| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week 18:31 - May 30 with 14376 views | onceablue |
Slagging off Nigel Farage
Who are his PR Advisors?
I would be telling him not to even mention Farage. An election is at least 4 years away he should be concentrating on his party and his policies.
The speech he made at that factory is the sort of speech you make the week before an election
Everytime he mentions Farage it just strengthens the Reform Leader’s position
Reform is not the answer for this Country but Starmer is making this unlikely outcome a real possibility
Even the press have started to take the mickey out of Starmer
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 17:55 - Jun 2 with 708 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 17:52 - Jun 2 by redrickstuhaart |
They could hardly endorse Sunak and co. |
Didn't stop them with Boris... |  | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:01 - Jun 2 with 680 views | Herbivore |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 17:47 - Jun 2 by jasondozzell |
They were ushered in as if it was 1997! The media was nervous because of the emperor's new clothes gig they'd been on so quickly got worried once it was clear it was going to be a disaster. But in the run up to the election Labour couldn't have hoped for a nicer media ride.
Labour won the endorsement of Guardian, Sun, Sunday Times, Mirror, Financial Times, The Economist, The Observer. The Times didn't endorse anyone...
Compare this to 2019 where you had The Observer erroneously suggesting voters vote Lib Dem tactically in seats they actually couldn't win... |
You're just repeating yourself without providing much in the way of evidence. You've also pivoted from the media being enthusiastic, which they weren't, to the media not giving them a hard time. That's a different point and given that the country desperately needed a change after 14 years of mismanagement, nobody other than the most rabid right wing rags were likely to go in two footed on Labour. And as I pointed out, in terms of readership, the press was split pretty evenly between Labour, Tories, and neutral. |  |
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:03 - Jun 2 with 678 views | Herbivore |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 17:51 - Jun 2 by redrickstuhaart |
It was in many instances an unreasonable hard left position. Starmer far more central. Of course there is more to criticise.
Not sure if serious.... |
It wasn't "hard left", it was a fairly moderate social democratic agenda by European standards. It's only on the skewed political compass in the UK that Labour's 2019 manifesto could be considered "hard left". | |
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:04 - Jun 2 with 679 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 17:55 - Jun 2 by jasondozzell |
Was Clement Attlee hard left?
What is hard left? |
Oh come on. | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:07 - Jun 2 with 661 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:01 - Jun 2 by Herbivore |
You're just repeating yourself without providing much in the way of evidence. You've also pivoted from the media being enthusiastic, which they weren't, to the media not giving them a hard time. That's a different point and given that the country desperately needed a change after 14 years of mismanagement, nobody other than the most rabid right wing rags were likely to go in two footed on Labour. And as I pointed out, in terms of readership, the press was split pretty evenly between Labour, Tories, and neutral. |
Forensic!
(I believe was the word!)
Corbyn was waged war upon on a daily basis. Starmer was softsoaped in. Everyone knows it. | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:08 - Jun 2 with 654 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:04 - Jun 2 by redrickstuhaart |
Oh come on. |
Serious questions! | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:08 - Jun 2 with 653 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:03 - Jun 2 by Herbivore |
It wasn't "hard left", it was a fairly moderate social democratic agenda by European standards. It's only on the skewed political compass in the UK that Labour's 2019 manifesto could be considered "hard left". |
Fully agree. | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:09 - Jun 2 with 641 views | Herbivore |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:07 - Jun 2 by jasondozzell |
Forensic!
(I believe was the word!)
Corbyn was waged war upon on a daily basis. Starmer was softsoaped in. Everyone knows it. |
Saying "everyone knows it" when people here clearly disagree with you is a bit weird. I fear you've fallen into the left wing mirror image of the Reform/alt right social media bubble. | |
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:12 - Jun 2 with 642 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:09 - Jun 2 by Herbivore |
Saying "everyone knows it" when people here clearly disagree with you is a bit weird. I fear you've fallen into the left wing mirror image of the Reform/alt right social media bubble. |
Ah come on. It's just the truth. Corbyn got savaged and Starmer got a nice ride for saying the right things. They aren't rabid right wing press for nothing! | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:13 - Jun 2 with 637 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:12 - Jun 2 by jasondozzell |
Ah come on. It's just the truth. Corbyn got savaged and Starmer got a nice ride for saying the right things. They aren't rabid right wing press for nothing! |
Well yes- Starmer was centrist so got less criticism. Especially as the other lot were unelectable.
