| McKenna 10:09 - Jun 9 with 4209 views | IpswichTom |
As much as I hate to say it, is it best that he goes now? I don’t want him to leave, I just think like any good prospect player or coach if he is as good as we all think/hope at some point he will go.
Is it best now, rather than November for example.
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| McKenna on 13:29 - Jun 9 with 1155 views | blueasfook |
| McKenna on 10:45 - Jun 9 by bsw72 |
I don't believe he has ever stated he wants to get to the top "ASAP and will not hang around if he can climb the ladder quickly" as you put it.
He is honest about his ambition, as outlined by the quote below:
"I've been in the Premier League as a first team coach and had a big contribution to some big wins and some good seasons there. So I know the level, I've operated at that level, I think I can help players at that level and teams at that level. Yeah, ultimately in my career that's where I want to work and want to make an impact." |
"So I know the level, I've operated at that level, I think I can help players at that level and teams* at that level."
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| McKenna on 13:32 - Jun 9 with 1144 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| McKenna on 13:24 - Jun 9 by hype313 |
By all accounts and Phil maybe able to confirm , but by the time he went back to Palace and said yes, they had gone for Glasnier. |
"By all accounts"?! I've not seen ONE account say that, feel free to link one... |  |
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| McKenna on 13:32 - Jun 9 with 1146 views | blueasfook |
| McKenna on 13:29 - Jun 9 by blueasfook |
"So I know the level, I've operated at that level, I think I can help players at that level and teams* at that level."
*Except Ipswich |
Board bully downvoting me again. | |
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| McKenna on 13:40 - Jun 9 with 1109 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| McKenna on 13:32 - Jun 9 by blueasfook |
Board bully downvoting me again. |
Board bully calling me out for downvoting again. | |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| McKenna on 13:47 - Jun 9 with 1092 views | blueasfook |
| McKenna on 13:40 - Jun 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Board bully calling me out for downvoting again. |
I don't bully anybody other than bullying the bullies doing the bullying | |
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| McKenna on 14:13 - Jun 9 with 1034 views | glasso |
Yes when I look back at Bobby Robson's time here, I think it's quite clear we would've been better off shaking hands with him early on. Probably about 1970, I'd suggest.
He was going to leave anyway, so what was the point in keeping him around? Just get it done and get a manager in who'll be with us until he retires or dies. | | | |
| McKenna on 14:32 - Jun 9 with 1005 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| McKenna on 10:48 - Jun 9 by jasondozzell |
Yep. He's very ambitious. He's been a senior coach at Utd!!!!!
That's a good thing.
I think it's 70/30 him staying at the moment.
Everything will be okay. |
He's been a senior coach at United? I'm not sure that is a selling point for anyone since the time Fergie left.
In all seriousness I'm on the fence of just how good he is. Momentum is a huge thing in football, Keane had it at Sunderland, Jewell had it at Bradford and Wigan. We've had them both here on the back of those successes, and when things didn't go their way they were unable to turn it around.
He had two years of huge success, winning does become a habit and you don't become a bad manager over night. For me, to prove he is as good as some suggest and believe on here, I would need to see him get us back on track. It's in times of adversity when you see how good a manager is. For me the jury is out.
I would love KMK to stay and show US what he learnt last season in the Premier League and lead us straight back. | | | |
| McKenna on 15:18 - Jun 9 with 963 views | jasondozzell |
| McKenna on 14:32 - Jun 9 by Blue_In_Boston |
He's been a senior coach at United? I'm not sure that is a selling point for anyone since the time Fergie left.
In all seriousness I'm on the fence of just how good he is. Momentum is a huge thing in football, Keane had it at Sunderland, Jewell had it at Bradford and Wigan. We've had them both here on the back of those successes, and when things didn't go their way they were unable to turn it around.
He had two years of huge success, winning does become a habit and you don't become a bad manager over night. For me, to prove he is as good as some suggest and believe on here, I would need to see him get us back on track. It's in times of adversity when you see how good a manager is. For me the jury is out.
