| Air India 171 11:30 - Jun 12 with 8458 views | Swansea_Blue |
Just awful. RIP to all those who lost their lives and my thoughts are with everyone affected. |  |
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| Air India 171 on 15:51 - Jun 12 with 1386 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Landing gear still down and flaps look basically at 0 to me, you're not going to get lift in that situation.
A mystery to why the plane would be in that configuration.
The 787 Dreamliners had a fantastic safety record before a few hours ago, not good at all. |  | | |
| Air India 171 on 15:59 - Jun 12 with 1343 views | MJallday |
| Air India 171 on 15:51 - Jun 12 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Landing gear still down and flaps look basically at 0 to me, you're not going to get lift in that situation.
A mystery to why the plane would be in that configuration.
The 787 Dreamliners had a fantastic safety record before a few hours ago, not good at all. |
i agree - flaps look at 0 , not even 5 , let alone 10/20 - which is what would be expected.
initial lift was ok... probably due to initial TOGA engine speed. i wonder if when he lifted the nose, speed dropped below critical value (due to no flaps) and it dropped below the amount of speed required to lift and the rest is not good. |  |
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| Air India 171 on 16:14 - Jun 12 with 1295 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Air India 171 on 15:59 - Jun 12 by MJallday |
i agree - flaps look at 0 , not even 5 , let alone 10/20 - which is what would be expected.
initial lift was ok... probably due to initial TOGA engine speed. i wonder if when he lifted the nose, speed dropped below critical value (due to no flaps) and it dropped below the amount of speed required to lift and the rest is not good. |
Sorry yes, I meant continued lift.
In a relatively new aircraft, take off and landing configurations have all kind of alarms altering pilots if things are not set correctly.
Unless they retracted the flaps instead of the the gear, which would just seem unfathomable, (I am not speculating that to be the case) but I just don't understand it at all.
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| Air India 171 on 16:29 - Jun 12 with 1241 views | Zx1988 |
| Air India 171 on 16:14 - Jun 12 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Sorry yes, I meant continued lift.
In a relatively new aircraft, take off and landing configurations have all kind of alarms altering pilots if things are not set correctly.
Unless they retracted the flaps instead of the the gear, which would just seem unfathomable, (I am not speculating that to be the case) but I just don't understand it at all.
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There's a video doing the rounds on Twitter from a chap who's claiming to have been on the Delhi-to-Ahmedabad leg of the journey, highlighting a few system failures within the cabin which he claims he recorded with a view to forwarding the video to Air India.
I assume that cockpit systems are completely isolated from cabin systems, but if there were bits and pieces that weren't working, perhaps any alarm systems also failed to activate? |  |
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| Air India 171 on 16:52 - Jun 12 with 1201 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Air India 171 on 16:29 - Jun 12 by Zx1988 |
There's a video doing the rounds on Twitter from a chap who's claiming to have been on the Delhi-to-Ahmedabad leg of the journey, highlighting a few system failures within the cabin which he claims he recorded with a view to forwarding the video to Air India.
I assume that cockpit systems are completely isolated from cabin systems, but if there were bits and pieces that weren't working, perhaps any alarm systems also failed to activate? |
Yeah not sure. No passenger really has any true insight into the cockpit going's on, depends what he is claiming I guess. I mean the amount of planes with flights flickering lights and TV's not working etc.
I did put myself through watching the full take off roll and initial climb, just doesn't appear configured correctly to me. Would be extremely rare for a double engine failure. At this point best to probably to wait for something more official. [Post edited 12 Jun 16:53]
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| Air India 171 on 16:58 - Jun 12 with 1164 views | Swansea_Blue |
I don’t believe in miracles, but that’s getting close to swaying me. It’s incredible that anyone could survive that. I’d say he’s lucky, but that might be assuming a lot as we don’t know if he lost anyone with him, how it’s affected him physically/mentally, etc. Amazing story though. | |
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| Air India 171 on 17:02 - Jun 12 with 1146 views | DanTheMan |
| Air India 171 on 16:52 - Jun 12 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yeah not sure. No passenger really has any true insight into the cockpit going's on, depends what he is claiming I guess. I mean the amount of planes with flights flickering lights and TV's not working etc.
