| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do 16:01 - May 27 with 1875 views | Garv |
'That' refereeing decision at OT on Sunday, for me, was a triumph for football.
How good was it to see a referee making an honest decision, in real time, and VAR be completely powerless to do anything about it? It should have been celebrated.
Apparently the ref in question has split his time between Championship and PL games this season, which may explain why he didn't instinctively let play continue and then let VAR have a look if needed. It can't be easy having to completely change the way you officiate a game depending on what league you're doing.
Don't know about anyone else but I felt it was almost a nice throwback, and the fact there's been so much controversy about it when some other things in the game - particularly diving and play acting - go basically unchallenged, is a disgrace. Some front of Villa to formally complain about it as well despite openly admitting they played poorly and United deserved the win. |  |
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| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 16:05 - May 27 with 1803 views | portmanking |
Why was getting the decision wrong a triumph for football?
If anything, it was the perfect use case for VAR - the ball was never in both of the keeper's hands i.e. the goal should've stood. |  | | |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 16:08 - May 27 with 1774 views | RonFearonsHair |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 16:05 - May 27 by portmanking |
Why was getting the decision wrong a triumph for football?
If anything, it was the perfect use case for VAR - the ball was never in both of the keeper's hands i.e. the goal should've stood. |
I thought the replays showed the striker stood on the keeper’s hand so it was correctly disallowed? |  | | |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 16:13 - May 27 with 1733 views | JakeITFC |
It's a good example of how the PGMOL have tied themselves in knots over the use of video for me. They seem to have the idea in their head that the most important thing to protect is that the on-field decision is final but I think most people (fans, players, clubs and perhaps even the refs themselves) would just prefer decisions to be right.
I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that a review system would work a lot better - have offsides and goal line tech as black and white things that are reviewed from afar, but for everything else have the manager be allowed one review a half or something like that. The challenge happens, the ref looks at a screen and there is no need for a second opinion from an external referee at all. |  | | |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 16:21 - May 27 with 1660 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Triumph for football?
No it was just ironic because VAR could have easily corrected it quickly but just shows the limitation of human reactions and technology when using them together. It was a bad mistake, they let offsides run for about 90 seconds, here he could have blown for the free kick (if that’s what he saw) about 5 seconds later and it would been corrected with a goal awarded to Villa.
What a bizarre take! [Post edited 27 May 16:24]
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| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 16:23 - May 27 with 1635 views | Swailsey |
Bit of a strange take - it was an awful decision. No victories here. |  |
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| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 16:24 - May 27 with 1627 views | Funge |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 16:13 - May 27 by JakeITFC |
It's a good example of how the PGMOL have tied themselves in knots over the use of video for me. They seem to have the idea in their head that the most important thing to protect is that the on-field decision is final but I think most people (fans, players, clubs and perhaps even the refs themselves) would just prefer decisions to be right.
I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that a review system would work a lot better - have offsides and goal line tech as black and white things that are reviewed from afar, but for everything else have the manager be allowed one review a half or something like that. The challenge happens, the ref looks at a screen and there is no need for a second opinion from an external referee at all. |
I think yours is a good idea.
Ideally there would be no VAR at all, the referee's decision would be final, and we would all denigrate Andy D'Urso in the pub after the game for hours - but your idea is, perhaps, the best work-around of a crappy situation. |  | | |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 16:53 - May 27 with 1456 views | BseaBlue |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 16:13 - May 27 by JakeITFC |
It's a good example of how the PGMOL have tied themselves in knots over the use of video for me. They seem to have the idea in their head that the most important thing to protect is that the on-field decision is final but I think most people (fans, players, clubs and perhaps even the refs themselves) would just prefer decisions to be right.
I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that a review system would work a lot better - have offsides and goal line tech as black and white things that are reviewed from afar, but for everything else have the manager be allowed one review a half or something like that. The challenge happens, the ref looks at a screen and there is no need for a second opinion from an external referee at all. |
Quite sensible thinking as that then puts the responsibility back on to the clubs/management at the time.