I would love KMK to stay and show US what he learnt last season in the Premier League and lead us straight back. |
The point I was trying to make was that he's coached at the very highest level, Champions League etc at United. Of course he's a driven and ambitious character - kind of a prerequisite for success in elite football.
I cant understand being on the fence with him. Getting us back on track? We couldn't get out of league one a few years ago! He's had us way ahead of schedule, even ahead of the schedule of the very ambitious owners we have.
I always say it, but had we finished seventh and narrowly missed out on play offs in 23/34 it would have been seen as a very very good effort and solid progress as we rebuilt the club.
He's the real deal. If people can't see that by now, then we may as well give up.
Even this season he's shown it. We were effectively going into a sword fight with a fork in our hands - 120m investment in a playing squad is like upgrading that fork to a John Lewis one and no more. It's insane that that is the state of football nowadays but it's reality.
We competed well especially in the first half of the season. Drew and should have beaten teams like Villa. Beat Chelsea. Frankly if Jack Clarke's shot has gone in or gone out for a goal kick at Fulham then who knows...It took a huge effort and understandably we dropped off from the new year with huge injury issues and trying to integrate loans up to sort speed etc.
But all season we played with heart and determination. We played some great football. Remember what Slot said in August about our bravery in that first half.
Jury is out idea is nuts. He's going to manage at the very top. Enjoy him while you can! |  | | |
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| McKenna on 15:31 - Jun 9 with 946 views | glasso |
| McKenna on 14:32 - Jun 9 by Blue_In_Boston |
He's been a senior coach at United? I'm not sure that is a selling point for anyone since the time Fergie left.
In all seriousness I'm on the fence of just how good he is. Momentum is a huge thing in football, Keane had it at Sunderland, Jewell had it at Bradford and Wigan. We've had them both here on the back of those successes, and when things didn't go their way they were unable to turn it around.
He had two years of huge success, winning does become a habit and you don't become a bad manager over night. For me, to prove he is as good as some suggest and believe on here, I would need to see him get us back on track. It's in times of adversity when you see how good a manager is. For me the jury is out.
I would love KMK to stay and show US what he learnt last season in the Premier League and lead us straight back. |
There was a lot of momentum here already when KM arrived, to be fair.
In the wrong direction, but we were really going places. | | | |
| McKenna on 16:00 - Jun 9 with 898 views | Jon_456 |
| McKenna on 12:36 - Jun 9 by burnbudgiesburn |
He turned down 2 prem jobs whilst we were in the championship - doesn't really get more loyal than that in this day and age.
Let's not forget the clubs greatest Bobby Robson had verbally agreed to join Everton at one point half way through his tenure here. |
Suppose it depends on your definition of loyal. He was interested enough that he went for talks and clearly after weighing up the options decided staying put was best. I wouldn’t describe that as loyal but equally wouldn’t say there’s anything wrong with it either.
I’d agree with Arnie that there’s no loyalty in football. If the offer was the right move for his career, he would have taken it.
Must admit at the time I was surprised and almost disappointed that he considered Palace & Brighton as a big enough step up to progress his career. However after seeing the difference between a team like us and the other 17 prem clubs this year, I totally understand it and do worry about the likes of Brentford, Bournemouth and Fulham. | | | |
| McKenna on 16:10 - Jun 9 with 882 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Not when we have just spent 120-140M on players he's signed off on for fitting how he wants to play. |  | | |
| McKenna on 16:14 - Jun 9 with 864 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| McKenna on 12:36 - Jun 9 by burnbudgiesburn |
He turned down 2 prem jobs whilst we were in the championship - doesn't really get more loyal than that in this day and age.
Let's not forget the clubs greatest Bobby Robson had verbally agreed to join Everton at one point half way through his tenure here. |
Equating 2025 with Bobby Robson is pretty pointless.
McKenna after seeing the levels of the PL and gap first hand is more likely to go with a good offer on the table that he was in March 2024 or last off season IMO.
However, he might think next year is perfect opportunity to get us back up with the squad we have and have his stock rise again. If that happened, I think he might leave the following summer. However, if Brantford come calling I could see him accepting it, who knows. [Post edited 9 Jun 16:15]
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| McKenna on 16:19 - Jun 9 with 845 views | WeWereZombies |
| McKenna on 16:14 - Jun 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Equating 2025 with Bobby Robson is pretty pointless.
