club much more than £30M this summer. Maybe we could have added sell-on clauses etc, though. [Post edited 24 May 11:37]
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I do see where you're coming from.
However, had Delap had exactly the same season with an established PL side, I reckon he'd have been capped by now. | |
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| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 11:54 - May 24 with 1153 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 11:45 - May 24 by Zx1988 |
I do see where you're coming from.
However, had Delap had exactly the same season with an established PL side, I reckon he'd have been capped by now. |
I disagree.
Can you name any player who got capped for England after playing 1 season or less and scoring 12 goals or fewer with only 2 assists as a striker?
I think Michael Owen had less experience but he had scored a lot of goals and looked a class above in a successful Liverpool team. And if you are going back that far, Steve Bull played with only 1 appearance in the top flight playing for Wolves in the second tier. | |
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| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 12:02 - May 24 with 1112 views | SitfcB |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 11:54 - May 24 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I disagree.
Can you name any player who got capped for England after playing 1 season or less and scoring 12 goals or fewer with only 2 assists as a striker?
I think Michael Owen had less experience but he had scored a lot of goals and looked a class above in a successful Liverpool team. And if you are going back that far, Steve Bull played with only 1 appearance in the top flight playing for Wolves in the second tier. |
Myles Lewis-Skelly made about 5 appearances before getting a call up. |  |
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| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 12:14 - May 24 with 1061 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 12:02 - May 24 by SitfcB |
Myles Lewis-Skelly made about 5 appearances before getting a call up. |
Fair enough, although there was a shortage of left backs available at the time wasn't there? Would people feel that someone else from a lesser club should have been picked ahead of him? | |
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| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 12:22 - May 24 with 1027 views | nrb1985 |
Lol.
You are aware Tuchel has fallen out with almost every club he’s ever been at and left in a blaze of glory?!
I love Tuchel but he’s volatile and anything but a yes man.
A very poorly researched post this. | | | |
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| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 12:26 - May 24 with 1018 views | Smoresy |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 12:14 - May 24 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Fair enough, although there was a shortage of left backs available at the time wasn't there? Would people feel that someone else from a lesser club should have been picked ahead of him? |
Doubt it, Lewis-Skelly has a strong case for being the best English LB this season. Meanwhile Delap is clearly behind Kane and Watkins right now, probably Solanke and Toney too.
If Tuchel finds himself foraging in the Championship to fill his England squads then something's gone very wrong! | | | |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 12:29 - May 24 with 993 views | JackNorthStand |
Wasn’t David Nugent selected whilst in the championship? Not often is it but possible well should be | | | |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 12:37 - May 24 with 968 views | tonybied |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 12:26 - May 24 by Smoresy |
Doubt it, Lewis-Skelly has a strong case for being the best English LB this season. Meanwhile Delap is clearly behind Kane and Watkins right now, probably Solanke and Toney too.
If Tuchel finds himself foraging in the Championship to fill his England squads then something's gone very wrong! |
Toney only had 2 full seasons in the PL, didn't play for one of the big 6 in any high profile games and now plays in a league that's probably the equivalent to League 2 quality, but is seen as more worthy than Delap? That's also not taking in to account his rather dodgy decisions off the field too. Madness!
For the record, I'm happy he hasn't been called up for a full cap, this would no doubt mean that we'd owe Citeh another handful of cash, lessening our profit on his departure. |  | | |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 12:40 - May 24 with 955 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 12:26 - May 24 by Smoresy |
Doubt it, Lewis-Skelly has a strong case for being the best English LB this season. Meanwhile Delap is clearly behind Kane and Watkins right now, probably Solanke and Toney too.
If Tuchel finds himself foraging in the Championship to fill his England squads then something's gone very wrong! |
Sorry, how's he behind Solanke and Toney? He's scored more Premiership goals than Solanke despite playing in a relegated team, and I kicked a ball back to some drunk lads in the park the other day and in doing so was immediately playing at a higher level than Toney is. | | | |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 13:07 - May 24 with 848 views | Smoresy |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 12:40 - May 24 by FoghornGleghorn |
Sorry, how's he behind Solanke and Toney? He's scored more Premiership goals than Solanke despite playing in a relegated team, and I kicked a ball back to some drunk lads in the park the other day and in doing so was immediately playing at a higher level than Toney is. |
Toney was excellent for Brentford in the PL across three seasons, probably their best player. Sure he left for the money last summer but Delap hasn't surpassed the level that Toney signed off at, not yet. Also, while not wanting to champion the Saudi Pro League, it does still contain a host of players who are much more talented than found in the Championship.
Onto Solanke, he scored 19 goals in the PL last season. He was one of Bournemouth's best players. He's had a stop-start campaign with injuries this season but has he been bad? Looking up his numbers now, 15 goals and 8 assists in 44 games. 8 goals and 3 assists in 26 PL games. I'm not sure Delap's shown enough over the season to prove he's already a higher calibre player.