I'd like to see referees use the technology as a fail safe to check decisions. Umpires in cricket and referees in rugby will refer through to check the video if they are unsure about something. I thought that if you gave referees the option of checking a decision, it might take the pressure off them a bit when making big calls.
For example, a player goes down in the box and the ref thinks its a foul but the attacking player goes down easily. He gives the signal that he is going to check it on the monitor but the decision was a penalty. He can then validate this or overturn his call rather than making a definite black/white decision at the time. |  | | |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 17:09 - May 27 with 1366 views | textbackup |
How much has that decision potentially cost Villa? £100m?
Not sure they’ll see it that way 😂 |  |
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| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 17:11 - May 27 with 1349 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 17:09 - May 27 by textbackup |
How much has that decision potentially cost Villa? £100m?
Not sure they’ll see it that way 😂 |
Martinez got sent off for a rugby tackle, and everyone is jumping on the disallowed goal as being to blame.
Villa were cr4p at the weekend, and may well have lost anyway.
Lets not forget they conceded two goals.
Its a 38 match season, if players / managers / owners / fans cant accept that mistakes happen, then they are in the wrong game.
Onwards and upwards. |  |
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| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 17:17 - May 27 with 1313 views | vilanovablue |
Rather than a triumph I thought it was the perfect representation of what's wrong with VAR. The whistle being blown meant the goal couldn't be considered even though it was perfectly legitimate. If you are using VAR, I would like to think that the whistle at that point becomes redundant in the decision making process particularly in cases where the ref has made a mistake. |  | | |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 17:19 - May 27 with 1299 views | textbackup |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 17:11 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Martinez got sent off for a rugby tackle, and everyone is jumping on the disallowed goal as being to blame.
Villa were cr4p at the weekend, and may well have lost anyway.
Lets not forget they conceded two goals.
Its a 38 match season, if players / managers / owners / fans cant accept that mistakes happen, then they are in the wrong game.
Onwards and upwards. |
I’ve not seen anything of the game, only that disallowed goal.
Good points, well made. | |
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| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 17:26 - May 27 with 1271 views | JakeITFC |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 16:24 - May 27 by Funge |
I think yours is a good idea.
Ideally there would be no VAR at all, the referee's decision would be final, and we would all denigrate Andy D'Urso in the pub after the game for hours - but your idea is, perhaps, the best work-around of a crappy situation. |
Yeah, for the avoidance of doubt my overwhelming preference is to scrap VAR and send any referee who has sat in a commentary box or tv studio on a first class flight to the surface of the sun. | | | |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 17:31 - May 27 with 1247 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 17:17 - May 27 by vilanovablue |
Rather than a triumph I thought it was the perfect representation of what's wrong with VAR. The whistle being blown meant the goal couldn't be considered even though it was perfectly legitimate. If you are using VAR, I would like to think that the whistle at that point becomes redundant in the decision making process particularly in cases where the ref has made a mistake. |
That wouldn't work, the whistle stops play. It's on the refs to not immediately blow, especially when there is a goal scoring opportunity. | | | |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 18:27 - May 27 with 1070 views | Radlett_blue |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 17:17 - May 27 by vilanovablue |
Rather than a triumph I thought it was the perfect representation of what's wrong with VAR. The whistle being blown meant the goal couldn't be considered even though it was perfectly legitimate. If you are using VAR, I would like to think that the whistle at that point becomes redundant in the decision making process particularly in cases where the ref has made a mistake. |
It shows how poor the implementation of VAR has been. The main point of VAR was to overturn important, incorrect decisions & they then come up with a protocol which meant that a clear & obvious error (which 95% think it was) isn't overturned. |  |
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| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 20:39 - May 27 with 916 views | Garv |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 17:17 - May 27 by vilanovablue |
Rather than a triumph I thought it was the perfect representation of what's wrong with VAR. The whistle being blown meant the goal couldn't be considered even though it was perfectly legitimate. If you are using VAR, I would like to think that the whistle at that point becomes redundant in the decision making process particularly in cases where the ref has made a mistake. |
Okay, fast forward to a more subjective case where there's longer between the whistle going and the ball going in the net, where there's an argument that defenders/keepers have reacted to the whistle going.
