| Israel attack Iran 01:37 - Jun 13 with 6652 views | Perublue |
Oh dear … this is going to be a quick and large retaliation. |  |
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| Israel attack Iran on 23:43 - Jun 13 with 1430 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Israel attack Iran on 16:01 - Jun 13 by Blueschev |
From what I have read the regime does not enjoy huge popular support, and their economy has been struggling for a long time. I'm not sure however, that disillusionment with the current rulers would translate to support for its overthrow from an outside power, especially seeing how that has worked out for their neighbours. |
Precisely. The poor Iranian people have been subject to Western meddling since the assassination of Mossaddegh in 1953. Despite the fact that dislike the current regime, they neither need nor want any outside "help". |  | | |
| Israel attack Iran on 23:45 - Jun 13 with 1421 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Israel attack Iran on 16:03 - Jun 13 by Bobbychase |
For starters here's a Tweet by celebrity Town fan and proud Iranian Omid Djalili
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With all due respect, you've added 2 and 2 and made 347. | | | |
| Israel attack Iran on 00:23 - Jun 14 with 1356 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Israel attack Iran on 23:45 - Jun 13 by Cafe_Newman |
With all due respect, you've added 2 and 2 and made 347. |
Surely there's no middle ground between Ayatollahs and rampant vacuous consumerist, soul destroying capitalism. |  |
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| Israel attack Iran on 07:11 - Jun 14 with 1238 views | NthQldITFC |
| Israel attack Iran on 00:23 - Jun 14 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Surely there's no middle ground between Ayatollahs and rampant vacuous consumerist, soul destroying capitalism. |
I know that one side has no principles, but I'm not so familiar with the other. |  |
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| Israel attack Iran on 08:43 - Jun 14 with 1181 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
'A missile fired from Yemen by the Iran-backed Houthi militia, killed five Palestinians including three children in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, according to the Palestinian Red Crescent.
It was earlier reported that a missile hit the Palestinian town of Sa’ir. The Israel Defence Force said no interceptors were launched to prevent the missile strike.'
Funny that!! | |
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| Israel attack Iran on 09:26 - Jun 14 with 1126 views | DJR |
| Israel attack Iran on 13:09 - Jun 13 by mellowblue |
Don't think Gaddafi really had much of a WMD program, as with Saddam, it might have been talked up by the West, paint them as the bogey-figure etc, but it never existed. It was the Arab spring that did for him really, it led to civil war and the West throwing their weight behind the rebels ( who were a mix of different tribes and jihadists), which toppled Gaddafi but led to a power vacuum and another civil war. Now Libya is a radicalized Muslim country akin to Afghanistan now.
Personally I think that the American should have kept the tracks rolling during the 2nd Gulf War and took out Iran. They were in place and pretty unscathed. Thought so at the time and still do. |
Taking out Iran? Wow! Not even Donald "Unknown Unknowns" Rumsfield took that view. |  | | |
| Israel attack Iran on 13:02 - Jun 14 with 992 views | mellowblue |
| Israel attack Iran on 09:26 - Jun 14 by DJR |
Taking out Iran? Wow! Not even Donald "Unknown Unknowns" Rumsfield took that view. |
taking out Iran maybe was the wrong verb, lazy writing. Invade and instigate a regime change might have been more acceptable. Point is it was always likely to happen one day, might as well got it done back in the day. A more settled Middle East and without Iran backing Hamas and Hezbollah, it might have prevented the Gaza situation. Though that is speculative. |  | | |
| Israel attack Iran on 13:25 - Jun 14 with 934 views | noggin |
| Israel attack Iran on 08:43 - Jun 14 by BanksterDebtSlave |
'A missile fired from Yemen by the Iran-backed Houthi militia, killed five Palestinians including three children in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, according to the Palestinian Red Crescent.
It was earlier reported that a missile hit the Palestinian town of Sa’ir. The Israel Defence Force said no interceptors were launched to prevent the missile strike.'
Funny that!! |
Netanyahu and Trump will love that. 3 dead Palestinian children and all at no cost. |  |
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| Israel attack Iran on 13:37 - Jun 14 with 904 views | DJR |
| Israel attack Iran on 13:02 - Jun 14 by mellowblue |
taking out Iran maybe was the wrong verb, lazy writing. Invade and instigate a regime change might have been more acceptable. Point is it was always likely to happen one day, might as well got it done back in the day. A more settled Middle East and without Iran backing Hamas and Hezbollah, it might have prevented the Gaza situation. Though that is speculative. |
No problem at all. We're all guilty of loose language on TWTD at times since we are merely commenting not writing a dissertation.
The issue though is that we couldn't be sure of the outcome of toppling the regime. Nor am I sure that it would have been easy to do.
