| My thoughts on omari leaving… 13:59 - Jul 18 with 2546 views | danchances22 |
Brentford and United agreed 76m deal for mbuemo so looking likely we will get 40m for omari. Which is nuts really I know I said we aren’t really making much in a comment the other day as we signed him for 22m, and Chelsea have a sell on clause etc but after a rethink these are now my thoughts….. He struggled in the premier league albeit he was in a poor side and Had his moments and of course still young so we can look at it in 2 ways. 1, he won’t cut it in the premier league ever and we will be laughing in a few years time at the 40m price tag (Chelsea and Arsenal both had him in their academy’s, was released by Arsenal and Chelsea sold him to us) or 2, we sell him for 40m now and then in a few years time he’s one of the best players in the premier league and Brentford sell him for a ridiculous fee, which I imagine we will have some kind of sell of clause in place. Like the championship season was so odd, First half the season he was starting games and all our fans were like why is he starting for his more of an impact player etc, so he was dropped. Then, second half Of the championship season he was a completely different player and was outstanding and one of the best players I’ve seen play for us at that level. My honest assessment is that he’s been keen on playing at the highest level ever since we got relegated which you can’t blame him, he’s talented of course, but we are stacked in that area so we shouldn’t be worried to much. Makes me think, had he of not performed so well for the u21s would any premier league clubs even be interested in him? Because if I was a scout watching his premier league performances last season, I surely wouldn’t be pursuing him any further.
I mean I’m not going to sit there and criticise the player as he was part of our promotion team, and I wish him all the best. But not all is doom and gloom…..40m gets us 2/3 really good players. good luck omari!
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| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:04 - Jul 18 with 1997 views | SitfcB |
A massive shame to lose him, gutted.
Would’ve done him no harm in staying here though and Brentford is a strange choice. Relegation candidates this season IMO. Is it just greed??
And all this ‘£40 million gets us 2/3 players’ - still need to convince them to come here, didn’t need to sell to buy either. |  |
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| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:04 - Jul 18 with 1979 views | ArnieM |
We won't realise £40m though will we. Chelsea will take their cut, which I suspect is substantial. Then Brentford won't be paying that £40m in full, up front, and itll be a drip feed of money over several years. Any player we bring in to replace him will no doubt cost us top whack. |  |
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| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:07 - Jul 18 with 1936 views | Westcountryblue |
I'd imagine we'd eventually get around 9-12m from the deal. | | | |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:11 - Jul 18 with 1883 views | Tonytown |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:04 - Jul 18 by ArnieM |
We won't realise £40m though will we. Chelsea will take their cut, which I suspect is substantial. Then Brentford won't be paying that £40m in full, up front, and itll be a drip feed of money over several years. Any player we bring in to replace him will no doubt cost us top whack. |
Always positive eh | | | |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:13 - Jul 18 with 1874 views | ArnieM |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:04 - Jul 18 by SitfcB |
A massive shame to lose him, gutted.
Would’ve done him no harm in staying here though and Brentford is a strange choice. Relegation candidates this season IMO. Is it just greed??
And all this ‘£40 million gets us 2/3 players’ - still need to convince them to come here, didn’t need to sell to buy either. |
Lol, I Can't believe you haven't been given a down arrow from the self appointed forum police for that post.....which i agree 100% with you BTW... | |
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| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:13 - Jul 18 with 1863 views | SheffordBlue |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:04 - Jul 18 by ArnieM |
We won't realise £40m though will we. Chelsea will take their cut, which I suspect is substantial. Then Brentford won't be paying that £40m in full, up front, and itll be a drip feed of money over several years. Any player we bring in to replace him will no doubt cost us top whack. |
From a PSR perspective we'll be able to book the entire fee upfront though. The instalments only really becomes a problem for cashflow if our investors don't want to fill the gap. | |
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| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:13 - Jul 18 with 1858 views | ArnieM |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:11 - Jul 18 by Tonytown |
Always positive eh |
Just stating facts ... not my fault you cant accept it.