Not evne sure what you are arguing at this point. | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:16 - Jun 2 with 626 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 17:47 - Jun 2 by jasondozzell |
They were ushered in as if it was 1997! The media was nervous because of the emperor's new clothes gig they'd been on so quickly got worried once it was clear it was going to be a disaster. But in the run up to the election Labour couldn't have hoped for a nicer media ride.
Labour won the endorsement of Guardian, Sun, Sunday Times, Mirror, Financial Times, The Economist, The Observer. The Times didn't endorse anyone...
Compare this to 2019 where you had The Observer erroneously suggesting voters vote Lib Dem tactically in seats they actually couldn't win... |
None of this was Farage's doing. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:18 - Jun 2 with 614 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:16 - Jun 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
None of this was Farage's doing. |
Agreed! 😁 | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:22 - Jun 2 with 608 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 17:21 - Jun 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The UK has used the FPTP system for general elections since 1885, FFS.
You can't just change the rules this one time to suit your argument. |
Was just making a point that if we had proportional representation, which I am not in favour of, the result would be so very different. It was the way the non Labour vote was split that lead to such a big, undeserved, Labour majority.
Incidentally thought you were in favour of PR, I obviously got thst wrong. |  |
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:38 - Jun 2 with 602 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:13 - Jun 2 by redrickstuhaart |
Well yes- Starmer was centrist so got less criticism. Especially as the other lot were unelectable.
Not evne sure what you are arguing at this point. |
'X was centrist so got less criticism' probably sums up the current state of British politics... | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 19:17 - Jun 2 with 572 views | Herbivore |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:12 - Jun 2 by jasondozzell |
Ah come on. It's just the truth. Corbyn got savaged and Starmer got a nice ride for saying the right things. They aren't rabid right wing press for nothing! |
We've pivoted from the media enthusiastically cheered hom into office, to the media didn't give him a very hard time, to the media treated him better than Corbyn. | |
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 19:21 - Jun 2 with 568 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:38 - Jun 2 by jasondozzell |
'X was centrist so got less criticism' probably sums up the current state of British politics... |
Corbyn basically gave the media the rope to hang himself with his wacky sixth form worldview Absolute gold such as his response to Salisbury; ‘how do we know Russia was responsible for this Russian-made nerve agent, used on a Russian dissident?’. Not sure if the was hugely naive or just thick.
Starmer’s utter blandness means he’s never had such brainf@rts. | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 19:22 - Jun 2 with 560 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 19:17 - Jun 2 by Herbivore |
We've pivoted from the media enthusiastically cheered hom into office, to the media didn't give him a very hard time, to the media treated him better than Corbyn. |
Nope. It was all of those!
They aren't mutually exclusive... | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 19:30 - Jun 2 with 535 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 19:21 - Jun 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Corbyn basically gave the media the rope to hang himself with his wacky sixth form worldview Absolute gold such as his response to Salisbury; ‘how do we know Russia was responsible for this Russian-made nerve agent, used on a Russian dissident?’. Not sure if the was hugely naive or just thick.
Starmer’s utter blandness means he’s never had such brainf@rts. |
You need to expand your reading. Read what he actually said about the attack and his history of criticism of Putin.
Following rules based international order is a good starting point. Something Starmer hasn't done with Gaza.
He really fried a lot of centrists brains didn't he. | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 19:36 - Jun 2 with 523 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 18:22 - Jun 2 by Pinewoodblue |
Was just making a point that if we had proportional representation, which I am not in favour of, the result would be so very different. It was the way the non Labour vote was split that lead to such a big, undeserved, Labour majority.
Incidentally thought you were in favour of PR, I obviously got thst wrong. |
I've never expressed a preference in any system.
If my auntie had bowlocks she'd be my uncle. It's absolutely pointless to say what the result would've been under a different system. If it were a dictatorship we'd still have the Tories.
