| Winter Fuel Payment 16:22 - May 24 with 1007 views | onceablue |
So Keir Starmer looks like he is going to reverse his decision on this
His excuse - apparently now the country can afford it.
Nothing to do with getting your arse kicked in the recent elections
This man has lost all integrity and credibility |  | | |  |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 16:46 - May 24 with 937 views | Pinewoodblue |
He isn’t going to reverse his decision just find a way of making the payment to more people.
If he reversed the decision it would be paid to every pensioner and that is never going to happen. |  |
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| Winter Fuel Payment on 16:52 - May 24 with 915 views | J2BLUE |
You criticised them taking it away. You're criticising them giving it back.
You have no credibility. |  |
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| Winter Fuel Payment on 16:52 - May 24 with 910 views | Zx1988 |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 16:52 - May 24 by J2BLUE |
You criticised them taking it away. You're criticising them giving it back.
You have no credibility. |
"Starmer did exactly what I demended he do. He's terrible." | |
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| Winter Fuel Payment on 17:16 - May 24 with 841 views | BlueBadger |
How do you feel about Sheffield United being in the Championship alongside the three relegated teams? |  |
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| Winter Fuel Payment on 17:18 - May 24 with 828 views | backwaywhen |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 16:52 - May 24 by Zx1988 |
"Starmer did exactly what I demended he do. He's terrible." |
Vote Labour vote for change …….change his mind Starmer lol. | | | |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 17:27 - May 24 with 808 views | OldFart71 |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 16:46 - May 24 by Pinewoodblue |
He isn’t going to reverse his decision just find a way of making the payment to more people.
If he reversed the decision it would be paid to every pensioner and that is never going to happen. |
Neither should he make wfp to all pensioners. But I have other ways to make things fairer. Whilst I have no axe to grind with people who earn or receive more than I do there has to be a limit where the wfp is not given to those that earn or receive above a certain amount.
I do think that free prescription for people aged 60 should stop, unless the receiver has ongoing health problems that demand constant medication.
I think that N.I. should be paid by those that continue to work beyond their official retirement age.
I think that the £10 Christmas bonus should either be scrapped completely or for those on lower incomes it is increased but not given to higher paid retirees, say those above £35,000.
I also believe that a pensioners taxable income should be raised as currently someone getting only a few pounds above the current £12,570 is taxed. This should be raised to £18,000 in line with the take home of a person on the minimum wage working a 38 hour week excluding tax and N.I. they would pay. | | | |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 17:38 - May 24 with 775 views | Radlett_blue |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 17:27 - May 24 by OldFart71 |
Neither should he make wfp to all pensioners. But I have other ways to make things fairer. Whilst I have no axe to grind with people who earn or receive more than I do there has to be a limit where the wfp is not given to those that earn or receive above a certain amount.
I do think that free prescription for people aged 60 should stop, unless the receiver has ongoing health problems that demand constant medication.
I think that N.I. should be paid by those that continue to work beyond their official retirement age.
I think that the £10 Christmas bonus should either be scrapped completely or for those on lower incomes it is increased but not given to higher paid retirees, say those above £35,000.
I also believe that a pensioners taxable income should be raised as currently someone getting only a few pounds above the current £12,570 is taxed. This should be raised to £18,000 in line with the take home of a person on the minimum wage working a 38 hour week excluding tax and N.I. they would pay. |
Most of the silly "add-ons" such as the £10 Xmas bonus should never have been started in the first place because removing them invariably creates a political storm on the internet.
The problem with WFP is that restricting them to those receiving Pension Credit is administratively simple; identifying a lower bar of means testing isn't & that's why we haven't had any detail yet. |  |
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| Winter Fuel Payment on 17:41 - May 24 with 768 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
He’s already in shambles, which is no surprise. |  | | |
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| Winter Fuel Payment on 18:09 - May 24 with 721 views | mutters |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 16:52 - May 24 by J2BLUE |
You criticised them taking it away. You're criticising them giving it back.
You have no credibility. |
Or they've realised that they have ballsed up here when to comes to voters.
Lets be clear here this isn't some change ideological change of heart, it's because labour have been hit hard at the ballot box, so they are having to change their tack.
In some respects, I respect somebody who can admit that they've made a mistake and are willing undo their mistake, or he has realised that his party are incredibly unpopular when they should be flying based on the reputation of the previous incumbents and needs to try and win people back over.
It's amazing how far Labour have fallen so quickly when it could and should have been so different.
British politics is screwed at the moment, and with Reform looming I truly fear the current direction of travel |  |
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| Winter Fuel Payment on 18:24 - May 24 with 676 views | Radlett_blue |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 18:09 - May 24 by mutters |
Or they've realised that they have ballsed up here when to comes to voters.
Lets be clear here this isn't some change ideological change of heart, it's because labour have been hit hard at the ballot box, so they are having to change their tack.