Ps any comments re SitfcB post? Thought not. [Post edited 18 Jul 14:15]
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| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:16 - Jul 18 with 1803 views | SheffordBlue |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:04 - Jul 18 by SitfcB |
A massive shame to lose him, gutted.
Would’ve done him no harm in staying here though and Brentford is a strange choice. Relegation candidates this season IMO. Is it just greed??
And all this ‘£40 million gets us 2/3 players’ - still need to convince them to come here, didn’t need to sell to buy either. |
Brentford probably better for us though - if he does well there they'll sell him on in a year or two whereas if he went further up the food chain that might not happen.
Agree we have to persuade players to come here but that transfer fee gives us more PSR headroom to pay the wages that might make the difference. | |
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| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:19 - Jul 18 with 1747 views | ArnieM |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:07 - Jul 18 by Westcountryblue |
I'd imagine we'd eventually get around 9-12m from the deal. |
Guess it's all about viewing players as assets/ commodities to be traded these days. It doesn't sit easy with i will admit, and of course to have an opinion or view regarding this is absolutely forbidden on here.
I need to become more detached from our players going forward, because all of thrm will leave it better offers come along. Contracts nean absolutely sod all, and for me the game as I knew it has long gone. Its only about money now. Sad really. | |
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| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:21 - Jul 18 with 1726 views | Steve_M |
I think fans overdo the idea that Omari struggled last season, he was consistently one of our two biggest threats in his ability to carry the ball and beat defenders. Sometimes his decision making let him down but that was as a player in his second season of senior football dealing with a big increase in the quality of the opposition.
Our biggest problem last year was that our two most effective players were two of our youngest. And that's why we've (seemingly) lost both of them.
It's good money coming in, and that is very much part of the player trading model we need if we want to prosper, but I would still much rather have Omari playing for us next season. |  |
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| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:22 - Jul 18 with 1699 views | ScottCandage |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:07 - Jul 18 by Westcountryblue |
I'd imagine we'd eventually get around 9-12m from the deal. |
40-22.5 (cost of acquiring Omari) = 17.5 profit/4 = 4.375 to Chelsea (25% of profit was reported)
Thus, 40-4.375 = 35.625 million
Remember, this isn't the ME era, we don't have to "repay" anyone for acquisition costs anymore. So we will get 35.625 million in, to allocate as the board and the team see fit. [Post edited 18 Jul 14:26]
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| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:28 - Jul 18 with 1593 views | gainsboroughblue |
It's the Omari 2025 to 1999's Kieron Dyer. |  |
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| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:29 - Jul 18 with 1589 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:22 - Jul 18 by ScottCandage |
40-22.5 (cost of acquiring Omari) = 17.5 profit/4 = 4.375 to Chelsea (25% of profit was reported)
Thus, 40-4.375 = 35.625 million
Remember, this isn't the ME era, we don't have to "repay" anyone for acquisition costs anymore. So we will get 35.625 million in, to allocate as the board and the team see fit. [Post edited 18 Jul 14:26]
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Exactly - now we just need to find another young Hutch and turn them into the next 40m sale in two years time - unless of course we stay up this time!
I wonder if other clubs' fans are always looking at what they paid for the player rather than the cash in the door | | | |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:29 - Jul 18 with 1567 views | Kievthegreat |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:04 - Jul 18 by ArnieM |
We won't realise £40m though will we. Chelsea will take their cut, which I suspect is substantial. Then Brentford won't be paying that £40m in full, up front, and itll be a drip feed of money over several years. Any player we bring in to replace him will no doubt cost us top whack. |
We'll still get over £30m after Chelsea get their cut and yield north of £10m in profit with potentially a sell on clause for future profit down the line.
