| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress 07:56 - Jul 5 with 1999 views | NthQldITFC |
Not sure whether to post this or not, but here goes.
It strikes me that this deadly flash flood in Texas has occurred in the state which is at the centre of the oil industry in the country which is pushing fossil fuel use again like no other, and which has the biggest per capita carbon emissions in the world. A country which has been at the forefront of the celebration of excess in consumption and instrumental in pushing the fatal, fantastical dream of ever-lasting growth and the idiotic assumption of safe, infinite absorption of pollution by a dying ecosphere.
Is it climate change? Well, as honest and open scientists, statisticians or interested amateurs, we can't absolutely attribute this event specifically to climate change etc...... but OF COURSE IT FKING IS!, and - unless we live behind a shield of selfish, self-delusion or are totally lacking in the ability to understand the basic message of increasing levels of heat energy trapped in our planet, causing unpredictable and catastrophic events of hot/cold, wet/dry, static/kinetic nature all around the world - we all bloody well know it.
Yes, it's unfair to blame it all on the US, and yes it's probably offensive to mention it now, but when, if ever, will we accept what we have done, what we are doing and take responsibility, as individuals, as corporations, as states and turn away from unchecked consumerism? We could live happy, healthy, modest lives and give our kids the chance of something similar if we'd all get our heads out of our arses and stop acting like cancerous cells. |  |
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 09:08 - Jul 5 with 1520 views | Pendejo |
Saw on the news the Guadalupe river rose 26ft in 45 mins, imagine the Orwell rising 26ft let alone in 45 mins |  |
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 09:42 - Jul 5 with 1484 views | Swansea_Blue |
It’s an awful event. I can’t imagine how those girls and parents are coping.
It’s probably worth pointing out that events like this have and could happen without climate change, but it’s well-accepted now that they will become more frequent as the climate warms further. I wouldn’t say your post is offensive as it’s a discussion that needs to be had in the round as it were; around the bigger picture of risks and how we’re going to manage and fund responses
Obviously many people will want to focus on the unfolding tragedy or now and that’s fine and rightfully respectful. We will need to eventually get around to making meaningful progress on how we’re going to deal with the greater likelihood of extreme weather events in the future. |  |
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 09:54 - Jul 5 with 1463 views | NthQldITFC |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 09:42 - Jul 5 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s an awful event. I can’t imagine how those girls and parents are coping.
It’s probably worth pointing out that events like this have and could happen without climate change, but it’s well-accepted now that they will become more frequent as the climate warms further. I wouldn’t say your post is offensive as it’s a discussion that needs to be had in the round as it were; around the bigger picture of risks and how we’re going to manage and fund responses
Obviously many people will want to focus on the unfolding tragedy or now and that’s fine and rightfully respectful. We will need to eventually get around to making meaningful progress on how we’re going to deal with the greater likelihood of extreme weather events in the future. |
If the question wailed is always:
"But how could this happen to us!?"
as opposed to
"We know this is going to happen more and more."
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 22:39 - Jul 5 with 1358 views | Ryorry |
Absolutely horrifying tragedy, reminds me of the Aberfan disaster in 1966 in terms of so many instant deaths (or missing) of one community’s children.
There’s a need for every country in the world to come together and unite on a plan to save the planet, but sadly, that’s not likely to happen anytime soon.
R.I.P. and condolences to those affected in Texas. |  |
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:00 - Jul 5 with 1329 views | J2BLUE |
I find myself dreaming of a different life. Not one where I fly around the world spending fortunes and consuming endless resources but one where I live a much simpler existence. I love looking at tiny homes on Youtube and imagining new communities of those which are easily affordable, can be fitted to harness rain water and solar power etc. Cheaper living would mean less need to work which could mean cutting down to a couple of days a week. More time with family and friends having bbqs, reading books in the garden, walking along the beach and playing golf, football and badminton.
I often wonder what the point is of climbing the career ladder, earning more money and then the classic "your expenses will rise to meet your income". Why? Why not opt out and prioritise being free? Why continue in the rat race just to fund upgrades to more space which isn't needed and more expensive rubbish?
I have noticed politicians now saying "those who can work, should work". Well yes, the very small number taking advantage of the system but people who can support themselves? F##k politicians and their productivity.
On a side note, videos on van life and people who retire abroad with expenses of $500 a month are my escape. I have no desire, and thankfully no need, to live in a van but I just like seeing that there are ways to opt out of this consumption based game.