McKenna after seeing the levels of the PL and gap first hand is more likely to go with a good offer on the table that he was in March 2024 or last off season IMO.
However, he might think next year is perfect opportunity to get us back up with the squad we have and have his stock rise again. If that happened, I think he might leave the following summer. However, if Brantford come calling I could see him accepting it, who knows. [Post edited 9 Jun 16:15]
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Regarding your last sentence, I'm more worried about Brintford... |  |
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| McKenna on 16:32 - Jun 9 with 815 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| McKenna on 16:19 - Jun 9 by WeWereZombies |
Regarding your last sentence, I'm more worried about Brintford... |
iPhone on the train mate!
Banterford. | | | |
| McKenna on 16:34 - Jun 9 with 808 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| McKenna on 15:18 - Jun 9 by jasondozzell |
The point I was trying to make was that he's coached at the very highest level, Champions League etc at United. Of course he's a driven and ambitious character - kind of a prerequisite for success in elite football.
I cant understand being on the fence with him. Getting us back on track? We couldn't get out of league one a few years ago! He's had us way ahead of schedule, even ahead of the schedule of the very ambitious owners we have.
I always say it, but had we finished seventh and narrowly missed out on play offs in 23/34 it would have been seen as a very very good effort and solid progress as we rebuilt the club.
He's the real deal. If people can't see that by now, then we may as well give up.
Even this season he's shown it. We were effectively going into a sword fight with a fork in our hands - 120m investment in a playing squad is like upgrading that fork to a John Lewis one and no more. It's insane that that is the state of football nowadays but it's reality.
We competed well especially in the first half of the season. Drew and should have beaten teams like Villa. Beat Chelsea. Frankly if Jack Clarke's shot has gone in or gone out for a goal kick at Fulham then who knows...It took a huge effort and understandably we dropped off from the new year with huge injury issues and trying to integrate loans up to sort speed etc.
But all season we played with heart and determination. We played some great football. Remember what Slot said in August about our bravery in that first half.
Jury is out idea is nuts. He's going to manage at the very top. Enjoy him while you can! |
I do agree with some of what you say, but I don't yet buy into the great manager theory.
Yes, he got us back on track, but his arrival coincided with new ambitious owners and a pot full of money BY League One standards. It is generally accepted that we bought players who would be up to, or already at Championship level. Taking all that into account, promotion was, or should have been expected.
The Championship season is his biggest success, we never for a moment looked out of place (I'm conveniently ignoring the pasting Leeds gave us, that was a one off). As you say had we narrowly missed out on the play-offs it would still have been a good season.
I sort of agree with you about last season, though I don't buy into the League One players playing at Premier League level. If we agree we bought Championship ready players to get us promoted out of League One you can't call them League One players. Yes, we played with heart and desire but we were naïve, and I do put that down to the manager. How many goals did Leif Davis cost us by bombing forward like he had in previous seasons? You can only assume that is under instruction from KMK, yet we could all see how much that was damaging us. As for what Slot said, have you ever known any newly promoted team not give it everything on the opening day of the season?
For me the Jurys out, as it is on Erik Ten Haag and Amorin at Manchester United. Like McKenna they arrived into the Premier League with fantastic reputations, a league where you are pitting your wits against some of the best. For various reasons none of them have enhanced their standings - none of them will have turned rubbish overnight, but perhaps all three have found it either a step to far, or it has found them out, maybe they are not quite as good as everyone believed. | | | |
| McKenna on 16:46 - Jun 9 with 769 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| McKenna on 15:18 - Jun 9 by jasondozzell |
The point I was trying to make was that he's coached at the very highest level, Champions League etc at United. Of course he's a driven and ambitious character - kind of a prerequisite for success in elite football.
I cant understand being on the fence with him. Getting us back on track? We couldn't get out of league one a few years ago! He's had us way ahead of schedule, even ahead of the schedule of the very ambitious owners we have.
I always say it, but had we finished seventh and narrowly missed out on play offs in 23/34 it would have been seen as a very very good effort and solid progress as we rebuilt the club.