Can of worms not worth opening. | |
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| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 20:47 - May 27 with 861 views | Garv |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 17:11 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Martinez got sent off for a rugby tackle, and everyone is jumping on the disallowed goal as being to blame.
Villa were cr4p at the weekend, and may well have lost anyway.
Lets not forget they conceded two goals.
Its a 38 match season, if players / managers / owners / fans cant accept that mistakes happen, then they are in the wrong game.
Onwards and upwards. |
if players / managers / owners / fans cant accept that mistakes happen, then they are in the wrong game.
I don't think this gets said enough. The constant demand for perfection, whether it be refereeing or the actual performance of your team (especially if you're a big team in your respective league) is so tiring.
I'll always go back to it but for clubs, players and managers to complain so much about refereeing when players themselves spend 90 minutes every week almost openly deceiving referees, is mad. See Ashley Young going mental about Gordon diving on Sunday? Hilarious. | |
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| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 09:10 - May 28 with 454 views | Radlett_blue |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 20:47 - May 27 by Garv |
if players / managers / owners / fans cant accept that mistakes happen, then they are in the wrong game.
I don't think this gets said enough. The constant demand for perfection, whether it be refereeing or the actual performance of your team (especially if you're a big team in your respective league) is so tiring.
I'll always go back to it but for clubs, players and managers to complain so much about refereeing when players themselves spend 90 minutes every week almost openly deceiving referees, is mad. See Ashley Young going mental about Gordon diving on Sunday? Hilarious. |
100% this. Players & managers moan about refereeing decisions but you can have all the VAR replays you want & it often still isn't clear if a penalty kick should be awarded or not, with players constantly trying to con referees by diving, creating contact themselves or going down at the slightest touch.
I think disallowing the Villa "goal" was a poor decision, but (1) Villa might have lost anyway (2) Football is just a game. People talk about costing them £100m but that would only have been wasted on new players (3) the search for perfect refereeing is a waste of time, as so much is down to interpretation.
I would scrap VAR, but sadly it's here to stay so we have to find ways of making it work better. | |
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| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 10:12 - May 28 with 344 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 17:11 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Martinez got sent off for a rugby tackle, and everyone is jumping on the disallowed goal as being to blame.
Villa were cr4p at the weekend, and may well have lost anyway.
Lets not forget they conceded two goals.
Its a 38 match season, if players / managers / owners / fans cant accept that mistakes happen, then they are in the wrong game.
Onwards and upwards. |
That is wholly irrelevant though ?
That goal would have put Villa up with 15 mins to play, their game plan would have been different etc. They might have shut up shop. Whether they played well enough doesn't matter. They got the goal. It is a horrible decision from the referee.
That being said. I do agree that football would be in a much better place if people just accepted Refs get somethings wrong, but VAR as annoying as it is, and I hate it, is there to stop that from happening. [Post edited 28 May 10:13]
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| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 14:13 - May 28 with 220 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Doubt anyone cares, but in case they do on 17:11 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Martinez got sent off for a rugby tackle, and everyone is jumping on the disallowed goal as being to blame.
Villa were cr4p at the weekend, and may well have lost anyway.
Lets not forget they conceded two goals.
Its a 38 match season, if players / managers / owners / fans cant accept that mistakes happen, then they are in the wrong game.
Onwards and upwards. |
Martinez is on their payroll. All strikers miss chances, defenders make bad decisions and keepers screw up, that's part of the game, something a manager can try and put right on the training pitch.
Look at the level of abuse the ref got on here for not awarding the penalty v Leicester compared to errors our players made in the conceding of the equaliser. | | | |
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