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:02 - Jul 5 with 1313 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Feels distasteful a few hours into a tragedy to use it as a rant about Texas, oil and consumerism tbh.
There has been flooding events in the 80s and 90s in this region as well, it’s quite a unique geographical area with all kind of atmospheric conditions prevalent over the Gulf, that can cause extreme events.
This isn’t to say climate change is or isn’t directly involved in this one but doesn’t exactly sound like you’re a meteorological expert on Southern US states and weather conditions either. |  | | |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:04 - Jul 5 with 1301 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:00 - Jul 5 by J2BLUE |
I find myself dreaming of a different life. Not one where I fly around the world spending fortunes and consuming endless resources but one where I live a much simpler existence. I love looking at tiny homes on Youtube and imagining new communities of those which are easily affordable, can be fitted to harness rain water and solar power etc. Cheaper living would mean less need to work which could mean cutting down to a couple of days a week. More time with family and friends having bbqs, reading books in the garden, walking along the beach and playing golf, football and badminton.
I often wonder what the point is of climbing the career ladder, earning more money and then the classic "your expenses will rise to meet your income". Why? Why not opt out and prioritise being free? Why continue in the rat race just to fund upgrades to more space which isn't needed and more expensive rubbish?
I have noticed politicians now saying "those who can work, should work". Well yes, the very small number taking advantage of the system but people who can support themselves? F##k politicians and their productivity.
On a side note, videos on van life and people who retire abroad with expenses of $500 a month are my escape. I have no desire, and thankfully no need, to live in a van but I just like seeing that there are ways to opt out of this consumption based game.
Anyone else feel like this? |
Welcome to the 6th form.
Also...
Much of the statements from Abbott, Noem, Cornyn and Roy focused on praising their own efforts, thanking Trump and the White House and encouraging people to pray.
“Prayer matters,” Abbott said. Prayers “could have been the reason why water stopped rising”. |  |
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:04 - Jul 5 with 1303 views | Ryorry |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:00 - Jul 5 by J2BLUE |
I find myself dreaming of a different life. Not one where I fly around the world spending fortunes and consuming endless resources but one where I live a much simpler existence. I love looking at tiny homes on Youtube and imagining new communities of those which are easily affordable, can be fitted to harness rain water and solar power etc. Cheaper living would mean less need to work which could mean cutting down to a couple of days a week. More time with family and friends having bbqs, reading books in the garden, walking along the beach and playing golf, football and badminton.
I often wonder what the point is of climbing the career ladder, earning more money and then the classic "your expenses will rise to meet your income". Why? Why not opt out and prioritise being free? Why continue in the rat race just to fund upgrades to more space which isn't needed and more expensive rubbish?
I have noticed politicians now saying "those who can work, should work". Well yes, the very small number taking advantage of the system but people who can support themselves? F##k politicians and their productivity.
On a side note, videos on van life and people who retire abroad with expenses of $500 a month are my escape. I have no desire, and thankfully no need, to live in a van but I just like seeing that there are ways to opt out of this consumption based game.
Anyone else feel like this? |
Yep.
Bonus would be less cleaning needed of a hut in the woods :) | |
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:12 - Jul 5 with 1258 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:02 - Jul 5 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Feels distasteful a few hours into a tragedy to use it as a rant about Texas, oil and consumerism tbh.
There has been flooding events in the 80s and 90s in this region as well, it’s quite a unique geographical area with all kind of atmospheric conditions prevalent over the Gulf, that can cause extreme events.
This isn’t to say climate change is or isn’t directly involved in this one but doesn’t exactly sound like you’re a meteorological expert on Southern US states and weather conditions either. |
Yeah but no but. | |
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:23 - Jul 5 with 1224 views | WeWereZombies |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:00 - Jul 5 by J2BLUE |
I find myself dreaming of a different life. Not one where I fly around the world spending fortunes and consuming endless resources but one where I live a much simpler existence. I love looking at tiny homes on Youtube and imagining new communities of those which are easily affordable, can be fitted to harness rain water and solar power etc. Cheaper living would mean less need to work which could mean cutting down to a couple of days a week. More time with family and friends having bbqs, reading books in the garden, walking along the beach and playing golf, football and badminton.
I often wonder what the point is of climbing the career ladder, earning more money and then the classic "your expenses will rise to meet your income". Why? Why not opt out and prioritise being free? Why continue in the rat race just to fund upgrades to more space which isn't needed and more expensive rubbish?
I have noticed politicians now saying "those who can work, should work". Well yes, the very small number taking advantage of the system but people who can support themselves? F##k politicians and their productivity.
