| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets 12:29 - Jun 28 with 2304 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Doesn’t seem like they are going to be taking our approach from last summer. Let’s see if it works out any better for them. I hope we aren’t going to be doing the “Predominantly English” thing from a level down again if we get the chance this time next year, heard Ashton repeat that phrase on the Talksport segment.
If you can’t get Premier League experience, the European top leagues seems the best logical next step, or at least a blend of two. Sorry to beat an old drum but I did see the first couple of transfer interesting. |  | | |  |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:31 - Jun 28 with 1874 views | StokieBlue |
Leeds were in the PL only a couple of seasons ago and had a large international scouting network which we simply didn't have coming from L1.
It's not a fair comparison.
As for Sunderland, that is slightly different but they have been on a more steady trajectory and likely also had more of a network in place.
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| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:34 - Jun 28 with 1821 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:31 - Jun 28 by StokieBlue |
Leeds were in the PL only a couple of seasons ago and had a large international scouting network which we simply didn't have coming from L1.
It's not a fair comparison.
As for Sunderland, that is slightly different but they have been on a more steady trajectory and likely also had more of a network in place.
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Agreed, the setup at Leeds is still very good having been improved considerably under Bielsa. And there’s a very good chance that Sunderland have been able to access data from Dortmund’s scouting network as part of the Bellingham deal. Smart move if so. |  | | |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:40 - Jun 28 with 1751 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:31 - Jun 28 by StokieBlue |
Leeds were in the PL only a couple of seasons ago and had a large international scouting network which we simply didn't have coming from L1.
It's not a fair comparison.
As for Sunderland, that is slightly different but they have been on a more steady trajectory and likely also had more of a network in place.
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Fair points especially when it pertains to Leeds but some of it seemed to be by design when you listen to the interviews. Even Cajuste is English speaking and perhaps only came on our radar after speaking to Brentford.
Talking of Brentford, who apparently have a very low wage bill in PL terms, their entire starting 11 was basically built this way, on decent deals as well, I hope some serious investment is going into that area of the club. Sunderland hasn’t been there for a while. Forgetting the overspend, Forest went nuts and had been out as long as us, maybe used scouting networks through the ownership I guess. | | | |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:43 - Jun 28 with 1710 views | StokieBlue |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:40 - Jun 28 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Fair points especially when it pertains to Leeds but some of it seemed to be by design when you listen to the interviews. Even Cajuste is English speaking and perhaps only came on our radar after speaking to Brentford.
Talking of Brentford, who apparently have a very low wage bill in PL terms, their entire starting 11 was basically built this way, on decent deals as well, I hope some serious investment is going into that area of the club. Sunderland hasn’t been there for a while. Forgetting the overspend, Forest went nuts and had been out as long as us, maybe used scouting networks through the ownership I guess. |
I hope we've been using the last 12 months or so to get the basis of a European scouting network in place.
It's the real way to get value in player trading.
I don't expect to see many international additions this summer though but we will see.
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| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:47 - Jun 28 with 1662 views | mellowblue |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:34 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
Agreed, the setup at Leeds is still very good having been improved considerably under Bielsa. And there’s a very good chance that Sunderland have been able to access data from Dortmund’s scouting network as part of the Bellingham deal. Smart move if so. |
I very much doubt that is happening. Dortmund would be fools to, given Leeds budget. Very different to us having access to Brighton's when our budget was miniscule in comparison. | | | |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:49 - Jun 28 with 1653 views | ArnieM |
I believe last season, McKenna said he wanted home grown players due to the potential language barrier experienced with foreign players who didnt speak English, which disrupted training sessions..... so we have potentially excluded a whole swaith of possible signings. |  |
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| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:50 - Jun 28 with 1635 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:43 - Jun 28 by StokieBlue |
I hope we've been using the last 12 months or so to get the basis of a European scouting network in place.
It's the real way to get value in player trading.
I don't expect to see many international additions this summer though but we will see.
