| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich 10:15 - Jun 9 with 6820 views | redrickstuhaart |
Aussie journalist being shot from abut 10 yards, in clear view, by riot police whilst doing a piece to camera. Either deliberate or staggeringly incompetent. If thats on camera, imagine what they are doing out of shot. Be afraid... |  | | |  |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 20:23 - Jun 11 with 1006 views | Swansea_Blue |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 10:11 - Jun 11 by rkc123 |
I saw another clip of a woman trying to get down a street to her apartment, and when she wouldn't turn back one of the police/guard just shot her in the chest with a rubber bullet. The scary thing is this is obviously the instruction, the government want these spark points to occur, moments that will provoke further protest, excusing further crack downs and violence because they want division and sides to form.
It will get really nasty I fear, because you have a situation where protestors against the government will not only be fuelled by a feeling of it being the right, just thing to do, but they will literally be on the right side of the law as well; court rulings saying that people cannot be deported with out due process are being ignored or tied up in further legal wrangling while the ICE raids (government sanctioned kidnapping) and deportations flights continue. [Post edited 11 Jun 10:11]
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It’s horrific. Clearly innocent bystanders being singled out and attacked. Plus now there have now been over 30 deliberate targetings of press, with several requiring ER treatment. LAPD and the feds are operating lawlessly. Meanwhile the tanks have started rolling into DC for Trump’s vanity parade. It’s going to be an ‘interesting’ weekend. |  |
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| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 21:05 - Jun 11 with 960 views | Trequartista |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 01:19 - Jun 10 by StokieBlue |
It's very noticeable that your return to the forums had been essentially you shilling for Trump.
Problems all around indeed.
We literally have a president talking up an illegal act of putting marines on the street and all you can say is "problems all around".
Your return has been a disgraceful symphony of apology and the worst thing is you think that dressing it up in reasonably intelligent language makes it all acceptable.
People see thorough you. The forum sees through you. If you want to shill in this way I suggest you go do in on a forum that agrees with your underhand message.
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You must be able to see how authoritarian your post is. |  |
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| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 22:49 - Jun 11 with 862 views | StokieBlue |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 14:41 - Jun 10 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Thanks I appreciate it.
While I appreciate anyone man enough to say sorry (even if it was in a reply to someone else), I will absolutely always push back on that kind of nonsense. I’ve been back since the spring and in terms of threads I’ve started, they have quite literally exclusively been about ITFC, with just one about a band and one about London. So I don’t appreciate lies saying my return has noticeably coincided with me shilling for anyone politically. Unless I misunderstood, it was also rather an interesting suggestion for me to leave the forum if I didn’t get with the consensus. There’s a word for that I think.
I will sometimes chime in when posts are about the States because I’ve spent most of my adult life here and I don’t always think the overall perspective from afar quite lines up with the reality. Years ago for example, there was a huge thread about tips, where I was trying to explain that a lot of my friends loved working in service industry in college because of the insane money they made at the weekends but no that wasn’t allowed either!
I’m not exactly a voice of the left leaning majority on here but I actually try and form my opinions from living here, taking to my friends and family here, as well as taking in media from various sides of the aisle. The Daily podcast from the NYT as an example, even though it’s rather to the left, I think it offers some excellently sourced reporting. Jonathan Swan is a very credible journalist and his insights from inside the WH are fascinating.
When it comes to Trump I haven’t gone all Sean Hanity on the current polices, so I’m not sure what the level is for two siding I’m being accused of. If I was posting Daily Wire articles and going full MAGA I’d expect these kinds of posts aimed at me. As I mentioned on another thread months ago, there’s no Washington lifers having a quiet word in his ear this time and that can lead to some impulsive and chaotic circumstances, which is not good for the country.