Also, nearly every transfer is now paid over time. It's rare to pay for any transfer fully upfront so it's really not something to get your knickers in a twist about. It's not necessarily an issue at all depending on circumstances and liquidity. Not getting everything upfront only affects cashflow and not our FFP/PSR limits, so we can still invest it in new players.
As for replacements, we'll be doing the same thing Brentford are, but one step down the line. They sell for £65-70m and buy a replacement for £35-40m. We'll then buy a replacement for £15-20m. It's just how player trading works. |  | | |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:31 - Jul 18 with 1530 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:04 - Jul 18 by ArnieM |
We won't realise £40m though will we. Chelsea will take their cut, which I suspect is substantial. Then Brentford won't be paying that £40m in full, up front, and itll be a drip feed of money over several years. Any player we bring in to replace him will no doubt cost us top whack. |
Well it depends how we look at it all.
1st numbers. (Maths never my strong point so happy to be corrected)
His cost to us so far is £22.5 mill inc triggered add ons.
If we get £40 million less £22.5 thats a profit 17.5 million. 25% of that goes to Chelsea which is £4.375 =£13.125 profit in 12 months.
The other point here though is apart from Chelseas cut we still get that money in our pocket
Thats £35 mil comming in and given we already rejected a bid spread over a long period its seems likey that a good chunk of that still come in up top, we might allow a spread to get the inclusion of a further sell on clause for ourselves or something but is apparent the club are clear that its stump up or F off.
Either way its cash in that can be spent. |  |
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| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:32 - Jul 18 with 1506 views | BloomBlue |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:04 - Jul 18 by SitfcB |
A massive shame to lose him, gutted.
Would’ve done him no harm in staying here though and Brentford is a strange choice. Relegation candidates this season IMO. Is it just greed??
And all this ‘£40 million gets us 2/3 players’ - still need to convince them to come here, didn’t need to sell to buy either. |
True we do need to convince players to come here. But even if we had survived relegation, it doesn't mean OH would stay, its still poss he would think Brentford is a better option.
I would prefer we force him to stay aka as Leeds did with Gnoto when he went on strike. But on the flip side if OH has made it clear he wants to move (I dont know if he has) then do we keep him?
I get the impression OH is on a career/job path and not really club aligned, which is why he moved around as a youth. I'm all for that as football is a job, and as with any job people move around. But I feel some fans think players are supporters and expect them to stay |  | | |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:32 - Jul 18 with 1497 views | Metal_Hacker |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:29 - Jul 18 by Kievthegreat |
We'll still get over £30m after Chelsea get their cut and yield north of £10m in profit with potentially a sell on clause for future profit down the line.
Also, nearly every transfer is now paid over time. It's rare to pay for any transfer fully upfront so it's really not something to get your knickers in a twist about. It's not necessarily an issue at all depending on circumstances and liquidity. Not getting everything upfront only affects cashflow and not our FFP/PSR limits, so we can still invest it in new players.
As for replacements, we'll be doing the same thing Brentford are, but one step down the line. They sell for £65-70m and buy a replacement for £35-40m. We'll then buy a replacement for £15-20m. It's just how player trading works. |
Nice thought but can’t actually imagine us going for anyone this season or that value £15m-£20m |  |
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| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:33 - Jul 18 with 1487 views | RadioOrwell |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:07 - Jul 18 by Westcountryblue |
I'd imagine we'd eventually get around 9-12m from the deal. |
Please show your workings. Use a calculator if needed. |  | | |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:35 - Jul 18 with 1428 views | SheffordBlue |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:32 - Jul 18 by Metal_Hacker |
Nice thought but can’t actually imagine us going for anyone this season or that value £15m-£20m |
I think where we might closer to that is on wages/signing on bonus to get someone of the right level in. The fee itself might be lower but the deal value could well be up there. | |
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| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:38 - Jul 18 with 1368 views | ScottCandage |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:29 - Jul 18 by Exiled2Surrey |
Exactly - now we just need to find another young Hutch and turn them into the next 40m sale in two years time - unless of course we stay up this time!
