| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... 14:43 - Jul 30 with 4018 views | BlacknGoldnBlue |
the boo boys will have to get use to it. He's a decent keeper and probably would have continued playing last year if it wasn't for injury. While Palmer is also a decent keeper Muric has a higher ceiling and KM will show faith in him and he'll be No 1 by end of season! |  |
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| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:10 - Jul 30 with 836 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:02 - Jul 30 by Herbivore |
You're comparing apples and oranges. These are mistakes that led directly to goals, it doesn't include ones he should have saved or could have done better, we're talking him literally giving it to the opposition for a tap in, or running out of his goal and leaving an empty net and a tap in. That's not him being up to the level, that's him lacking the kind of judgement and cool head that you need to make it as a professional goalkeeper. He's done this everywhere he's played and at every level. Even the promotion season with Burnley he dropped some clangers. |
Clangers happen for every player Palmer dropped some massive clangers. Even passing straight to the oppo but they shot wide. That's still a lack of cool head Isn't it or just a bit of bad luck because it was Palmer not muric who passed it.
Look at Palmer. He's had an indirect freekick given against him. And recently a corner despite knowing the new rules etc.
Then we look at outfield players who we seem to be OK saying they found the level hard. But cms being knocked off thr ball outside our box to easily and conceding goals. Or losing the ball on halfway when a simple pass was on and then conceding.. lack of a cool head/judgement or just the level..
For me it should be clean slate for all players. |  |
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| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:11 - Jul 30 with 843 views | darkhorse28 |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 14:48 - Jul 30 by FrimleyBlue |
Crosses... muric over Palmer
Saves muric over Palmer
Calmness maybe Palmer over muric
Team spirit. Maybe Palmer over muric
1 on 1s. Muric over Palmer
Corners. Muric over Palmer
Errors. Palmer over muric
Potential muric over Palmer
Sweeper keeper muric over Palmer
That's how I see it. |
I’ve never seen a keeper (for any club) with such stature, be so measurably poor on crosses and set pieces as Muric.
Not hate.., would have loved him to be amazing, he just isn’t.
He struggles to come out of his six yard area, and even flaps and retreats to his line in the six yards.
He is a good shot stopper.
I bet your point.., some of his weaknesses are also palmer weaknesses and it’s all relative.
The ‘ceiling bit’ I struggle with…, he’s 26, if not at his peak for a keeper he’s not far off, maybe 30 for keepers etc but progress doesn’t really work like that, if you don’t even have the basic skills.
He’s capped 47 times internationally, that’s a huge amount of experience at a nice to at times VERY high level.
He isn’t suddenly becoming good either his feet, good in crosses, bossing his area.
He’s had his 10,000 hours…, ten times over!!
This is it.
He is what he is…, probably does have a decent EFL career ahead of him, but he’s one of the worst keepers ever to grace the premier league.., and I’m 51, I’ve watched it since Phil Whelrn was an actual prospect…, that didn’t age well either.
He’s maybe not quite as bad as some suggest.., but he only ever looked ok at a much lower level, with nothing to do.
That’s what 26 years says.., a lot of evidence.
Any of our 3 keepers could probably look decent this season…, it’s not the litmus test though.., no way is any club ever trusting him as number one in the top flight, ever, not even close, there’s a reason we sacked every analyst and coach even vaguely connected to his recruitment.
Not just poor.., but bloody expensive.., world class keepers cost less.., Cooper cost £2 million and he’s twice as good.., Pope, Ramsdale, Kelleher all cost much less.
Kelleher cost less than Muric.., let that sink in.
No wonder the people recruiting him have left the building.
I trust the clubs judgement in that context. |  | | |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:13 - Jul 30 with 817 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:11 - Jul 30 by darkhorse28 |
I’ve never seen a keeper (for any club) with such stature, be so measurably poor on crosses and set pieces as Muric.
Not hate.., would have loved him to be amazing, he just isn’t.
He struggles to come out of his six yard area, and even flaps and retreats to his line in the six yards.
He is a good shot stopper.
I bet your point.., some of his weaknesses are also palmer weaknesses and it’s all relative.
The ‘ceiling bit’ I struggle with…, he’s 26, if not at his peak for a keeper he’s not far off, maybe 30 for keepers etc but progress doesn’t really work like that, if you don’t even have the basic skills.
He’s capped 47 times internationally, that’s a huge amount of experience at a nice to at times VERY high level.
He isn’t suddenly becoming good either his feet, good in crosses, bossing his area.
He’s had his 10,000 hours…, ten times over!!
This is it.
He is what he is…, probably does have a decent EFL career ahead of him, but he’s one of the worst keepers ever to grace the premier league.., and I’m 51, I’ve watched it since Phil Whelrn was an actual prospect…, that didn’t age well either.
