| No Hackney for Boro today… 13:03 - Jul 26 with 8833 views | itfc_jg |
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| No Hackney for Boro today… on 19:25 - Jul 26 with 2690 views | Metal_Hacker |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 19:08 - Jul 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Yeah. Appreciate you can't read to much into it. But found it different to his usual distant words
think that’s clear, it’s an area where we’ve lost four of the five midfielders from last year for different reasons,” he said.
“So, it’s an area we certainly want to add to and hopefully in the not too different future. But, of course, it always has to be the right player.” |
Yep you’re right there Frimmers , I too picked up on that and rightly or wrongly read something into what was said so here’s hoping |  |
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| No Hackney for Boro today… on 19:29 - Jul 26 with 2645 views | Smoresy |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 19:09 - Jul 26 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Finances dictate when it comes to Championship teams that have been treading water forever. You seem to be forgetting that, using transfers at the top of the PL and Brum/Wrexham are bad examples here. [Post edited 26 Jul 19:10]
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You seem to be forgetting our journey two years ago; I'm sure you didn't just jump on board from last season. Luton the season before, Sunderland the season after.. the idea that 21 teams are looking to tread water while heamorrrhaging cash is laughable really. The idea that instead 19 are, if you remove Brum and Wrexham, is laughable too.
There's a group of clubs, Middlesbrough included, who've been nearly men for some time and they won't be paying deference or waving the white flag to us lot. Obviously every player has a price at the same time, and it's why rivals selling to rivals isn't uncommon. Of course they could sell to us. Indeed it happens at the very top of the game (arguing this isn't relevant is dumb and counter to your point - if it even happens with the mega rich clubs, which it does, then there's no reason it shouldn't happen down where finances are tighter, and it does). [Post edited 26 Jul 19:32]
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| No Hackney for Boro today… on 19:33 - Jul 26 with 2564 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 19:29 - Jul 26 by Smoresy |
You seem to be forgetting our journey two years ago; I'm sure you didn't just jump on board from last season. Luton the season before, Sunderland the season after.. the idea that 21 teams are looking to tread water while heamorrrhaging cash is laughable really. The idea that instead 19 are, if you remove Brum and Wrexham, is laughable too.
There's a group of clubs, Middlesbrough included, who've been nearly men for some time and they won't be paying deference or waving the white flag to us lot. Obviously every player has a price at the same time, and it's why rivals selling to rivals isn't uncommon. Of course they could sell to us. Indeed it happens at the very top of the game (arguing this isn't relevant is dumb and counter to your point - if it even happens with the mega rich clubs, which it does, then there's no reason it shouldn't happen down where finances are tighter, and it does). [Post edited 26 Jul 19:32]
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You somehow haven’t really understood any of what I’m trying to say. |  | | |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 19:36 - Jul 26 with 2518 views | Smoresy |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 19:33 - Jul 26 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You somehow haven’t really understood any of what I’m trying to say. |
No you've entirely missed my point, and that I agreed with you from the outset on the potential for Boro to sell to us. You instead ploughed down a weird furrow about how nearly all of the league don't see parachute clubs as potential rivals for promotion. [Post edited 26 Jul 19:37]
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| No Hackney for Boro today… on 19:48 - Jul 26 with 2395 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 19:36 - Jul 26 by Smoresy |
No you've entirely missed my point, and that I agreed with you from the outset on the potential for Boro to sell to us. You instead ploughed down a weird furrow about how nearly all of the league don't see parachute clubs as potential rivals for promotion. [Post edited 26 Jul 19:37]
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More than half the league will have what they believe realistic ambitions on promotion, doesn’t change anything about what I’ve said. Some clubs have to sell their top assets when they reach a certain value, that isn’t really apples to apples for all clubs financial situations. | | | |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:00 - Jul 26 with 2299 views | PioneerBlue |
Now is our time | |
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| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:05 - Jul 26 with 2266 views | chantryblueboy |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 19:48 - Jul 26 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
More than half the league will have what they believe realistic ambitions on promotion, doesn’t change anything about what I’ve said. Some clubs have to sell their top assets when they reach a certain value, that isn’t really apples to apples for all clubs financial situations. |
So if they believe they have realistic ambitions on promotion, they wouldn’t sell to what they see as a promotion rival regardless of your perspective | | | |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:07 - Jul 26 with 2232 views | itfcjoe |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:05 - Jul 26 by chantryblueboy |
So if they believe they have realistic ambitions on promotion, they wouldn’t sell to what they see as a promotion rival regardless of your perspective |
Teams like Boro and other play off chasers sell players to parachute teams year in year out, it’s not unusual |  |
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| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:07 - Jul 26 with 2226 views | SheffordBlue |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:05 - Jul 26 by chantryblueboy |