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Unlikely but hopefully our business last year means we are in good shape to have another go at it next summer. | | | |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:54 - Jun 28 with 1578 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:49 - Jun 28 by ArnieM |
I believe last season, McKenna said he wanted home grown players due to the potential language barrier experienced with foreign players who didnt speak English, which disrupted training sessions..... so we have potentially excluded a whole swaith of possible signings. |
There was various quotes if you look through the interviews which lead me to believe some of it was by design, which was my main concern. Not going to cut it at that level, certainly need a blend of both and the value is on the continent. Even if they don’t have PL experience they can often be persuaded to go a lower PL club from the top European leagues. | | | |
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| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:56 - Jun 28 with 1562 views | PhilTWTD |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:54 - Jun 28 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
There was various quotes if you look through the interviews which lead me to believe some of it was by design, which was my main concern. Not going to cut it at that level, certainly need a blend of both and the value is on the continent. Even if they don’t have PL experience they can often be persuaded to go a lower PL club from the top European leagues. |
I think it has been by design, which has surprised me. I don't see it changing, either. The concentration has continued to be on the UK market. |  | | |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:56 - Jun 28 with 1543 views | bobbyramsey |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:49 - Jun 28 by ArnieM |
I believe last season, McKenna said he wanted home grown players due to the potential language barrier experienced with foreign players who didnt speak English, which disrupted training sessions..... so we have potentially excluded a whole swaith of possible signings. |
Crazy attitude coming from a highly intelligent man, almost discriminatory.
Othe clubs seem to manage very well and English is spoken all over the world now don't you know..... |  | | |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 13:01 - Jun 28 with 1493 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:56 - Jun 28 by PhilTWTD |
I think it has been by design, which has surprised me. I don't see it changing, either. The concentration has continued to be on the UK market. |
Yikes, this is even more concerning then! Are they not looking at the success elsewhere?! | | | |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 13:01 - Jun 28 with 1482 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:47 - Jun 28 by mellowblue |
I very much doubt that is happening. Dortmund would be fools to, given Leeds budget. Very different to us having access to Brighton's when our budget was miniscule in comparison. |
Leeds are irrelevant. Sunderland’s budget will not compare to Dortmund and they’ll be in the market for a very different level of player. It’s fairly common. | | | |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 13:31 - Jun 28 with 1263 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:56 - Jun 28 by bobbyramsey |
Crazy attitude coming from a highly intelligent man, almost discriminatory.
Othe clubs seem to manage very well and English is spoken all over the world now don't you know..... |
What annoys me is quite a few of our fans saying that was our only option to get the best from the Championship, as you can’t get PL experience, even heard it echoed on Blue Monday and elsewhere.
It wasn’t about PL experience it was about trying to get players from abroad that have played in the top European leagues, ideally with the physical attributes!
Habib Diarra To Sunderland for 30M+ from France, exactly the kind of profile you want! | | | |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 13:33 - Jun 28 with 1232 views | southnorfolkblue |
Let’s see how many points Sunderland get next season before we extol the virtues of their recruitment. | |
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| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 13:35 - Jun 28 with 1185 views | mellowblue |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 13:01 - Jun 28 by SimonBatfordITFC |
Leeds are irrelevant. Sunderland’s budget will not compare to Dortmund and they’ll be in the market for a very different level of player. It’s fairly common. |
I meant Sunderland obviously. | | | |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 13:36 - Jun 28 with 1178 views | Trequartista |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:56 - Jun 28 by PhilTWTD |
I think it has been by design, which has surprised me. I don't see it changing, either. The concentration has continued to be on the UK market. |
I heard we get use of Tony Bloom's software again now we're in a different league to Brighton, would have hoped that would have unearthed some value gems from far-flung places. |  |
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| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 13:38 - Jun 28 with 1160 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 13:33 - Jun 28 by southnorfolkblue |
Let’s see how many points Sunderland get next season before we extol the virtues of their recruitment. |
Well sure.
I literally said, “Let’s see if it works out any better for them”.
I think it’s a very fair question though, especially when Phil has confirmed we aren’t even seemingly changing course now. | | | |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 13:52 - Jun 28 with 1066 views | LankHenners |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:56 - Jun 28 by PhilTWTD |
I think it has been by design, which has surprised me. I don't see it changing, either. The concentration has continued to be on the UK market. |
Is part of it that our overseas operations aren't at the level we want them to be yet? Not to use it as an excuse for us not exploring that market but the public noises seem to be we want to have a fairly extensive set-up in that regard and perhaps we don't want to start flying that particular plane until every single nut and bolt is tightly screwed in and polished.
Wouldn't agree with that necessarily as we surely have enough behind the scenes to start casting our net a bit farther and McKenna has said publicly a few times now that it's something the club needs to get on with, but might explain our reluctance to get our feet wet. |  |
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| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 13:55 - Jun 28 with 1024 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 13:52 - Jun 28 by LankHenners |
Is part of it that our overseas operations aren't at the level we want them to be yet? Not to use it as an excuse for us not exploring that market but the public noises seem to be we want to have a fairly extensive set-up in that regard and perhaps we don't want to start flying that particular plane until every single nut and bolt is tightly screwed in and polished.