I hate how divided we have become under both parties but I still love America and the life I’ve built here. [Post edited 10 Jun 14:45]
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So I've had some time to reflect and you're right, I should apologise to you directly, so I apologise. I am frustrated at the reporting and excusing of many things currently going on in the US and you ended up being the target of my vitriol. This may be because you have historically been reluctant to criticise Trump and that is probably something that festered.
Moving on from that though, I do think there is some truth in what I wrote even if it was too strong and too harsh. As you can see from subsequent replies, many agree with me that the "but both sides" or as you put it, "not good all around" narrative that is being used by Trump and yourself in this instance isn't correct and feeds into the division. I accept that you've not used it much lately and that you agree he's doesn't have anybody to restrain him but you still referenced it with regards to your post on the protests.
"I hate how divided we have become under both parties but I still love America and the life I’ve built here."
Absolutely nothing wrong with loving America and your life there but I'm not really sure what you mean here when you're referencing both parties. Division wasn't sown by the Democrats under their presidencies, it was sown by Trump and the Republicans during both presidencies. To draw some equivalence here is wrong in my opinion and I think quite a large part of the problem. I obviously understand that many don't support what they see as the "woke" agenda but that's a long way from instigating hatred and vitriol.
In just the last 24 hours Trump has deployed US Marines on US soil, something that is unconstitutional for the current circumstances and we are now at the point where there are more US troops in LA than Iraq and Syria combined and at a cost of 134m USD. We have police and the national guard firing on journalists doing nothing but reporting what is going on. If this was in Russia or some random country in Africa there would be outcry about these actions but we hear nothing from the Republican side of the spectrum.
If we then compare the protests in LA, which he is calling a "foreign invasion" to the attack on the Capitol that he instigated on January 6th then I think most would agree that was far worse but we didn't see the Democrats deploying serving military marines to Washington to "detain" the people at the Capital.
All of this division is exactly what Trump wants and exactly why he's trying to escalate the situation. It's not a "problems all round" matter, it's a matter of the most powerful man in the US and by extension the world causing division and unrest to further his own aims. The Democrats have done nothing in this situation and the protesters have been provoked by the actions of ICE and Trump over the last 100+ days.
Look at the actions towards universities who don't want to teach what he wants, this is all Trump, there is no "but both sides" here. Look at the travel bans which look haphazard at best. Look at the threats to Canada, Denmark and Panama. The Democrats didn't do any of this, this is all on the Republicans and on Trump.
If you honestly still think the division and hate which now seems to permeate the US is something caused by both parties equally or even close to that then I would be interested to hear your reasoning and how you can reach that conclusion. Happy to have an adult debate on the subject but I think many are well past the point of accepting any form of equality in blame.
I'll leave it with Bernie, certainly not everyone's cup of tea and that's absolutely fine. Hard to see how he's wrong here or how it's in any way a "problems on both sides" issue.
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| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 22:49 - Jun 11 with 865 views | StokieBlue |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 21:05 - Jun 11 by Trequartista |
You must be able to see how authoritarian your post is. |
Indeed and I've apologised.
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| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 23:26 - Jun 11 with 815 views | reusersfreekicks |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 22:49 - Jun 11 by StokieBlue |
So I've had some time to reflect and you're right, I should apologise to you directly, so I apologise. I am frustrated at the reporting and excusing of many things currently going on in the US and you ended up being the target of my vitriol. This may be because you have historically been reluctant to criticise Trump and that is probably something that festered.
Moving on from that though, I do think there is some truth in what I wrote even if it was too strong and too harsh. As you can see from subsequent replies, many agree with me that the "but both sides" or as you put it, "not good all around" narrative that is being used by Trump and yourself in this instance isn't correct and feeds into the division. I accept that you've not used it much lately and that you agree he's doesn't have anybody to restrain him but you still referenced it with regards to your post on the protests.
"I hate how divided we have become under both parties but I still love America and the life I’ve built here."