He’s maybe not quite as bad as some suggest.., but he only ever looked ok at a much lower level, with nothing to do.
That’s what 26 years says.., a lot of evidence.
Any of our 3 keepers could probably look decent this season…, it’s not the litmus test though.., no way is any club ever trusting him as number one in the top flight, ever, not even close, there’s a reason we sacked every analyst and coach even vaguely connected to his recruitment.
Not just poor.., but bloody expensive.., world class keepers cost less.., Cooper cost £2 million and he’s twice as good.., Pope, Ramsdale, Kelleher all cost much less.
Kelleher cost less than Muric.., let that sink in.
No wonder the people recruiting him have left the building.
I trust the clubs judgement in that context. |
I’ve never seen a keeper (for any club) with such stature, be so measurably poor on crosses and set pieces as Muric
Our defending of set pieces took a massive downward spiral when muric went out of the team. It's one of his biggest strengths. | |
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| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:14 - Jul 30 with 814 views | Herbivore |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:10 - Jul 30 by FrimleyBlue |
Clangers happen for every player Palmer dropped some massive clangers. Even passing straight to the oppo but they shot wide. That's still a lack of cool head Isn't it or just a bit of bad luck because it was Palmer not muric who passed it.
Look at Palmer. He's had an indirect freekick given against him. And recently a corner despite knowing the new rules etc.
Then we look at outfield players who we seem to be OK saying they found the level hard. But cms being knocked off thr ball outside our box to easily and conceding goals. Or losing the ball on halfway when a simple pass was on and then conceding.. lack of a cool head/judgement or just the level..
For me it should be clean slate for all players. |
Okay, mate. If you're willing to overlook that Muric directly gives a goal away every 4 games across his Prem career with two different clubs then you're welcome to do so. His stats are a massive outlier though compared to every other player in the Prem. And he's made those kinds of errors throughout his career at every level. You are welcome to ignore that and give him a clean slate, others are entitled to have huge reservations about him. |  |
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| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:16 - Jul 30 with 801 views | management |
According to an Ipswich Town fans forum which is very popular, Alex Palmer averaged 6.67 last season (the top of ANY Ipswich player) whereas Muric averaged 5.53 which was nearer the lower end of ratings. I don't feel the majority of Town fans are wrong in these ratings. Palmer gives the defence more confidence. | | | |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:16 - Jul 30 with 799 views | tractor_lady |
Agree technically our best keeper, his distribution last night was heads and shoulders above Walton… one crazy moment again though which is his achillies heel… sadly idiots will be waiting for each little error and jumping on it…. | | | |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:18 - Jul 30 with 777 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:14 - Jul 30 by Herbivore |
Okay, mate. If you're willing to overlook that Muric directly gives a goal away every 4 games across his Prem career with two different clubs then you're welcome to do so. His stats are a massive outlier though compared to every other player in the Prem. And he's made those kinds of errors throughout his career at every level. You are welcome to ignore that and give him a clean slate, others are entitled to have huge reservations about him. |
Tbh it's more on KM and the club as they signed him based on his past performances.
I for one base it on the keepers we have at the club and despite the clangers muric was still the best keeper at the club and still is.
Should another keeper come in? That's a different question.
But if we are having to choose between the 3 keepers we have then its muric over Palmer for me. | |
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| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:21 - Jul 30 with 771 views | BlueStreak |
The best collector of a cross I’ve seen in a long long time for us. Get his head sorted and ask him to start using his mouth and we could be onto something. |  | | |
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| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:25 - Jul 30 with 757 views | baxterbasics |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 15:45 - Jul 30 by CaptainAhab |
Yep, it was undeniably bad.
Mitigating that though, he will be under a lot less pressure in the Championship than he was in the PL. The video of all GK's howlers in last years Prem highlighted how many mistakes came from intense forward pressure which you just don't get in the Championship. A good season building his confidence (admittedly a big if) and then maybe he'd stand a better chance in the PL. |
Definitely true, and our defence struggled against PL attackers too all of which means Muric was more prone to come under pressure and make those mistakes. We should see less of that at this level. |  |
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| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:29 - Jul 30 with 732 views | Herbivore |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:18 - Jul 30 by FrimleyBlue |
Tbh it's more on KM and the club as they signed him based on his past performances.
I for one base it on the keepers we have at the club and despite the clangers muric was still the best keeper at the club and still is.
Should another keeper come in? That's a different question.