I did put myself through watching the full take off roll and initial climb, just doesn't appear configured correctly to me. Would be extremely rare for a double engine failure. At this point best to probably to wait for something more official. [Post edited 12 Jun 16:53]
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https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1l9hqzp/air_india_flight_171_crash/?s
This is Reddit so take it with a massive pinch of salt but the top comment there is suggesting a double engine failure because of the RAT deployment I mentioned earlier.
Honestly some interesting bits throughout the thread from people who seem to know what they are talking about. |  |
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| Air India 171 on 17:03 - Jun 12 with 1144 views | vapour_trail |
| Air India 171 on 16:58 - Jun 12 by Swansea_Blue |
I don’t believe in miracles, but that’s getting close to swaying me. It’s incredible that anyone could survive that. I’d say he’s lucky, but that might be assuming a lot as we don’t know if he lost anyone with him, how it’s affected him physically/mentally, etc. Amazing story though. |
I was just thinking the same, what sort of mental outlook do you walk away from that with.
Potentially lost all of your loved ones though. |  |
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| Air India 171 on 17:04 - Jun 12 with 1141 views | Churchman |
| Air India 171 on 14:10 - Jun 12 by DanTheMan |
Whatever you do, don't look at anything on Twitter about it cos there are some incredibly graphic photos and videos doing the rounds apparently.
A few aviation bods seem to be suggesting it seems like there was a complete engine / power failure because the RAT was deployed which is some form of emergency power equipment. |
The Ram Air Turbine (RAT) was a big factor in saving the Hudson River A320 from breaking up. Not only does it keep the instruments on, some hydraulics and in the Airbus ditching automatically kept the wings level.
On that aircraft it was deployed by the crew. Whether or not it did so automatically on the 787 (if it did at all), I don’t know.
Either way, I cannot see why the flaps wouldn’t have been deployed as part of take off procedure. It’s something you do with literally every powered aeroplane (the increase lift and reduce stalling speed). If it had a complete failure, the crew had literally no chance of saving it.
It’ll be interesting to see what happened. [Post edited 12 Jun 17:10]
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| Air India 171 on 17:05 - Jun 12 with 1135 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Air India 171 on 16:58 - Jun 12 by Swansea_Blue |
I don’t believe in miracles, but that’s getting close to swaying me. It’s incredible that anyone could survive that. I’d say he’s lucky, but that might be assuming a lot as we don’t know if he lost anyone with him, how it’s affected him physically/mentally, etc. Amazing story though. |
Believe his brother was on the flight. A few times this has happened with just one survivor, incusing a child once in the late 80s I think in the states.
Also a Co Pilot was the only one to survive in Kentucky when they took off from the wrong runway (although he was seriously hurt). | | | |
| Air India 171 on 17:11 - Jun 12 with 1107 views | Mummy_Short_Arms |
| Air India 171 on 16:58 - Jun 12 by Swansea_Blue |
I don’t believe in miracles, but that’s getting close to swaying me. It’s incredible that anyone could survive that. I’d say he’s lucky, but that might be assuming a lot as we don’t know if he lost anyone with him, how it’s affected him physically/mentally, etc. Amazing story though. |
Guess we need to wait for his story but having seen the fireball, it's unfathomable anyone survives, let alone walks away seemingly injury free ?! Almost like a scene from Samuel L Jackson in Unbreakable.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/12/air-india-flight-ai171-plane- [Post edited 12 Jun 17:13]
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| Air India 171 on 17:36 - Jun 12 with 1047 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Air India 171 on 13:26 - Jun 12 by Churchman |
I can’t really see the flaps, but certainly it lacked airspeed and stalled into the ground. The data recorders, crew conversation with the footage should tell the story. Very sad.