Absolutely nothing wrong with loving America and your life there but I'm not really sure what you mean here when you're referencing both parties. Division wasn't sown by the Democrats under their presidencies, it was sown by Trump and the Republicans during both presidencies. To draw some equivalence here is wrong in my opinion and I think quite a large part of the problem. I obviously understand that many don't support what they see as the "woke" agenda but that's a long way from instigating hatred and vitriol.
In just the last 24 hours Trump has deployed US Marines on US soil, something that is unconstitutional for the current circumstances and we are now at the point where there are more US troops in LA than Iraq and Syria combined and at a cost of 134m USD. We have police and the national guard firing on journalists doing nothing but reporting what is going on. If this was in Russia or some random country in Africa there would be outcry about these actions but we hear nothing from the Republican side of the spectrum.
If we then compare the protests in LA, which he is calling a "foreign invasion" to the attack on the Capitol that he instigated on January 6th then I think most would agree that was far worse but we didn't see the Democrats deploying serving military marines to Washington to "detain" the people at the Capital.
All of this division is exactly what Trump wants and exactly why he's trying to escalate the situation. It's not a "problems all round" matter, it's a matter of the most powerful man in the US and by extension the world causing division and unrest to further his own aims. The Democrats have done nothing in this situation and the protesters have been provoked by the actions of ICE and Trump over the last 100+ days.
Look at the actions towards universities who don't want to teach what he wants, this is all Trump, there is no "but both sides" here. Look at the travel bans which look haphazard at best. Look at the threats to Canada, Denmark and Panama. The Democrats didn't do any of this, this is all on the Republicans and on Trump.
If you honestly still think the division and hate which now seems to permeate the US is something caused by both parties equally or even close to that then I would be interested to hear your reasoning and how you can reach that conclusion. Happy to have an adult debate on the subject but I think many are well past the point of accepting any form of equality in blame.
I'll leave it with Bernie, certainly not everyone's cup of tea and that's absolutely fine. Hard to see how he's wrong here or how it's in any way a "problems on both sides" issue.
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| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 06:15 - Jun 12 with 711 views | Churchman |
Interesting article from NBC on Trump’s probable attempts to politicise the armed forces:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-speech-prompts-concerns
When you look at stunts like this, the actual deployment of soldiers in LA and actions against protestors while pardoning the Capital Hill 2021 rioters, it seems to display all you need to know about this very simple man.
For Trump it’s my way or the highway. He’s always right, never wrong. You are for him or an enemy to be hit. Binary - for and against. There no listening, considering or rationalising. No challenge. Just him and his view of the world.
So what next for the military? How about them swearing allegiance directly to the President? Rather than the constitution? That would legitimise its use internally to crush dissenting criminals as any opposition are fast becoming. It is also what Adolf Hitler did to bind the army to him.
With regard to getting rid of illegal immigrants or let’s face it, anyone he doesn’t like, this is an interesting tactic
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-admin-tells-immigration
Get judges to arbitrarily dismiss cases, immediately arrest the applicant with no recourse to appeal, in chains and out. Well you can’t say it isn’t slick, even if it is wrong at many levels.
Lastly I see under America First, the Aukus submarine deal with U.K. and Australia is under threat. Basically, US doesn’t want to share its technology though I presume it wants others to share their specialist skills with it. Personally, I hope the deal is pulled and U.K. reshapes the deal with another third party - possibly France as it should have done in the first place. Time to move away from the new, unreliable, authoritarian Trumpstate.
Edit: Bernie Sanders Instagram view and one that I agree with.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKu4FYbSL4d/
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| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 09:48 - Jun 12 with 612 views | reusersfreekicks |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 06:15 - Jun 12 by Churchman |
Interesting article from NBC on Trump’s probable attempts to politicise the armed forces:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-speech-prompts-concerns
When you look at stunts like this, the actual deployment of soldiers in LA and actions against protestors while pardoning the Capital Hill 2021 rioters, it seems to display all you need to know about this very simple man.