So if they believe they have realistic ambitions on promotion, they wouldn’t sell to what they see as a promotion rival regardless of your perspective |
That might depend on whether they think the funds they could bring in from him could strengthen across different positions and improve their overall squad strength/depth | |
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| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:10 - Jul 26 with 2200 views | chantryblueboy |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:07 - Jul 26 by itfcjoe |
Teams like Boro and other play off chasers sell players to parachute teams year in year out, it’s not unusual |
Only one I can think of in terms of key players last year is Hamer to Sheff U. Do think it has terrible optics as just rolling over, would be fuming if we did it | | | |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:12 - Jul 26 with 2165 views | FrimleyBlue |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:07 - Jul 26 by itfcjoe |
Teams like Boro and other play off chasers sell players to parachute teams year in year out, it’s not unusual |
They don't have a choice really
If no prem teams come in then they've got to fund their own transfers via parachute teams. |  |
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| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:14 - Jul 26 with 2136 views | chantryblueboy |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:12 - Jul 26 by FrimleyBlue |
They don't have a choice really
If no prem teams come in then they've got to fund their own transfers via parachute teams. |
I do think they ultimately have a price they will sell him for, obviously - same with us and every single one of ours, but they would much rather sell to Prem than to us | | | |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:16 - Jul 26 with 2102 views | FrimleyBlue |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:14 - Jul 26 by chantryblueboy |
I do think they ultimately have a price they will sell him for, obviously - same with us and every single one of ours, but they would much rather sell to Prem than to us |
100%
If he doesn't get a prem move i think he in this example would go for £8-£10 mill to a parachute club. | |
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| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:17 - Jul 26 with 2107 views | Superblue95 |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:10 - Jul 26 by chantryblueboy |
Only one I can think of in terms of key players last year is Hamer to Sheff U. Do think it has terrible optics as just rolling over, would be fuming if we did it |
Hamer signed for Sheff Utd in the prem |  |
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| No Hackney for Boro today… on 21:14 - Jul 26 with 1768 views | jayessess |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:10 - Jul 26 by chantryblueboy |
Only one I can think of in terms of key players last year is Hamer to Sheff U. Do think it has terrible optics as just rolling over, would be fuming if we did it |
Zian Flemming
Josh Laurent
Joel Piroe
Ross Stewart
Ryan Manning |  |
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| No Hackney for Boro today… on 21:32 - Jul 26 with 1641 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:14 - Jul 26 by chantryblueboy |
I do think they ultimately have a price they will sell him for, obviously - same with us and every single one of ours, but they would much rather sell to Prem than to us |
You got there! | | | |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 21:48 - Jul 26 with 1515 views | chantryblueboy |
Misread your original point, sorry. No need to be a sarcy wnker though | | | |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 21:54 - Jul 26 with 1449 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 21:48 - Jul 26 by chantryblueboy |
Misread your original point, sorry. No need to be a sarcy wnker though |
If you think I’m sarcy now imagine what I’ll be like during the reveal next week! ;)
If we don’t land him let’s hope it’s someone else of a very decent profile to fill that role. | | | |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 22:24 - Jul 26 with 1266 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:07 - Jul 26 by itfcjoe |
Teams like Boro and other play off chasers sell players to parachute teams year in year out, it’s not unusual |
Joe, are you finding that you inexplicably burst into singing The green green grass of home or Why Why Why Delilah? You may need to see a doctor. |  |
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| No Hackney for Boro today… on 22:41 - Jul 26 with 1157 views | topguy |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 20:07 - Jul 26 by itfcjoe |
Teams like Boro and other play off chasers sell players to parachute teams year in year out, it’s not unusual |
dont disagree think boro have a weaker squad and signed 1 player, i expect they know hes going and prob need him to, to get the best price with 2 years left, i just think the player is stalling to see who the best offer is, like jens did we had an offer in he delayed in case a better came in. | | | |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 23:07 - Jul 26 with 966 views | Smoresy |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 19:48 - Jul 26 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
More than half the league will have what they believe realistic ambitions on promotion, doesn’t change anything about what I’ve said. Some clubs have to sell their top assets when they reach a certain value, that isn’t really apples to apples for all clubs financial situations. |
What you said is that the Boros of the world don't consider themselves as rivals to us for promotion. By the same logic, we didn't think we had any rivals for survival / relegation last summer. Wolves, Everton and co. began with vastly richer squads than us after all, way above £130m of transfer spending. The wealth disparity was even greater than we enjoy now over non-parachute clubs. But obviously our mindset wasn't that. We set out with the established PL stragglers in our sights, no matter that we came up very short in the end.