He's the real deal. If people can't see that by now, then we may as well give up.
Even this season he's shown it. We were effectively going into a sword fight with a fork in our hands - 120m investment in a playing squad is like upgrading that fork to a John Lewis one and no more. It's insane that that is the state of football nowadays but it's reality.
We competed well especially in the first half of the season. Drew and should have beaten teams like Villa. Beat Chelsea. Frankly if Jack Clarke's shot has gone in or gone out for a goal kick at Fulham then who knows...It took a huge effort and understandably we dropped off from the new year with huge injury issues and trying to integrate loans up to sort speed etc.
But all season we played with heart and determination. We played some great football. Remember what Slot said in August about our bravery in that first half.
Jury is out idea is nuts. He's going to manage at the very top. Enjoy him while you can! |
He's been brilliant but think that is being a little kind for the second half of this season tbh.
We were naïve at times. Everyone kept saying how much better/competitive we were that Leicester on their third manager of the season and we finished below them with what 9, straight losses and no home wins. | | | |
| McKenna on 16:50 - Jun 9 with 736 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| McKenna on 16:14 - Jun 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Equating 2025 with Bobby Robson is pretty pointless.
McKenna after seeing the levels of the PL and gap first hand is more likely to go with a good offer on the table that he was in March 2024 or last off season IMO.
However, he might think next year is perfect opportunity to get us back up with the squad we have and have his stock rise again. If that happened, I think he might leave the following summer. However, if Brantford come calling I could see him accepting it, who knows. [Post edited 9 Jun 16:15]
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I wasn't equating them at all really, as you say... different era.
More of a commentary on Mckennas supposed lack of 'loyalty' being nonsense when our greatest ever manager openly spoke with several clubs duing his tenure here and was close to moving.
Infact, spending nearly 4 years at a club like he has is not the norm in the modern era. Also, he literally turned 2 others clubs down to stay with us already - I don't think his loyalty can be questioned. | | | |
| McKenna on 21:00 - Jun 9 with 601 views | ITFCSG |
| McKenna on 16:46 - Jun 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
He's been brilliant but think that is being a little kind for the second half of this season tbh.
We were naïve at times. Everyone kept saying how much better/competitive we were that Leicester on their third manager of the season and we finished below them with what 9, straight losses and no home wins. |
Ahead of schedule or not with the generally poor performance - being schooled by PL managers in terms of strategy and set-up that you cannot deny. The second half of the season bar Villa, Chelsea, Everton and Bournemouth away was an absolute car crash compounded by McK's failure to turn things around instead continuing the same like-for-like changes and often making subs too late.
With relegation whatever goodwill McK earned over the previous back-to-back promotion seasons is fast diminishing, the Americans are not Evans and will probably do something by January if we do not hit the ground running in the Championship next season. | | | |
| McKenna on 23:52 - Jun 9 with 466 views | jasondozzell |
| McKenna on 16:34 - Jun 9 by Blue_In_Boston |
I do agree with some of what you say, but I don't yet buy into the great manager theory.
Yes, he got us back on track, but his arrival coincided with new ambitious owners and a pot full of money BY League One standards. It is generally accepted that we bought players who would be up to, or already at Championship level. Taking all that into account, promotion was, or should have been expected.
The Championship season is his biggest success, we never for a moment looked out of place (I'm conveniently ignoring the pasting Leeds gave us, that was a one off). As you say had we narrowly missed out on the play-offs it would still have been a good season.
I sort of agree with you about last season, though I don't buy into the League One players playing at Premier League level. If we agree we bought Championship ready players to get us promoted out of League One you can't call them League One players. Yes, we played with heart and desire but we were naïve, and I do put that down to the manager. How many goals did Leif Davis cost us by bombing forward like he had in previous seasons? You can only assume that is under instruction from KMK, yet we could all see how much that was damaging us. As for what Slot said, have you ever known any newly promoted team not give it everything on the opening day of the season?