On a side note, videos on van life and people who retire abroad with expenses of $500 a month are my escape. I have no desire, and thankfully no need, to live in a van but I just like seeing that there are ways to opt out of this consumption based game.
Anyone else feel like this? |
Given that going to work consumes resources there is a hefty argument against working as a way to improve our lives. If you can get away with not working and that doesn't release you to spaff away energy for no reason then you have a duty to the survival of the human race to refrain from working. Unless you are medical staff engaged in saving lives, but everyone else just gets in the way of us improving ourselves.
Also, I don't think you need to go abroad to live on five hundred quid a month (although five hundred US dollars would be hard, that's three hundred and sixty five quid at the current exchange rate of 1.37) - but you would have to lower your ambitions a great deal, no live league football for a start. And have access to free firewood and a private water supply. Probably have to live in a caravan. And cycle everywhere. Clothes from charity shops, never pass up the marked down food with currant sell by date. Rob banks... |  |
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:37 - Jul 5 with 1186 views | J2BLUE |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:23 - Jul 5 by WeWereZombies |
Given that going to work consumes resources there is a hefty argument against working as a way to improve our lives. If you can get away with not working and that doesn't release you to spaff away energy for no reason then you have a duty to the survival of the human race to refrain from working. Unless you are medical staff engaged in saving lives, but everyone else just gets in the way of us improving ourselves.
Also, I don't think you need to go abroad to live on five hundred quid a month (although five hundred US dollars would be hard, that's three hundred and sixty five quid at the current exchange rate of 1.37) - but you would have to lower your ambitions a great deal, no live league football for a start. And have access to free firewood and a private water supply. Probably have to live in a caravan. And cycle everywhere. Clothes from charity shops, never pass up the marked down food with currant sell by date. Rob banks... |
Yea it would be pretty bleak in the UK. Seems viable in places like Vietnam. I just watch it for the entertainment value.
I have calculated the number I would need each month for a comfortable life if my property was paid off. It's actually a lot lower than I expected but I realise the paid off property bit is not achievable for many people. | |
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:45 - Jul 5 with 1176 views | Ryorry |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:37 - Jul 5 by J2BLUE |
Yea it would be pretty bleak in the UK. Seems viable in places like Vietnam. I just watch it for the entertainment value.
I have calculated the number I would need each month for a comfortable life if my property was paid off. It's actually a lot lower than I expected but I realise the paid off property bit is not achievable for many people. |
Being able to live that kind of life would also depend on those living it remaining reasonably fit and healthy. | |
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:57 - Jul 5 with 1140 views | Bigalhunter |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:02 - Jul 5 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Feels distasteful a few hours into a tragedy to use it as a rant about Texas, oil and consumerism tbh.
There has been flooding events in the 80s and 90s in this region as well, it’s quite a unique geographical area with all kind of atmospheric conditions prevalent over the Gulf, that can cause extreme events.
This isn’t to say climate change is or isn’t directly involved in this one but doesn’t exactly sound like you’re a meteorological expert on Southern US states and weather conditions either. |
So, after a suitably respectful period of introspection, prayer, a bit of government compensation,complimentary MAGA hats and some hastily cobbled together and wholly irrefutable proof that these things have always happened, it’s back to….
Drill, baby, Drill!
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 00:43 - Jul 6 with 1074 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:57 - Jul 5 by Bigalhunter |
So, after a suitably respectful period of introspection, prayer, a bit of government compensation,complimentary MAGA hats and some hastily cobbled together and wholly irrefutable proof that these things have always happened, it’s back to….
Drill, baby, Drill!
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No it’s not, people have unfortunately been losing their property and lives in the Gulf region for many decades due to various storm surges, flash flooding and hurricanes. There are some mass loss of life events dating back to the 1950s (well actually before that).
More recently, a now late family member of mine lost their house during Katrina which was obviously brutal.
Current policy can absolutely be a discussion but the notion of “of course it facking is” doesn’t always necessarily ring true in that part of the world. [Post edited 6 Jul 0:44]
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 01:06 - Jul 6 with 1037 views | Bigalhunter |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 00:43 - Jul 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
No it’s not, people have unfortunately been losing their property and lives in the Gulf region for many decades due to various storm surges, flash flooding and hurricanes. There are some mass loss of life events dating back to the 1950s (well actually before that).
More recently, a now late family member of mine lost their house during Katrina which was obviously brutal.
Current policy can absolutely be a discussion but the notion of “of course it facking is” doesn’t always necessarily ring true in that part of the world. [Post edited 6 Jul 0:44]
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Facking or fracking?