The same is true of your Boros now and we were case in point not long ago. It's nonsense to think that we didn't consider Leeds a rival in 23/24. They wouldn't have sacked Carrick if they were content with not being rivals for promotion, as Coventry wouldn't have sacked Robins.
Your other point is obviously correct imo and has been agreed with by most on this thread, including me at the beginning. There's a price at which Boro would believe they could use the proceeds to improve their own squad and prospects, while selling becomes even more logical if the player's head's been turned. Not in question really is it. | | | |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 23:43 - Jul 26 with 814 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 23:07 - Jul 26 by Smoresy |
What you said is that the Boros of the world don't consider themselves as rivals to us for promotion. By the same logic, we didn't think we had any rivals for survival / relegation last summer. Wolves, Everton and co. began with vastly richer squads than us after all, way above £130m of transfer spending. The wealth disparity was even greater than we enjoy now over non-parachute clubs. But obviously our mindset wasn't that. We set out with the established PL stragglers in our sights, no matter that we came up very short in the end.
The same is true of your Boros now and we were case in point not long ago. It's nonsense to think that we didn't consider Leeds a rival in 23/24. They wouldn't have sacked Carrick if they were content with not being rivals for promotion, as Coventry wouldn't have sacked Robins.
Your other point is obviously correct imo and has been agreed with by most on this thread, including me at the beginning. There's a price at which Boro would believe they could use the proceeds to improve their own squad and prospects, while selling becomes even more logical if the player's head's been turned. Not in question really is it. |
Jesus you’ve still completely misread my point and it’s irrelevant to the argument about selling anyway as you seem to have acknowledged. Obviously you can go up finishing 5th it 6th with 30 less points, no one has said otherwise. They’re a mid table playoff chaser (and have been for a while) we are favorites to win the league. So yes there’s still mini leagues within leagues. The championship is wide open usually between 4th and 14th!
I don’t think Middlesbrough are a direct rival for top 2. If they’ll sell their best player when it’s most beneficial on his contract why are you nit picking so much when you know what I’m talking about.
Technically anyone is a rival in the same league as you play each other twice. [Post edited 26 Jul 23:44]
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| No Hackney for Boro today… on 08:49 - Jul 27 with 191 views | Smoresy |
| No Hackney for Boro today… on 23:43 - Jul 26 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Jesus you’ve still completely misread my point and it’s irrelevant to the argument about selling anyway as you seem to have acknowledged. Obviously you can go up finishing 5th it 6th with 30 less points, no one has said otherwise. They’re a mid table playoff chaser (and have been for a while) we are favorites to win the league. So yes there’s still mini leagues within leagues. The championship is wide open usually between 4th and 14th!
I don’t think Middlesbrough are a direct rival for top 2. If they’ll sell their best player when it’s most beneficial on his contract why are you nit picking so much when you know what I’m talking about.
Technically anyone is a rival in the same league as you play each other twice. [Post edited 26 Jul 23:44]
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Lol I've read what you've written and replied accordingly. Your points aren't complicated, you appreciate that right? My comprehension skills didn't let me down.
In respect to the limits of their points haul capability, I'm nearly certain you would have described us and Sunderland likewise in the two seasons prior; one ran out of steam after Christmas and one didn't. Of course there are differing expectations between parachute clubs and those without, but their attitude won't be to write off the possibility of a special season in July. We showed that it can be done, despite small differences in squad quality to many around us.
What you've also seemingly failed to grasp is the predicted or potential competitiveness of the top two race. We're favourites to finish there but we're also odds against: 15/8 with the official bookmaker. Middlesbrough are 11/2, joint 5th favourite. You've totally dismissed them, sure, but you're an outlier in thinking that non-parachute clubs have no realistic chance here (and it's curious given who you support, i.e. what we did).
Summarising the betting: we're 1/3 for a top 6 finish, 15/8 for a top 2 finish. The odds lean towards us finishing in the playoffs, because nobody's a certain thing for automatics, and Boro are shorter odds to finish in the top 6 than we are to finish in the top 2 (they're 13/8). But Boro won't see us a promotion rival this summer because Joey's looked into his tea leaves?
Lastly, the argument over selling/finances was created by you. You invented discord on that part of your point when it didn't exist between us, either due to a comprehension fail or because you missed my clarification in my opening post, and what I said in subsequent posts, and you also brought your sass with the "cute" comment. I didn't appreciate the patronising tone and I disagreed with one part of the twofold point you made, hence my replies. I've now laid out in full why I disagree with your "rivals" point and will leave you to your weekend. | | | |
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