In some respects, I respect somebody who can admit that they've made a mistake and are willing undo their mistake, or he has realised that his party are incredibly unpopular when they should be flying based on the reputation of the previous incumbents and needs to try and win people back over.
It's amazing how far Labour have fallen so quickly when it could and should have been so different.
British politics is screwed at the moment, and with Reform looming I truly fear the current direction of travel |
Governments typically impose their most unpopular measures early on in the electoral cycle & I reckon that is what Labour is doing. To my mind, they shouldn't be panicking as whether they win the next election will be largely determined by how the economy is doing at the time. The Tories are in complete disarray & I doubt Reform can win enough seats in a General Election to bed a threat. | |
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| Winter Fuel Payment on 20:23 - May 24 with 565 views | mutters |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 18:24 - May 24 by Radlett_blue |
Governments typically impose their most unpopular measures early on in the electoral cycle & I reckon that is what Labour is doing. To my mind, they shouldn't be panicking as whether they win the next election will be largely determined by how the economy is doing at the time. The Tories are in complete disarray & I doubt Reform can win enough seats in a General Election to bed a threat. |
I was saying the same to a mate a while ago, if they are going to do stuff that is unpopular and annoys the electorate then do it early so you have time to rebuild trust. It does feel like nowadays it's harder to get away with due to social media l/internet always bringing stuff back up that years (decades) ago would have faded more from public memory. | |
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| Winter Fuel Payment on 07:57 - May 25 with 366 views | onceablue |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 16:52 - May 24 by J2BLUE |
You criticised them taking it away. You're criticising them giving it back.
You have no credibility. |
I am glad he is giving more pensioners the payment.
I criticised the lies he told in reversing his decision ie, the country can afford it now😂😂
The above is rubbish the reason he has changed his mind is because they lost their 17th safest seat to reform
All political parties have lied in the past but didnt this Labour government promise they were going to change the face of politics for ever with their honesty and integrity | | | |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 08:05 - May 25 with 336 views | NedPlimpton |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 17:18 - May 24 by backwaywhen |
Vote Labour vote for change …….change his mind Starmer lol. |
I bet that sounded hilarious in your head |  | | |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 08:55 - May 25 with 297 views | OldFart71 |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 17:38 - May 24 by Radlett_blue |
Most of the silly "add-ons" such as the £10 Xmas bonus should never have been started in the first place because removing them invariably creates a political storm on the internet.
The problem with WFP is that restricting them to those receiving Pension Credit is administratively simple; identifying a lower bar of means testing isn't & that's why we haven't had any detail yet. |
The Christmas bonus when first introduced in 1972 when the average wage was just above £36. Therefore it was worth nearly a third of a weeks wages. If that criteria was applied today it would be £240. There lays the crux of the matter. Applied to all pensioners although in the grand scheme of things the amount is small it still runs into many millions.
But for a large swathe of pensioners you couldn't even get a couple of pints of beer.
As for who gets paid WFP it cannot be that difficult to determine whether a person qualifies or not. It could be linked to a persons personal tax code.
Really it's all to do with fairness. Added to that you can never have an equal society. You always have to have chiefs and Indians.
Little thought goes into what government seems to do these days. It's all knee jerk reaction.
It was only when Starmer and his cronies found that they'd been wiped out in local elections that they decided it was WFP that had caused this.
Whilst it had a bearing on results it was far more than that.
No grip on illegals coming in. Stupid policies regarding net zero. Throwing money at everything whilst claiming they would get a grip on the counties finances.
Hammering companies with N.I. and higher minimum wages. Giving in to all and sundry with regards to wage increases leading to higher inflation therefore slowing the rate of interest rate cuts meaning mortgage payments along with everything else is costing more.
Taking in an extra 5 billion in taxes, but still spending nearly 2 billion more than expected.
Virtually nobody thinking Starmer is the right man for the job and Angela Rayner thinking she'd make a good PM. That has to be the most laughable of all Labours ideas. | | | |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 14:15 - May 25 with 120 views | J2BLUE |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 08:55 - May 25 by OldFart71 |
The Christmas bonus when first introduced in 1972 when the average wage was just above £36. Therefore it was worth nearly a third of a weeks wages. If that criteria was applied today it would be £240. There lays the crux of the matter. Applied to all pensioners although in the grand scheme of things the amount is small it still runs into many millions.
But for a large swathe of pensioners you couldn't even get a couple of pints of beer.
As for who gets paid WFP it cannot be that difficult to determine whether a person qualifies or not. It could be linked to a persons personal tax code.
Really it's all to do with fairness. Added to that you can never have an equal society. You always have to have chiefs and Indians.
Little thought goes into what government seems to do these days. It's all knee jerk reaction.
It was only when Starmer and his cronies found that they'd been wiped out in local elections that they decided it was WFP that had caused this.
Whilst it had a bearing on results it was far more than that.