Can’t tell whether you’re swerving the swear filter, impersonating Dick Van Dyke or just conveniently denying the uncomfortable bits of climate change that apply to Trumpland. [Post edited 6 Jul 1:26]
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 07:45 - Jul 6 with 810 views | bluelagos |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:00 - Jul 5 by J2BLUE |
I find myself dreaming of a different life. Not one where I fly around the world spending fortunes and consuming endless resources but one where I live a much simpler existence. I love looking at tiny homes on Youtube and imagining new communities of those which are easily affordable, can be fitted to harness rain water and solar power etc. Cheaper living would mean less need to work which could mean cutting down to a couple of days a week. More time with family and friends having bbqs, reading books in the garden, walking along the beach and playing golf, football and badminton.
I often wonder what the point is of climbing the career ladder, earning more money and then the classic "your expenses will rise to meet your income". Why? Why not opt out and prioritise being free? Why continue in the rat race just to fund upgrades to more space which isn't needed and more expensive rubbish?
I have noticed politicians now saying "those who can work, should work". Well yes, the very small number taking advantage of the system but people who can support themselves? F##k politicians and their productivity.
On a side note, videos on van life and people who retire abroad with expenses of $500 a month are my escape. I have no desire, and thankfully no need, to live in a van but I just like seeing that there are ways to opt out of this consumption based game.
Anyone else feel like this? |
Yep
In 2006 opted out of the career, took a 85% pay cut and went to work for a charity in Liberia for a year.
What prompted it was my boss telling me he thought "my heart wasn't in it" one Friday afternoon.
Sunday evening when packing for work, I wrote out a list of likes/don't likes about my job/employer/career. I wrote down 2 likes (The travel and free beer) and 36 don't likes. Gave him my resignation the next morning.
He did me a massive favour and I don't regret it for a second even though financially I'd be way better off if I was still on the career ladder. But what's the point of money/wealth if you don't have the time to enjoy it?
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 08:00 - Jul 6 with 800 views | WeWereZombies |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 00:43 - Jul 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
No it’s not, people have unfortunately been losing their property and lives in the Gulf region for many decades due to various storm surges, flash flooding and hurricanes. There are some mass loss of life events dating back to the 1950s (well actually before that).
More recently, a now late family member of mine lost their house during Katrina which was obviously brutal.
Current policy can absolutely be a discussion but the notion of “of course it facking is” doesn’t always necessarily ring true in that part of the world. [Post edited 6 Jul 0:44]
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I wonder if one of the reasons why native american tribes in West Texas (I guess Kerr County can be seen as that) didn't settle down in one place was the unpredictability of the climate ? AI does not specifically give me that but here is what it says:
No, not all Native Americans in Texas were nomadic. While some tribes, like the Comanche, Apache, and Karankawa, were nomadic or semi-nomadic, many others, particularly in East Texas, were primarily agricultural and lived in settled villages.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Nomadic/Semi-Nomadic Tribes:
Comanche: Known for their nomadic lifestyle, relying heavily on bison hunting and horse culture.
Apache: Also nomadic, with a strong reliance on bison and a mobile lifestyle.
Karankawa: Semi-nomadic, moving seasonally between the coast and inland areas, hunting, fishing, and gathering.
Lipan Apache: A subgroup of the Apache who also followed a nomadic lifestyle, dwelling in tepees and following bison herds.
Tonkawa: Another group that was nomadic, known for hunting and gathering practices.
Sedentary/Agricultural Tribes:
Caddo: Primarily farmers, living in settled villages and cultivating crops.
Atakapa: Semi-nomadic, but also known to have lived in settled villages.
Akokisa: Similar to the Atakapa, with a semi-nomadic lifestyle that included some periods of settlement.
Factors Influencing Nomadic Lifestyle:
Bison Hunting:
Tribes like the Comanche and Apache depended heavily on bison for food, clothing, and shelter, which necessitated a nomadic lifestyle to follow the herds.
Climate and Resources:
The availability of food and water sources influenced the movements of nomadic tribes.
Cultural Practices:
Some tribes, like the Comanche, developed a horse culture that facilitated their nomadic lifestyle.
In conclusion, while some Texas Native American tribes were nomadic, others were primarily agricultural and lived in settled villages. The lifestyle of each tribe was influenced by a variety of factors, including their reliance on specific resources and their cultural practices [Post edited 6 Jul 8:03]
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 08:10 - Jul 6 with 758 views | NthQldITFC |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 23:02 - Jul 5 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Feels distasteful a few hours into a tragedy to use it as a rant about Texas, oil and consumerism tbh.