Wouldn't agree with that necessarily as we surely have enough behind the scenes to start casting our net a bit farther and McKenna has said publicly a few times now that it's something the club needs to get on with, but might explain our reluctance to get our feet wet. |
These are the kind of questions we need to hear asked to Ashton and co! | | | |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 13:58 - Jun 28 with 1003 views | Zx1988 |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 13:36 - Jun 28 by Trequartista |
I heard we get use of Tony Bloom's software again now we're in a different league to Brighton, would have hoped that would have unearthed some value gems from far-flung places. |
It seems counter-intuitive, but I hope that's not the case.
Whilst having Brighton's data would be good in the short term, it merely kicks the can even further down the road with regards to having to get our own system up and running. | |
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| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 14:03 - Jun 28 with 938 views | Sharkey |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:56 - Jun 28 by bobbyramsey |
Crazy attitude coming from a highly intelligent man, almost discriminatory.
Othe clubs seem to manage very well and English is spoken all over the world now don't you know..... |
Makes you wonder if McKenna had specially bad experiences with 'language cliques' at Old Trafford, because it always felt like a bizarre thing to say. |  | | |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 14:10 - Jun 28 with 898 views | SheffordBlue |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:49 - Jun 28 by ArnieM |
I believe last season, McKenna said he wanted home grown players due to the potential language barrier experienced with foreign players who didnt speak English, which disrupted training sessions..... so we have potentially excluded a whole swaith of possible signings. |
The quote from the leaked document (if accurate) used the phrase "to understand English or to have worked previously with an English-speaking coach" which is quite a bit broader.
McKenna has previously referenced not having the infrastructure in place to integrate overseas players and their families but that's part of the role of James Tedford as the logistics managers so maybe we're better placed for that now. | |
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| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 14:16 - Jun 28 with 852 views | SheffordBlue |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 12:56 - Jun 28 by PhilTWTD |
I think it has been by design, which has surprised me. I don't see it changing, either. The concentration has continued to be on the UK market. |
I do wonder if we'd have been further along the line with our recruitment set up if Sam Williams hadn't left when he did. At the time what was left of the recruitment team was then trying to scout/recruit for both the Championship (if we'd fallen short) and the Prem.
I would have hoped it would have been area we would have strengthened since the end of last summer's window and we did add another UK focussed technical scout in January.
One of the recent job adverts for a recruitment analyst talks about working to both the Head of Recruitment and Head of Scouting and we currently only have the latter position filled - so maybe that's one of the job roles Ashton was talking about when he said we were beefing this team up. | |
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| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 14:17 - Jun 28 with 835 views | PhilTWTD |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 13:52 - Jun 28 by LankHenners |
Is part of it that our overseas operations aren't at the level we want them to be yet? Not to use it as an excuse for us not exploring that market but the public noises seem to be we want to have a fairly extensive set-up in that regard and perhaps we don't want to start flying that particular plane until every single nut and bolt is tightly screwed in and polished.
Wouldn't agree with that necessarily as we surely have enough behind the scenes to start casting our net a bit farther and McKenna has said publicly a few times now that it's something the club needs to get on with, but might explain our reluctance to get our feet wet. |
I think that is part of it and it's understandable not to try to delve into a market which you're not familiar in. We saw what happens when a club does that in the summer of 2001. I suspect Kieran would see it as a frustration, limiting his scope when it comes to recruitment. Think Town are still playing catch-up on that front, so to speak. | | | |
| Leeds and Sunderland straight into the European markets on 14:23 - Jun 28 with 750 views | OldFart71 |
Unfortunately the Marcus Evans era put all parts of the football club well behind the curve of teams with any ambition. Football for all clubs has changed significantly, players wages and agents have in many respects ruined the game due to wanting much more than the real value of their so called stars. Clubs are not only beholden to sports channels but are restricted by the rules. In some ways rightly so, although these only seem to apply to small clubs.
Getting in the likes of Murhen and Thijssen for £350,000 and selling Talbot to Arsenal for £450,000 have sadly gone. The days of trading players very rarely happen either. Whereas Sir Bobby often pulled off great deals by trading his lesser lights for better players.
Town need to improve both on scouting and players coming through the ranks.
The problem for young players now is that clubs tend to buy ready made because of the need to be ready rather than playing their way in. | | | |
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