For Trump it’s my way or the highway. He’s always right, never wrong. You are for him or an enemy to be hit. Binary - for and against. There no listening, considering or rationalising. No challenge. Just him and his view of the world.
So what next for the military? How about them swearing allegiance directly to the President? Rather than the constitution? That would legitimise its use internally to crush dissenting criminals as any opposition are fast becoming. It is also what Adolf Hitler did to bind the army to him.
With regard to getting rid of illegal immigrants or let’s face it, anyone he doesn’t like, this is an interesting tactic
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-admin-tells-immigration
Get judges to arbitrarily dismiss cases, immediately arrest the applicant with no recourse to appeal, in chains and out. Well you can’t say it isn’t slick, even if it is wrong at many levels.
Lastly I see under America First, the Aukus submarine deal with U.K. and Australia is under threat. Basically, US doesn’t want to share its technology though I presume it wants others to share their specialist skills with it. Personally, I hope the deal is pulled and U.K. reshapes the deal with another third party - possibly France as it should have done in the first place. Time to move away from the new, unreliable, authoritarian Trumpstate.
Edit: Bernie Sanders Instagram view and one that I agree with.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKu4FYbSL4d/
[Post edited 12 Jun 18:26]
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Just imagine if the UK goes Reform and then we align ourselves with Trump and against Europe, Canada, Japan, Australia etc
We will be roayaly fooked
Though most of the people voting Reform won't realise this | | | |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 13:45 - Jun 12 with 537 views | Swansea_Blue |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 06:15 - Jun 12 by Churchman |
Interesting article from NBC on Trump’s probable attempts to politicise the armed forces:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-speech-prompts-concerns
When you look at stunts like this, the actual deployment of soldiers in LA and actions against protestors while pardoning the Capital Hill 2021 rioters, it seems to display all you need to know about this very simple man.
For Trump it’s my way or the highway. He’s always right, never wrong. You are for him or an enemy to be hit. Binary - for and against. There no listening, considering or rationalising. No challenge. Just him and his view of the world.
So what next for the military? How about them swearing allegiance directly to the President? Rather than the constitution? That would legitimise its use internally to crush dissenting criminals as any opposition are fast becoming. It is also what Adolf Hitler did to bind the army to him.
With regard to getting rid of illegal immigrants or let’s face it, anyone he doesn’t like, this is an interesting tactic
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-admin-tells-immigration
Get judges to arbitrarily dismiss cases, immediately arrest the applicant with no recourse to appeal, in chains and out. Well you can’t say it isn’t slick, even if it is wrong at many levels.
Lastly I see under America First, the Aukus submarine deal with U.K. and Australia is under threat. Basically, US doesn’t want to share its technology though I presume it wants others to share their specialist skills with it. Personally, I hope the deal is pulled and U.K. reshapes the deal with another third party - possibly France as it should have done in the first place. Time to move away from the new, unreliable, authoritarian Trumpstate.
Edit: Bernie Sanders Instagram view and one that I agree with.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKu4FYbSL4d/
[Post edited 12 Jun 18:26]
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Bernie Sanders speaks powerfully there. It’ll be completely dismissed by the Trump true believers, but that’s just where we are.
The future of American democracy is at stake. I don’t think that’s hyperbole. It’ll looks to me like they’re at a bit of a tipping point. It doesn’t have to get worst from here, but Trump is showing no signs of showing any respect towards the constitution nor the rule of law. There is no reason why he can’t continue to overreach. | |
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| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 14:03 - Jun 12 with 505 views | Churchman |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 13:45 - Jun 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Bernie Sanders speaks powerfully there. It’ll be completely dismissed by the Trump true believers, but that’s just where we are.
The future of American democracy is at stake. I don’t think that’s hyperbole. It’ll looks to me like they’re at a bit of a tipping point. It doesn’t have to get worst from here, but Trump is showing no signs of showing any respect towards the constitution nor the rule of law. There is no reason why he can’t continue to overreach. |
Yes, their democracy is at stake and it will get much worse from here. Trump and his merry band have no respect for the constitution, law, the people, other people, anything else.