For me the Jurys out, as it is on Erik Ten Haag and Amorin at Manchester United. Like McKenna they arrived into the Premier League with fantastic reputations, a league where you are pitting your wits against some of the best. For various reasons none of them have enhanced their standings - none of them will have turned rubbish overnight, but perhaps all three have found it either a step to far, or it has found them out, maybe they are not quite as good as everyone believed. |
I take your points, and he's got work to do to become a truly elite coach, but I'm absolutely certain he will.
I think a lot is made of the Leif stuff and it's revisionism really. KM pretty much tried everything, including a solid back 5, to get us out of it in the second half of the season. t was just the gulf and often the physicality that was impossible to bridge. Plus we lost our entire right hand side for most of the season.
Amorim and ETH demonstratively failed. I don't think KM did. Finishing 17th would have been a far far far bigger achievement in terms of difficulty than the championship season so to not get it isn't failure in my book.
It's purely tools. I love our players but Cajuste is so far ahead of our other midfielders for example. And he's a player passed over by other smaller PL teams because of his injury situation. That's the gap. We had it everywhere. I don't like it and it's not healthy for football but that's the reality.
And yet if you asked Emery, Marco Silva, ETH, Maresca, Thomas Frank what they thought of KM's team this season, they would say 'gave us a hell of a game, a real challenge'.
We know KM. We've seen him at work. The quality of his work is excellent. Slot wasn't commenting on a newly promoted team's effort. He commented with surprise that we went man for man against them. That's not what you do as a newly promoted side against Liverpool. Look back at that opening day team again. For 45 minutes we went toe to toe with one of the best club sides in Europe.
Just watch KM over the next 3 years. [Post edited 9 Jun 23:53]
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| McKenna on 23:59 - Jun 9 with 459 views | jasondozzell |
| McKenna on 21:00 - Jun 9 by ITFCSG |
Ahead of schedule or not with the generally poor performance - being schooled by PL managers in terms of strategy and set-up that you cannot deny. The second half of the season bar Villa, Chelsea, Everton and Bournemouth away was an absolute car crash compounded by McK's failure to turn things around instead continuing the same like-for-like changes and often making subs too late.
With relegation whatever goodwill McK earned over the previous back-to-back promotion seasons is fast diminishing, the Americans are not Evans and will probably do something by January if we do not hit the ground running in the Championship next season. |
This is insane. He was not 'schooled' by PL managers. In fact, it was notable that there were actually few games where we thrashed or given a real hiding. The narrative that we were in a lot of games that we came out of the wrong side of is simply true. Look on at the comments from Thomas Frank KM's team. He knows more than us.
The goodwill is not fast diminishing. If it is, then those people see fairweather fans who've only come back in the last few years.
The one thing the Americans will not do is sack one of the best young coaches in the game if we have a wobbly start. | | | |
| McKenna on 00:03 - Jun 10 with 453 views | jasondozzell |
| McKenna on 16:46 - Jun 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
He's been brilliant but think that is being a little kind for the second half of this season tbh.
We were naïve at times. Everyone kept saying how much better/competitive we were that Leicester on their third manager of the season and we finished below them with what 9, straight losses and no home wins. |
Possibly fair. I think the second half was poor but by that point the injury crisis, the toll of being up against it, the physical side and the enforced changes simply caught up with us.
I think KM tried to make us competitive at all times. It was never damage limitation. I think that's admirable. | | | |
| McKenna on 06:19 - Jun 10 with 345 views | slade1 |
| McKenna on 23:59 - Jun 9 by jasondozzell |
This is insane. He was not 'schooled' by PL managers. In fact, it was notable that there were actually few games where we thrashed or given a real hiding. The narrative that we were in a lot of games that we came out of the wrong side of is simply true. Look on at the comments from Thomas Frank KM's team. He knows more than us.
The goodwill is not fast diminishing. If it is, then those people see fairweather fans who've only come back in the last few years.
The one thing the Americans will not do is sack one of the best young coaches in the game if we have a wobbly start. |
The one thing the Americans will not do is sack one of the best young coaches in the game if we have a wobbly start.
jasondozzell, unfortunately for KM, that's the first thing I think the Americans would do. They wont want a wobbly start. [Post edited 10 Jun 6:20]
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