The Boeing 787 has proven a reliable aeroplane since it’s teething troubles were resolved. Given the miserable publicity they’ve been getting, I’m sure Boeing will want this resolved ASAP. |
Obviously Boeing’s normal approach is to just pay off the authorities to stop any prosecutions
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jun/05/us-boeing-deal-over-737-max-cra |  | | |
| Air India 171 on 17:41 - Jun 12 with 1027 views | Swansea_Blue |
Blimey. I’d assumed he’d been rescued, not just wandering the streets. | |
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| Air India 171 on 17:42 - Jun 12 with 1024 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Air India 171 on 17:05 - Jun 12 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Believe his brother was on the flight. A few times this has happened with just one survivor, incusing a child once in the late 80s I think in the states.
Also a Co Pilot was the only one to survive in Kentucky when they took off from the wrong runway (although he was seriously hurt). |
Poor sod. It’s awful. And made a lot worse by the casualties on the ground of course. | |
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| Air India 171 on 17:48 - Jun 12 with 1004 views | textbackup |
| Air India 171 on 15:42 - Jun 12 by blueasfook |
So 11A is the seat you want to be in on a 787 it seems! |
Watch them wack the seat price up! [Post edited 12 Jun 17:48]
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| Air India 171 on 18:13 - Jun 12 with 955 views | Churchman |
That’s dreadful. Why am I not surprised.
Boeing will be backed come what may by the Americans and I’m even more convinced after reading the link that the pilots or maintenance crews will get the blame, even if there’s a more deep seated problem. | | | |
| Air India 171 on 18:41 - Jun 12 with 910 views | WeWereZombies |
| Air India 171 on 18:13 - Jun 12 by Churchman |
That’s dreadful. Why am I not surprised.
Boeing will be backed come what may by the Americans and I’m even more convinced after reading the link that the pilots or maintenance crews will get the blame, even if there’s a more deep seated problem. |
'US investigators also heading to India
published at 15:20
We're also hearing that US investigators will be travelling to India, with the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) saying it will assist with the crash investigation.
In a post on X, the NTSB says it will be "leading" the US team, adding that the Indian government will be providing "all information" in accordance with international protocols of the International Civil Aviation Organization, a UN agency.
The plane that crashed shortly after take-off at India's Ahmedabad airport was a US-manufactured Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner.'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8d1r3m8z92t
Hopefully the Indian and UK teams will have been able to carry out their initial investigations unhindered before Team USA arrive... |  |
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| Air India 171 on 18:48 - Jun 12 with 895 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Air India 171 on 18:13 - Jun 12 by Churchman |
That’s dreadful. Why am I not surprised.
Boeing will be backed come what may by the Americans and I’m even more convinced after reading the link that the pilots or maintenance crews will get the blame, even if there’s a more deep seated problem. |
Very different planes though, the original MCAS design was always a potential fatal flaw on the MAX (at least it was without the correct Pilot training). It was an automated system that activated to override the pitch and force the nose down.
It was designed to do so at high altitude because of the design of the plane (the engines being further forward than normal) which could lead to forcing a slight pitch up at cruising altitude. That all made sense in theory, however, it could accidentally activate just after take off if the plane had faulty Angle of Attack sensors, which was the case in the two crashes.
The Dreamliner has been flying impeccably and basically without incident for 15 years, carrying literally a billion passengers. | | | |
| Air India 171 on 18:58 - Jun 12 with 870 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Air India 171 on 18:41 - Jun 12 by WeWereZombies |
'US investigators also heading to India
published at 15:20
We're also hearing that US investigators will be travelling to India, with the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) saying it will assist with the crash investigation.
In a post on X, the NTSB says it will be "leading" the US team, adding that the Indian government will be providing "all information" in accordance with international protocols of the International Civil Aviation Organization, a UN agency.
The plane that crashed shortly after take-off at India's Ahmedabad airport was a US-manufactured Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner.'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8d1r3m8z92t
Hopefully the Indian and UK teams will have been able to carry out their initial investigations unhindered before Team USA arrive... |
Not exactly sure what you are trying to suggest in regards to the NTSB. | | | |
| Air India 171 on 19:04 - Jun 12 with 850 views | Churchman |
| Air India 171 on 18:48 - Jun 12 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Very different planes though, the original MCAS design was always a potential fatal flaw on the MAX (at least it was without the correct Pilot training). It was an automated system that activated to override the pitch and force the nose down.