Because they are right and it’s all about them and their pursuit of a new empire. That’s not hyperbole either. They’ve divided up spheres of influence and will take what is theirs if it is not freely given. The dictators playbook.
Countries brought to heel with shakedown tariffs, threats and humiliation, land that isn’t theirs stolen. Greenland, Canada, Panama, Ukraine, Poland, Baltics, far east countries for China. A new world order based on might is right. An order without objection. A world order where you show your power with military parades. Straight from the Nuremberg rally playbook. Enjoy Saturday Donald!
Farage’s wet dream. | | | |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 14:37 - Jun 12 with 451 views | iamatractorboy |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 13:45 - Jun 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Bernie Sanders speaks powerfully there. It’ll be completely dismissed by the Trump true believers, but that’s just where we are.
The future of American democracy is at stake. I don’t think that’s hyperbole. It’ll looks to me like they’re at a bit of a tipping point. It doesn’t have to get worst from here, but Trump is showing no signs of showing any respect towards the constitution nor the rule of law. There is no reason why he can’t continue to overreach. |
I'm not decided on whether Trump being 79 and out of shape is a blessing or not. What comes next might be even worse! | | | |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 17:50 - Jun 12 with 363 views | Swansea_Blue |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 14:37 - Jun 12 by iamatractorboy |
I'm not decided on whether Trump being 79 and out of shape is a blessing or not. What comes next might be even worse! |
It’s hard to know isn’t it. There are some right crackpots around him now. I’ve got a feeling he’s got that populist magic that very few have and that he’s key to what’s going on (much like UKIP/Brexit Party/Reform do badly without Farage).
Some of those around Trump are so extreme, and lack the wit and character to carry off what Trump has, that I think Trump could be the end of the line for this US experiment into authoritarianism. I hope I’m right, but could be completely wrong of course. I just can’t see Vance mobilising a core support in the way Trump has - he and all the others are just riding off the back of Trump. [Post edited 12 Jun 17:51]
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| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 20:17 - Jun 12 with 278 views | Kievthegreat |
California Sen. Alex Padilla was just forcibly removed from a DHS press conference and handcuffed.
"I am Senator Alex Padilla. I have questions for the secretary."
Video from @Elex_Michaelson on X via Padilla's staff. — Democracy Docket (@democracydocket.com) 2025-06-12T18:34:19.616Z
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| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 20:39 - Jun 12 with 257 views | redrickstuhaart |
Absolutely extraordinary and terrifying.
What lawful grounds do these people believe they had there?
But both sides eh? | | | |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 21:41 - Jun 12 with 192 views | iamatractorboy |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 20:39 - Jun 12 by redrickstuhaart |
Absolutely extraordinary and terrifying.
What lawful grounds do these people believe they had there?
But both sides eh? |
Apparently a Fox News channel showed an edited version without the knee in the back and handcuffing. Not sure why they bothered to censor it as I'm sure the brainwashed MAGA hoardes would be cheering it. | | | |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 22:33 - Jun 12 with 142 views | reusersfreekicks |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 20:39 - Jun 12 by redrickstuhaart |
Absolutely extraordinary and terrifying.
What lawful grounds do these people believe they had there?
But both sides eh? |
They are just getting more and more emboldened. Freedom and democracy are dying in the USA.
Why are people so stupid to support or vot for this? | | | |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 22:50 - Jun 12 with 107 views | redrickstuhaart |
| extraordinary footage this morning from the trump reich on 22:33 - Jun 12 by reusersfreekicks |
They are just getting more and more emboldened. Freedom and democracy are dying in the USA.
Why are people so stupid to support or vot for this? |
Given the size and power of the US, this is potentially world destroying.
You think the 3rd Reich was scary? | | | |
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