There has been flooding events in the 80s and 90s in this region as well, it’s quite a unique geographical area with all kind of atmospheric conditions prevalent over the Gulf, that can cause extreme events.
This isn’t to say climate change is or isn’t directly involved in this one but doesn’t exactly sound like you’re a meteorological expert on Southern US states and weather conditions either. |
All fair points.
But we keep making excuses. | |
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 08:42 - Jul 6 with 702 views | glasso |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 00:43 - Jul 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
No it’s not, people have unfortunately been losing their property and lives in the Gulf region for many decades due to various storm surges, flash flooding and hurricanes. There are some mass loss of life events dating back to the 1950s (well actually before that).
More recently, a now late family member of mine lost their house during Katrina which was obviously brutal.
Current policy can absolutely be a discussion but the notion of “of course it facking is” doesn’t always necessarily ring true in that part of the world. [Post edited 6 Jul 0:44]
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We have such a poor grasp on the actual timeline of this planet.
In the grand scheme of things, the 1950s were yesterday. They were after the industrial revolution, after we started destroying our planet and after we decided that human comfort and 'stuff' is more important than nature.
Just like the hot weather a week or so ago when people were saying "but it was hot for a bit in the 70s so it's definitely not climate change!"
There is undeniable proof - statistics, research, graphs - that show climate change happening. We know what it causes (including more drastic weather and more frequent instances of freak weather occurrences like this) and yet every time it happens we bury our heads in the sand. Scientists said this would happen and then when it does, we argue with semantics ("hey, you said the sea would rise by 1cm and I can't see it so everything you predicted is nonsense!")
Just look at recent events: huge storms, deadly flash floods, devastating forest fires that destroy parts of cities. You can't take these things in isolation and say 'but we had fires before!'
You have to step back and look at the big picture and admit we didn't have *all of this* before [Post edited 6 Jul 8:44]
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 10:10 - Jul 6 with 611 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 08:10 - Jul 6 by NthQldITFC |
All fair points.
But we keep making excuses. |
Apart from the fact that climate change is happening and is therefore directly involved. | |
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 11:09 - Jul 6 with 561 views | StokieBlue |
Really sad news continuing to be reported of more deaths. A really tragic event.
Really no need for MTG to come out blaming weather control nonsense rather than the actual root causes but to be expected from her.
As an aside, also some commentary that DOGE cuts are affecting weather forecasting services. Perhaps not specifically in this case but certainly seeing hurricane forecasting.
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 11:39 - Jul 6 with 524 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 00:43 - Jul 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
No it’s not, people have unfortunately been losing their property and lives in the Gulf region for many decades due to various storm surges, flash flooding and hurricanes. There are some mass loss of life events dating back to the 1950s (well actually before that).
More recently, a now late family member of mine lost their house during Katrina which was obviously brutal.
Current policy can absolutely be a discussion but the notion of “of course it facking is” doesn’t always necessarily ring true in that part of the world. [Post edited 6 Jul 0:44]
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You’re missing the point here imo. Yes, there have been storms and floods in the past. That’s not in question. The point of the post was that climate change is increasing the frequency and intensity of such events, yet people are ignoring it and/or making excuse to not address CC.
https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2016-09/documents/climate-change-tx.pdf | |
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 11:43 - Jul 6 with 517 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 11:09 - Jul 6 by StokieBlue |
Really sad news continuing to be reported of more deaths. A really tragic event.
Really no need for MTG to come out blaming weather control nonsense rather than the actual root causes but to be expected from her.
As an aside, also some commentary that DOGE cuts are affecting weather forecasting services. Perhaps not specifically in this case but certainly seeing hurricane forecasting.
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It’s horrific. And they’re reporting that a couple of dozen girls are still missing. I agree with Ryorry’s observation that this feels a bit like Aberfan in terms of scale, speed, shock, etc. Just horrific. Camps are so popular too - there’ll now be millions of parents more nervous about their own kids attending them. | |
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| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 11:56 - Jul 6 with 489 views | NthQldITFC |
| Addressing probability and responsibility in times of stress on 10:10 - Jul 6 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Apart from the fact that climate change is happening and is therefore directly involved. |
Yes, I'm caught between the burden of proof ethos for specific events and the incontrovertible fact that, as you say, climate change IS directly involved in every event. Give 'em an inch and they take a mile. | |
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