No grip on illegals coming in. Stupid policies regarding net zero. Throwing money at everything whilst claiming they would get a grip on the counties finances.
Hammering companies with N.I. and higher minimum wages. Giving in to all and sundry with regards to wage increases leading to higher inflation therefore slowing the rate of interest rate cuts meaning mortgage payments along with everything else is costing more.
Taking in an extra 5 billion in taxes, but still spending nearly 2 billion more than expected.
Virtually nobody thinking Starmer is the right man for the job and Angela Rayner thinking she'd make a good PM. That has to be the most laughable of all Labours ideas. |
People deserve a fair wage | |
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| Winter Fuel Payment on 14:45 - May 25 with 64 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 17:27 - May 24 by OldFart71 |
Neither should he make wfp to all pensioners. But I have other ways to make things fairer. Whilst I have no axe to grind with people who earn or receive more than I do there has to be a limit where the wfp is not given to those that earn or receive above a certain amount.
I do think that free prescription for people aged 60 should stop, unless the receiver has ongoing health problems that demand constant medication.
I think that N.I. should be paid by those that continue to work beyond their official retirement age.
I think that the £10 Christmas bonus should either be scrapped completely or for those on lower incomes it is increased but not given to higher paid retirees, say those above £35,000.
I also believe that a pensioners taxable income should be raised as currently someone getting only a few pounds above the current £12,570 is taxed. This should be raised to £18,000 in line with the take home of a person on the minimum wage working a 38 hour week excluding tax and N.I. they would pay. |
So you want less money for public sector workers, like nurses who saw their real-terms pay cut by around 25% under the previous Tory governments, but more money for pensioners who have had pension income protected by the triple lock.
Are you a Tory-voting pensioner by any chance?
And while I’m here:
- Asylum seekers are not “illegals”. The have legal status.
- Net Zero policies offer HUGE job creation and growth potential, unlike the more highly subsidised fossil fuel industries (plus the obvious benefit of more sustainable energy supply, improved energy security, cleaner environment)
- a big reason why some benefits are universal is the cost and complexity of means-testing everything |  |
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| Winter Fuel Payment on 14:53 - May 25 with 48 views | Swansea_Blue |
You’re right onceablue. It’s a PR disaster by Starmer who’s running scared of Farage.
I wonder what damage this is doing within the party. If McSweeney is the supposed brains behind Labour’s start, surely he’s now on thin ice. And won’t the pit Starmer and Reeves against each other?
It’s the right thing to reverse (or partially reverse) the decision, but he should never have made it in the first place. Now he (or Reeves) have got an additional headache of trying to find a way to means test it fairly if as he says he doesn’t want the richest pensioners to get it. It’s a mess entirely of their own making. They’ve got enough broken systems and things to fix without adding more to the list. | |
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| Winter Fuel Payment on 15:00 - May 25 with 42 views | mutters |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 14:53 - May 25 by Swansea_Blue |
You’re right onceablue. It’s a PR disaster by Starmer who’s running scared of Farage.
I wonder what damage this is doing within the party. If McSweeney is the supposed brains behind Labour’s start, surely he’s now on thin ice. And won’t the pit Starmer and Reeves against each other?
It’s the right thing to reverse (or partially reverse) the decision, but he should never have made it in the first place. Now he (or Reeves) have got an additional headache of trying to find a way to means test it fairly if as he says he doesn’t want the richest pensioners to get it. It’s a mess entirely of their own making. They’ve got enough broken systems and things to fix without adding more to the list. |
It's seemed a weird thing to go after, bearing in mind the mess that they inherited. At the time the amount seemed so inconsequential, that surely they had bigger fish to fry. Likewise VAT on private schools. When you looked at the numbers (cost of educating a child per annum in the state school Vs the potential VAT reclaimed per child) it didn't make sense. Ideologically maybe, but the numbers really didn't compute.
Feels like this policies should be the addons, not th core more influential changes a new government should be doing once they gain office | |
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| Winter Fuel Payment on 15:18 - May 25 with 25 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Winter Fuel Payment on 15:00 - May 25 by mutters |
It's seemed a weird thing to go after, bearing in mind the mess that they inherited. At the time the amount seemed so inconsequential, that surely they had bigger fish to fry. Likewise VAT on private schools. When you looked at the numbers (cost of educating a child per annum in the state school Vs the potential VAT reclaimed per child) it didn't make sense. Ideologically maybe, but the numbers really didn't compute.
Feels like this policies should be the addons, not th core more influential changes a new government should be doing once they gain office |
Agreed. It’s not even as if they’re easy wins. I can’t make much sense out of them. They’re not behaving in a way I’d expect of old Labour, nor Blair’s Labour.
They’re not really anything in a political sense. Very little ideology, disconnected policies. It’s hard to find something to get behind. I hope they can find a bit of a clearer path forward, as I’m convinced people need some positive policies that give them hope. Rather than the spiteful stuff aimed at winning over Farage fans. | |
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