I wonder if other clubs' fans are always looking at what they paid for the player rather than the cash in the door |
It's a focus on overall profit on a deal rather than the money in/out analysis as above. And as Ipswich fans, we're sensitive to it, as profit was all that ME allowed us to work with. | | | |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:39 - Jul 18 with 1340 views | NedPlimpton |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:04 - Jul 18 by SitfcB |
A massive shame to lose him, gutted.
Would’ve done him no harm in staying here though and Brentford is a strange choice. Relegation candidates this season IMO. Is it just greed??
And all this ‘£40 million gets us 2/3 players’ - still need to convince them to come here, didn’t need to sell to buy either. |
I feel like this time last year, a lot of people were saying McKenna would be mad to leave us for Brighton. It's not much of an upgrade, they've sold their best players, they've hit their ceiling, one poor season and they've had it etc etc And that was when we were going up to be in the same league as them. Rather than jumping from the Championship to the Prem like Omari will be
There seems to be a lot of that about Brentford now because they've lost Frank and a couple of players. Let's not forget they finished 10th last season, 31(!) points above the relegation zone. They've had long spells without Mbeumo in the past due to injury and faired ok. They also lost Toney the season before for gambling and then to Saudi etc
It's obviously not just greed. It's also a higher level of football for at least one more season. Yes, it'll probably be more money, but if I move to a job that pays more does that make me greedy or just looking out for myself and my family. |  | | |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:40 - Jul 18 with 1318 views | Guthrum |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:21 - Jul 18 by Steve_M |
I think fans overdo the idea that Omari struggled last season, he was consistently one of our two biggest threats in his ability to carry the ball and beat defenders. Sometimes his decision making let him down but that was as a player in his second season of senior football dealing with a big increase in the quality of the opposition.
Our biggest problem last year was that our two most effective players were two of our youngest. And that's why we've (seemingly) lost both of them.
It's good money coming in, and that is very much part of the player trading model we need if we want to prosper, but I would still much rather have Omari playing for us next season. |
Moreover, the opposition were ganging up on him at every opportunity, two or three to one. He had little room or time to excel.
Which in itself speaks of the threat they saw in Hutchinson. |  |
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| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:44 - Jul 18 with 1264 views | Metal_Hacker |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:35 - Jul 18 by SheffordBlue |
I think where we might closer to that is on wages/signing on bonus to get someone of the right level in. The fee itself might be lower but the deal value could well be up there. |
Perhaps you’re right but there’s no chance I imagine a FEE in itself for a player this side of August of around £20m
We find ourselves in a really weird position with not being in the Prem and being able to attract “THAT” player but also being too high on a lot of player’s registers because of where we are and the squad we have whilst looking to bounce straight back
It’s some juggling act the club have to contend with I guess albeit I’d rather it be this way than for arguments sake Sheffield Weds !!
I’m intrigued as to what names will now surface as intended targets.
My immediate worry is the selling clubs now knowing how much we’ve potentially to shell out
Interesting times ahead [Post edited 18 Jul 14:45]
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| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:45 - Jul 18 with 1243 views | Clutch |
Makes sense, and we have loads of attacking talent. |  | | |
| My thoughts on omari leaving… on 14:45 - Jul 18 with 1230 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Hmm there were certain players that struggled, our CM struggled to cope, Davis struggled defensively and many others struggled in other areas but I’m not really sure Omari did. He was one of our few players that could actually take others on and scare defenses with his rare ability on the ball, win free kicks, put balls in the box.
There were games he could have done better or was a bit missing but obviously in a relegation team that would be expected. However, I remember some great performances.
Fulham at home
Man U at home
Spurs away
Chelsea at home
Villa away
Everton away
To name a few.
Last year he always looked a player that would be completely fine in a better PL team to me and that was only a handful you could say that about. With his position, age and ceiling his departure is no surprise at all. |  | | |
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