And when it comes to Hamas, don't forget the role that Netanyahu played in propping them up in order to prevent a Palestinian state.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown
For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.
The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad. [Post edited 14 Jun 14:46]
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| Israel attack Iran on 14:40 - Jun 14 with 814 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Israel attack Iran on 11:50 - Jun 13 by baxterbasics |
Well this is the gamble for Israel. Yes this may degrade Iran's capability in the short/medium term, but simultaneously will make them more determined to achieve the ambition, and more likely to move their program underground and away from the scrutiny of international orgs.
Point made by the BBC news this morning, Iran looks at the example of Ghaddafi, who was persuaded / bribed to abandon his WMD programmes, only to end up dead in a ditch, whilst N Korea have nuked up and now nobody will even contemplate messing with them.
Iran are definitely one of the key 'baddies' in the region, they are the agitators arming and encouraging the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah, they made it clear they want Israel wiped off the map. It would be massively destabilising for the region if Iran succeeds in being nuclear armed, and would likely lead to Saudi Arabia doing the same possibly others such as Egypt. But that doesn't mean Israel has done the right thing here - big gamble, and the action itself also destabilising. For the region, the world, and for my investment portfolio! |
Just for clarity: is Netanyahu also "one of the baddies in the region"?
I think he is, but then I am quite old-fashioned about the whole "starving children to death" thing.
For the record, this doesn't make me anti-Semitic, or pro-Hamas.
I do think that Netanyahu, and his predecessors, could have done more to facilitate the success of Fatah, and opposed the ethnic cleansing of the "Settler Movement" and, had they done so, Hamas may never have had sufficient support to take the Gaza Strip from the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority.
Please note, I am talking about a series of Israeli politicians, not the State of Israel or Jewish people generally, and this is a criticism of the policies of successive Israeli Governments, and not of the right of the State of Israel to exist. | | | |
| Israel attack Iran on 15:06 - Jun 14 with 763 views | mellowblue |
| Israel attack Iran on 13:37 - Jun 14 by DJR |
No problem at all. We're all guilty of loose language on TWTD at times since we are merely commenting not writing a dissertation.
The issue though is that we couldn't be sure of the outcome of toppling the regime. Nor am I sure that it would have been easy to do.
And when it comes to Hamas, don't forget the role that Netanyahu played in propping them up in order to prevent a Palestinian state.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown
For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.
The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad. [Post edited 14 Jun 14:46]
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I suspect the constant threat from Iran in the last many years has created a total bunker mentality in Israel that leads to leaders such as Netanyahu being elected. Not created because there have been many historic threats to Israel, but maintained and increased it. Certainly removing Saddam from Iraq has left a bit of a power vacuum there and an over-confident Iran totally dominant in that region. As you say I agree that the Israeli hawks have been itching for expansion and to do that it needs a conflict. They will end up with a sizable "buffer zone" so big that the Gazaan people will each have a plot the size of a postage stamp to live on. | | | |
| Israel attack Iran on 16:59 - Jun 14 with 696 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Israel attack Iran on 13:02 - Jun 14 by mellowblue |
taking out Iran maybe was the wrong verb, lazy writing. Invade and instigate a regime change might have been more acceptable. Point is it was always likely to happen one day, might as well got it done back in the day. A more settled Middle East and without Iran backing Hamas and Hezbollah, it might have prevented the Gaza situation. Though that is speculative. |
Looking at how taking control of Afghanistan worked out, I doubt the outcome would have been in any way better than it is now. |  |
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| Israel attack Iran on 19:20 - Jun 14 with 642 views | mellowblue |
| Israel attack Iran on 16:59 - Jun 14 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Looking at how taking control of Afghanistan worked out, I doubt the outcome would have been in any way better than it is now. |
They took Iraq in double quick time. Beating the armed forces there was easier than subduing the Iran backed insurgent stuff afterwards. | | | |
| Israel attack Iran on 21:23 - Jun 14 with 580 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Israel attack Iran on 11:58 - Jun 13 by DJR |
This comment from Trump certainly suggests at least a nod and a wink.
“I gave Iran chance after chance to make a deal. I told them, in the strongest of words, to “just do it,” but no matter how hard they tried, no matter how close they got, they just couldn’t get it done.
I told them it would be much worse than anything they know, anticipated, or were told, that the United States makes the best and most lethal military equipment anywhere in the World, BY FAR, and that Israel has a lot of it, with much more to come - And they know how to use it.
Certain Iranian hardliner’s spoke bravely, but they didn’t know what was about to happen. They are all DEAD now, and it will only get worse!
There has already been great death and destruction, but there is still time to make this slaughter, with the next already planned attacks being even more brutal, come to an end.