We've had the same system for nearly 150 years.
There was nothing undeserved about Labour's majority. It's a fact, so on what basis can it be undeserved?
Besides, the discussion is actually whether Farage destroyed the Tories or not. | |
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 19:40 - Jun 2 with 519 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 19:30 - Jun 2 by jasondozzell |
You need to expand your reading. Read what he actually said about the attack and his history of criticism of Putin.
Following rules based international order is a good starting point. Something Starmer hasn't done with Gaza.
He really fried a lot of centrists brains didn't he. |
He said ‘let’s send the Russian’s the evidence and ask if they did it’….Vlad is of course well known for being open and honest…
Jezza subsequently also said we shouldn’t provide weapons to Ukraine - his foreign policy is very close to Farage and Trump, albeit with different motivations. Quite happy to get paid to shill for Iran on their state TV also - so he’s hardly helped himself. It’s hardly a media assassination, when he’s like the drunk uncle at a family gathering that everyone is dreading what he’s going to say next.. | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 19:53 - Jun 2 with 492 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 17:18 - Jun 2 by Herbivore |
Media support was pretty lukewarm and there was still a decent amount of support for the Tories in certain predictable quarters: https://pressgazette.co.uk/publishers/nationals/general-election-2024-press-endo
It's not exactly news that there wasn't much enthusiasm for Starmer and the Tories very much gifted him a big win (in terms of seats). Plenty of traditional Labour voters stayed at home and the Greens also gained votes. I think if Reform had a realistic chance of winning a GE, you might see some folks hold their noses and vote Labour as the lesser of two evils. |
Do you have to hold your nose to vote Labour ?
In the past I've voted for them but I did n't know about grasping your face. |  | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 20:02 - Jun 2 with 462 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 19:36 - Jun 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've never expressed a preference in any system.
If my auntie had bowlocks she'd be my uncle. It's absolutely pointless to say what the result would've been under a different system. If it were a dictatorship we'd still have the Tories.
We've had the same system for nearly 150 years.
There was nothing undeserved about Labour's majority. It's a fact, so on what basis can it be undeserved?
Besides, the discussion is actually whether Farage destroyed the Tories or not. |
It was an undeserved majority because only 22% of those able to vote and only 33% of those that did vote wanted Labour.
If Starmer, his party and supporters do not learn from that they will not be there long.
The first past the post system worked when we had, in effect only two parties.
Now we have red, blue, green, purple, gold and tartan it fails completely to give a government that represents the opinions of the people. | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 20:05 - Jun 2 with 454 views | Herbivore |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 19:53 - Jun 2 by flykickingbybgunn |
Do you have to hold your nose to vote Labour ?
In the past I've voted for them but I did n't know about grasping your face. |
Labour have almost always been a disappointment to me so if I've voted for them it's tended to be reluctantly. Are you familiar with metaphor? | |
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| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 20:06 - Jun 2 with 454 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 19:40 - Jun 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
He said ‘let’s send the Russian’s the evidence and ask if they did it’….Vlad is of course well known for being open and honest…
Jezza subsequently also said we shouldn’t provide weapons to Ukraine - his foreign policy is very close to Farage and Trump, albeit with different motivations. Quite happy to get paid to shill for Iran on their state TV also - so he’s hardly helped himself. It’s hardly a media assassination, when he’s like the drunk uncle at a family gathering that everyone is dreading what he’s going to say next.. |
Suffice to say I strongly disagree with that which reads like it's a ill researched Mail hit piece.
Let's not relitigate Corbyn or we'll never finish. | | | |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 20:08 - Jun 2 with 454 views | jasondozzell |
| Keir Starmer looked a desperate man this week on 19:36 - Jun 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've never expressed a preference in any system.
If my auntie had bowlocks she'd be my uncle. It's absolutely pointless to say what the result would've been under a different system. If it were a dictatorship we'd still have the Tories.
We've had the same system for nearly 150 years.
There was nothing undeserved about Labour's majority. It's a fact, so on what basis can it be undeserved?
Besides, the discussion is actually whether Farage destroyed the Tories or not. |
If Labour think their majority was deserved then they are finished. | | | |
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