*In their last Championship seasons, Ivan scored 33 goals and assisted 10, Dom scored 29 goals and assisted 7. Think that emphasises why Tuchel is only interested in what these players can do at elite level; Div 2 is just too easy. [Post edited 24 May 13:17]
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| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 13:25 - May 24 with 777 views | J2BLUE |
This has been something virtually every England manager has said. |  |
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| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 13:26 - May 24 with 770 views | Chrisd |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 12:02 - May 24 by SitfcB |
Myles Lewis-Skelly made about 5 appearances before getting a call up. |
And he looks very good too. So, not really a surprise. | |
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| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 13:28 - May 24 with 760 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 13:07 - May 24 by Smoresy |
Toney was excellent for Brentford in the PL across three seasons, probably their best player. Sure he left for the money last summer but Delap hasn't surpassed the level that Toney signed off at, not yet. Also, while not wanting to champion the Saudi Pro League, it does still contain a host of players who are much more talented than found in the Championship.
Onto Solanke, he scored 19 goals in the PL last season. He was one of Bournemouth's best players. He's had a stop-start campaign with injuries this season but has he been bad? Looking up his numbers now, 15 goals and 8 assists in 44 games. 8 goals and 3 assists in 26 PL games. I'm not sure Delap's shown enough over the season to prove he's already a higher calibre player.
*In their last Championship seasons, Ivan scored 33 goals and assisted 10, Dom scored 29 goals and assisted 7. Think that emphasises why Tuchel is only interested in what these players can do at elite level; Div 2 is just too easy. [Post edited 24 May 13:17]
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Sure, but Tuchel's comment about Liam needing to "find a chance to still compete in the Premier League" before he's considered indicates that it's not about the level players signed off at but the level they're playing now, which he then entirely contradicts by picking Toney. Arguably a competitive game against the might of Andorra and a subsequent friendly might have been a good chance to test whether Solanke and Liam were up to it. But oh well - as someone else highlighted, it might have just saved us owing Man City an add-on fee. [Post edited 24 May 13:29]
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| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 15:03 - May 24 with 629 views | Smoresy |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 13:28 - May 24 by FoghornGleghorn |
Sure, but Tuchel's comment about Liam needing to "find a chance to still compete in the Premier League" before he's considered indicates that it's not about the level players signed off at but the level they're playing now, which he then entirely contradicts by picking Toney. Arguably a competitive game against the might of Andorra and a subsequent friendly might have been a good chance to test whether Solanke and Liam were up to it. But oh well - as someone else highlighted, it might have just saved us owing Man City an add-on fee. [Post edited 24 May 13:29]
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See your point though I think it rather points to Delap still needing a bit to prove, whereas others have already cleared the first and second hurdles. Saka and Rice could decide to join us in July for a change of scene and would still be selected, unless a handful of others began to seriously pull up trees, because they are known qualities in elite footy.
If Delap can repeat his early season form next year then I'm sure he'll get the call. We've had live debates in the second half over whether Hirst should be starting ahead of him! | | | |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 15:12 - May 24 with 607 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 12:29 - May 24 by JackNorthStand |
Wasn’t David Nugent selected whilst in the championship? Not often is it but possible well should be |
Yep, and probably the best goal to games ratio for any England striker… | | | |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 15:29 - May 24 with 562 views | blueoxford |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 15:03 - May 24 by Smoresy |
See your point though I think it rather points to Delap still needing a bit to prove, whereas others have already cleared the first and second hurdles. Saka and Rice could decide to join us in July for a change of scene and would still be selected, unless a handful of others began to seriously pull up trees, because they are known qualities in elite footy.
If Delap can repeat his early season form next year then I'm sure he'll get the call. We've had live debates in the second half over whether Hirst should be starting ahead of him! |
I suspect that Delap would have been in this squad over Toney if it wasn’t for the U21 tournament this summer. He trained with the full squad last time round. They know what he can do. Just a shame he won’t make his England debut whilst a Town player. His next choice of club is key however… | | | |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 17:48 - May 24 with 395 views | Radlett_blue |
| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 13:28 - May 24 by FoghornGleghorn |
Sure, but Tuchel's comment about Liam needing to "find a chance to still compete in the Premier League" before he's considered indicates that it's not about the level players signed off at but the level they're playing now, which he then entirely contradicts by picking Toney. Arguably a competitive game against the might of Andorra and a subsequent friendly might have been a good chance to test whether Solanke and Liam were up to it. But oh well - as someone else highlighted, it might have just saved us owing Man City an add-on fee. [Post edited 24 May 13:29]
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I doubt anyone will learn much about the capability of England players from 90 minutes against pub team Andorra & half a friendly game against Senegal. |  |
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| Tuchel - very much the FA's man on 17:53 - May 24 with 379 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Palace had the most players in the squad for the Germany last summer. |  | | |
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