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can't say i'm 100% either way on this, but it feels like a positive
Will help to get young people more engaged in politics if they are able to actually have a voice. Also I suppose it's only fair that if you are paying NI or income tax at the age of 16 then you have a say on how that money is being spent
Any strong feelings either way?
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Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:34 - Jul 17 with 570 views
Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:31 - Jul 17 by meekreech
The reason for doing this is to ensure they win a second term. With the current state of education in this country and the way teachers have been trained to teach the children in leftist thoughts and practices it makes any chance of success for any other party obtaining a mandate to form a government an impossibility. This country is in the hands of a government that is planning for a new type of democracy where anyone who is not tutored in the current system will not be allowed to win .
Wow. They've done all that in just 12months or so. You can't even be mad, that's impressive!
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Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:39 - Jul 17 with 516 views
Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:32 - Jul 17 by Herbivore
I can point to lots of evidence that they have been terrible for the country if you like? Economic damage, there's lots of evidence of that. Damage in trust in politicians, there's lots of evidence of that too. NHS waiting lists going through the roof, more evidence of that as well. And even on the current hot topic de jeur, people entering the country by small boat crossing also through the roof. How much evidence is needed for something to be a fact rather than an opinion, in your opinion?
Maybe some people don't want to be in the EU regardless. You're censoring that opinion. It's dangerous in a democracy.
Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:24 - Jul 17 by Rimsy
There is only one reason Labour would bring this in. They think more young people will vote for them, all other considerations are irrelevant.
Obviously - why do you think that the previous gvmt has not made the change.
Doesn't make it right or wrong, it's just change - the reason for timing is that a labour gvmt has the large enough majority to get it through the commons at least.
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Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:47 - Jul 17 with 459 views
Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:42 - Jul 17 by Bluecoin
Mostly to avoid paying tax too! Lovely stuff.
Classic trolling, therefore I doubt you will do anything close to what you like to talk about, so if saying these things behind a screen of anonymity makes you feel better about yourself, good for you.
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Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 13:00 - Jul 17 with 382 views
Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:44 - Jul 17 by Trequartista
Maybe some people don't want to be in the EU regardless. You're censoring that opinion. It's dangerous in a democracy.
That's a leap, I'm not censoring their opinion at all. People are entitled to have the opinion that they don't want to be in the EU but that it's been terrible for the country is pretty well evidenced. They might not care about that, but you can't say it's just an opinion when on the majority of metrics the country is measurably worse off.
Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 13:00 - Jul 17 by Herbivore
That's a leap, I'm not censoring their opinion at all. People are entitled to have the opinion that they don't want to be in the EU but that it's been terrible for the country is pretty well evidenced. They might not care about that, but you can't say it's just an opinion when on the majority of metrics the country is measurably worse off.
As soon as you assert that Brexit was a mistake as fact, you're effectively censoring the opinion that it was not a mistake because we shouldn't be in the EU regardless.
All your evidence is fact (I assume), it is the conclusion that is opinion. You must be able to see this.
What if Trump enforces his 30% tariffs on the EU. That's surely a benefit and a fact. Small beer of course, but everything so far has only been the short-term consequences.
Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:01 - Jul 17 by bsw72
"on the other hand you're letting in proportionally more people who don't really have a clue what they are voting for"
I remember the views of my then 15, 16 and 17 year old kids when the Brexit vote was occuring - they were smart enough to see through the bias and the lies - I would have trusted them to vote more than some of my older relatives.
"Wisdom can grow with age, but it doesn't do so automatically; rather, it grows for those who seek it and invest in nurturing it."
And unfortunately now your kids can no longer live and work in the EU like myself because of older voters who couldn't see through the lies!
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Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 13:17 - Jul 17 with 278 views
Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 13:12 - Jul 17 by Trequartista
As soon as you assert that Brexit was a mistake as fact, you're effectively censoring the opinion that it was not a mistake because we shouldn't be in the EU regardless.
All your evidence is fact (I assume), it is the conclusion that is opinion. You must be able to see this.
What if Trump enforces his 30% tariffs on the EU. That's surely a benefit and a fact. Small beer of course, but everything so far has only been the short-term consequences.
I said it had been terrible for the country, I didn't say it had been a mistake. I have provided you with evidence it has been terrible for the country, I could have provided more evidence if you wished. You have provided one small example of a possible Brexit benefit, but on the balance of evidence at present it would be hard to conclude that Brexit has been good for the country.
I repeat, you are making a massive leap to say that pointing out facts is censoring opinion. People can express whatever opinion they want and others can challenge it if they disagree. If anything by using such outlandish language it is you who is trying to shut down debate.
Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 13:18 - Jul 17 by Herbivore
I said it had been terrible for the country, I didn't say it had been a mistake. I have provided you with evidence it has been terrible for the country, I could have provided more evidence if you wished. You have provided one small example of a possible Brexit benefit, but on the balance of evidence at present it would be hard to conclude that Brexit has been good for the country.
I repeat, you are making a massive leap to say that pointing out facts is censoring opinion. People can express whatever opinion they want and others can challenge it if they disagree. If anything by using such outlandish language it is you who is trying to shut down debate.
Hmmm you don't appear to have engaged with my last point and are seeking to change the argument. You're now presenting it as argument between us of whether Brexit was good or not. I didn't vote for Brexit and wouldn't do in a future vote. I didn't give the Trump example as Brexit was good on balance, I gave it to show the discussion is ongoing, not complete. I even put "small beer" to indicate this wasn't the case but never mind.
I think it was clear i was not saying pointing out facts is censoring opinion. I was saying that concluding Brexit was a mistake was. You're saying that's not what you meant so that's fine.
Anyway where did we start on this as we've hit the usual brick wall. "Not sure the older generations are really any more clued up to be honest. We ended up with Brexit and a stonking majority for the charlatan Boris Johnson, mostly at the hands of older voters. "
So now you are saying it is your opinion and not a fact that Brexit was a mistake, then surely its best not to judge the change to allow 16-year-old voters based on if they are likely to agree or disagree with your political opinion, but rather on if proportionally enough of them are experienced enough to know what they are voting for, because in the future, your political opinion on another matter may not align with younger voters the same as it does now.
Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:31 - Jul 17 by meekreech
The reason for doing this is to ensure they win a second term. With the current state of education in this country and the way teachers have been trained to teach the children in leftist thoughts and practices it makes any chance of success for any other party obtaining a mandate to form a government an impossibility. This country is in the hands of a government that is planning for a new type of democracy where anyone who is not tutored in the current system will not be allowed to win .
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