Iran must make a deal, before there is nothing left, and save what was once known as the Iranian Empire. No more death, no more destruction, JUST DO IT, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. God Bless You All! [Post edited 13 Jun 11:59]
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More information coming put today that the USA and Israel have been planning this for more than 2 years and Trump’s position has merely accelerated it and emboldened Israel.
The ‘negotiation’ with Iran since Trump came into power has been no more than a falsehood to get Iran to lower their guard |  | | |
| Israel attack Iran on 01:14 - Jun 15 with 451 views | StokieBlue |
| Israel attack Iran on 19:20 - Jun 14 by mellowblue |
They took Iraq in double quick time. Beating the armed forces there was easier than subduing the Iran backed insurgent stuff afterwards. |
So you're saying they should have extended an illegal war with a large number of deaths into yet another country?
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| Israel attack Iran on 08:17 - Jun 15 with 338 views | blueasfook |
| Israel attack Iran on 13:25 - Jun 14 by noggin |
Netanyahu and Trump will love that. 3 dead Palestinian children and all at no cost. |
Only on TWTD could an Iranian missile striking Palestinian territory be turned on Netanhyu and Trump. |  |
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| Israel attack Iran on 08:58 - Jun 15 with 298 views | DJR |
Interesting comment from Gideon Levy in today's Israeli newspaper Haaretz.
"The wings on the uniforms of our air force pilots, covered with the blood of thousands of children and tens of thousands of innocent people, were purified in an instant after several sorties to Iran. What heroes...."
This seems to mirror the Western reaction to the strikes on Iran which emphasised Israel's right of self-defence. But as someone who studied international law at university, my view is that this is stretching self-defence way beyond its normal meaning given the circumstances.
In contrast, Muslim countries (many hostile to Iran) have condemned the Israeli action which is yet further evidence of a disconnect between the West (which talks about, but pays lip service to, the rules-based international order) and much of the rest of the world.
In many ways though, it is a brilliant move politically by Netanyahu because it strengthens his position at home, brings Western nations back into line and takes the international heat off him when it comes to Gaza.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/14/israel-attack-on-iran-slows-diplom
"Strikes on Iran ease pressure on Israel to end starvation in Gaza"
It is interesting to note that Netanyahu has been talking about regime change in Iran (no doubt to further justify what he is doing), and that I have seen a few articles in this country talking this possibility up. Of course, there is nothing I would prefer more than the fall of the regime in Iran, but it seems to me that talk of this is rather fanciful, especially without a full-scale invasion, which doesn't seem on the cards. [Post edited 15 Jun 9:01]
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| Israel attack Iran on 09:42 - Jun 15 with 264 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Israel attack Iran on 08:58 - Jun 15 by DJR |
Interesting comment from Gideon Levy in today's Israeli newspaper Haaretz.
"The wings on the uniforms of our air force pilots, covered with the blood of thousands of children and tens of thousands of innocent people, were purified in an instant after several sorties to Iran. What heroes...."
This seems to mirror the Western reaction to the strikes on Iran which emphasised Israel's right of self-defence. But as someone who studied international law at university, my view is that this is stretching self-defence way beyond its normal meaning given the circumstances.
In contrast, Muslim countries (many hostile to Iran) have condemned the Israeli action which is yet further evidence of a disconnect between the West (which talks about, but pays lip service to, the rules-based international order) and much of the rest of the world.
In many ways though, it is a brilliant move politically by Netanyahu because it strengthens his position at home, brings Western nations back into line and takes the international heat off him when it comes to Gaza.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/14/israel-attack-on-iran-slows-diplom
"Strikes on Iran ease pressure on Israel to end starvation in Gaza"
It is interesting to note that Netanyahu has been talking about regime change in Iran (no doubt to further justify what he is doing), and that I have seen a few articles in this country talking this possibility up. Of course, there is nothing I would prefer more than the fall of the regime in Iran, but it seems to me that talk of this is rather fanciful, especially without a full-scale invasion, which doesn't seem on the cards. [Post edited 15 Jun 9:01]
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Seems pretty fair.....
'Iran's foreign minister accuses UN Security Council of ‘indifference’ over Israel attacks
Iran’s foreign minister, Abbas Araghchi, criticised the United Nations Security Council on Sunday, accusing it of “indifference” over Israel’s attacks on Iran.
In a meeting with foreign diplomats broadcast on state TV, Araghchi said the Israeli attack “is being met with indifference at the Security Council”, adding that Western governments have “condemned Iran instead of Israel despite it being the side that was violated”.
He said the attacks on Israel will end when its “aggression stops”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/15/at-least-eight-killed-in-iran | |
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