It was designed to do so at high altitude because of the design of the plane (the engines being further forward than normal) which could lead to forcing a slight pitch up at cruising altitude. That all made sense in theory, however, it could accidentally activate just after take off if the plane had faulty Angle of Attack sensors, which was the case in the two crashes.
The Dreamliner has been flying impeccably and basically without incident for 15 years, carrying literally a billion passengers. |
The software on the 737 Max was designed to make the aeroplane fly in a similar way to its predecessors to cut retraining costs. The 737 is a very old basic design and the modern engines threw the design out of balance. If you look at one, the engines are virtually on the tarmac. It’s a bit of a dogs dinner and should have been replaced years ago.
The 787 is.a relatively modern aeroplane - the last Boeing designed from scratch including modern technologies, lightweight carbon fibre (which the had real trouble with having no experience with it) etc.
Edit: the rumours of slack build, cost cutting, cover ups, paying people off, pushing Boeing come what may have been around for a long time.
But before any juicy conspiracy theory can be enjoyed, the facts of this awful accident need to come out first. [Post edited 12 Jun 19:09]
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| Air India 171 on 19:18 - Jun 12 with 808 views | vapour_trail |
The BBC interviewing the family of the guy who walked away from that plane is disgraceful.
He’s clearly so uncomfortable talking to them. | |
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| Air India 171 on 19:18 - Jun 12 with 803 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Air India 171 on 19:04 - Jun 12 by Churchman |
The software on the 737 Max was designed to make the aeroplane fly in a similar way to its predecessors to cut retraining costs. The 737 is a very old basic design and the modern engines threw the design out of balance. If you look at one, the engines are virtually on the tarmac. It’s a bit of a dogs dinner and should have been replaced years ago.
The 787 is.a relatively modern aeroplane - the last Boeing designed from scratch including modern technologies, lightweight carbon fibre (which the had real trouble with having no experience with it) etc.
Edit: the rumours of slack build, cost cutting, cover ups, paying people off, pushing Boeing come what may have been around for a long time.
But before any juicy conspiracy theory can be enjoyed, the facts of this awful accident need to come out first. [Post edited 12 Jun 19:09]
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Sort of, they were losing a tone of contracts to Airbus on short haul stuff so revamped their 737s to be more modern and fuel efficient. | | | |
| Air India 171 on 19:26 - Jun 12 with 779 views | Churchman |
| Air India 171 on 19:18 - Jun 12 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Sort of, they were losing a tone of contracts to Airbus on short haul stuff so revamped their 737s to be more modern and fuel efficient. |
You can only modify and take so much weight out of an ancient design (60 years old in 2027). And this is Boeing’s problem. They’ve been making wrong choices (for example not replacing the 757) and wring out old designs for years. Yet they can’t even produce a couple of Presidential aeroplanes on time or budget.
Not that this has anything to do with the 787. It’s actually a comfortable aeroplane, having flown on one a couple of times. | | | |
| Air India 171 on 19:32 - Jun 12 with 756 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Air India 171 on 19:26 - Jun 12 by Churchman |
You can only modify and take so much weight out of an ancient design (60 years old in 2027). And this is Boeing’s problem. They’ve been making wrong choices (for example not replacing the 757) and wring out old designs for years. Yet they can’t even produce a couple of Presidential aeroplanes on time or budget.
Not that this has anything to do with the 787. It’s actually a comfortable aeroplane, having flown on one a couple of times. |
Right, people should not jump to any conclusions on his incident because of the problems with the max, especially with the history of he 787. | | | |
| Air India 171 on 19:44 - Jun 12 with 733 views | Churchman |
| Air India 171 on 19:32 - Jun 12 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Right, people should not jump to any conclusions on his incident because of the problems with the max, especially with the history of he 787. |
I haven’t. I have repeatedly said the investigation has to come first.
However, people outside US are bound to speculate, given that Boeing is the flagship manufacturer and some of the stuff that’s rumoured and happened in recent years. | | | |
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