But if we are having to choose between the 3 keepers we have then its muric over Palmer for me. |
You can't just say "despite the clangers" though when they happen so frequently and end up costing us goals and points as a result. You have to factor everything in when weighing up who is the better bet and for me, I'd go with Palmer. He's not great, he's definitely not Prem level, but he isn't as erratic and the defence look less panicked when he's playing as a result. I'd even have Walton over Muric to be honest. I can't get on board with persevering with a keeper that's prone to such huge errors on such a regular basis. If we decide to go with him, he'll get my support, but I'd be very surprised if he's still here in September. | |
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| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 17:05 - Jul 30 with 667 views | ITFCSG |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:25 - Jul 30 by baxterbasics |
Definitely true, and our defence struggled against PL attackers too all of which means Muric was more prone to come under pressure and make those mistakes. We should see less of that at this level. |
PL or not with his brain farts and lack of concentration it doesn't what level he plays at he will ultimately gift goals to the opposition.
Look at the Cup game vs Bristol Rovers last season for example. He seemed to blank out at times and also punching the ball straight at the opposition instead of behind or sideways. If they had more clinical strikers he'd been made to look very stupid against a L2 side.
If supporters can't trust him, you think his defenders can? How many times his teammates had to yell at him during matches?
Myself and I believe most supporters hoped he'd come good, but after the debacles in the first half of the season its hard to see him back in the side. Brentford away was bad, but the Southampton game at home was the last straw for me. Unforgivable. | | | |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 17:10 - Jul 30 with 658 views | WestSussexBlue |
Muric will not be at the club by the end of this transfer window. | | | |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 18:32 - Jul 30 with 584 views | Rimsy |
No way Muric will stay. He inspires zero confidence from his defence, not to mention the howlers. Just got to put it down to one that didn't work out. |  |
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| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 18:41 - Jul 30 with 568 views | HighgateBlue |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:29 - Jul 30 by Herbivore |
You can't just say "despite the clangers" though when they happen so frequently and end up costing us goals and points as a result. You have to factor everything in when weighing up who is the better bet and for me, I'd go with Palmer. He's not great, he's definitely not Prem level, but he isn't as erratic and the defence look less panicked when he's playing as a result. I'd even have Walton over Muric to be honest. I can't get on board with persevering with a keeper that's prone to such huge errors on such a regular basis. If we decide to go with him, he'll get my support, but I'd be very surprised if he's still here in September. |
You can say "despite the clangers" if he lets in fewer goals overall. Which he does. |  | | |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 19:04 - Jul 30 with 516 views | Herbivore |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 18:41 - Jul 30 by HighgateBlue |
You can say "despite the clangers" if he lets in fewer goals overall. Which he does. |
You can if you put the fewer goals conceded solely down to his rather than the team's performances, which personally I wouldn't do. Most of Palmer's appearances came when we were already as good as down and struggling to stay competitive and had a pretty brutal injury list to contend with.
Did Muric stop enough goals through his alleged brilliance to compensate for the 5 errors leading to goals, plus the few others that fell into the could have definitely done better bracket? Not for me. | |
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| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 19:16 - Jul 30 with 493 views | vilanovablue |
I'd also add our defence and midfield gave our keepers minimal protection which exposes any keeper. I'd suggest any keeper would have struggled. |  | | |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 19:19 - Jul 30 with 486 views | WestSussexBlue |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 15:32 - Jul 30 by CaptainAhab |
I like Muric, he's so solid on crosses and makes great saves too. Aside from the odd howler the only other concern is his communication, he seemed very quiet to me and didn't seem to inspire much confidence in the defence as a result. Hopefully this can be improved, I'd definitely like him to come good and be our no.1 |
The odd howler?? | | | |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 19:32 - Jul 30 with 461 views | yesjohn99 |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:10 - Jul 30 by FrimleyBlue |
Clangers happen for every player Palmer dropped some massive clangers. Even passing straight to the oppo but they shot wide. That's still a lack of cool head Isn't it or just a bit of bad luck because it was Palmer not muric who passed it.
Look at Palmer. He's had an indirect freekick given against him. And recently a corner despite knowing the new rules etc.
Then we look at outfield players who we seem to be OK saying they found the level hard. But cms being knocked off thr ball outside our box to easily and conceding goals. Or losing the ball on halfway when a simple pass was on and then conceding.. lack of a cool head/judgement or just the level..
For me it should be clean slate for all players. |
If the rest of the squad have given him a clean slate then so should everyone else. If they haven’t though, then you can present every stat in the world, it doesn’t matter. He has to go. It’s well known that, particularly the defensive unit had no confidence in him whatsoever. | | | |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 19:47 - Jul 30 with 429 views | Vic |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 15:40 - Jul 30 by Herbivore |
The odd howler is understating it a fair bit. He's made 7 errors leading to goals in 28 Prem appearances (5 in 18 for us, 2 in 10 for Burnley). That is, by an absolute mile, the worst errors to minutes ratio of any Prem player. He could be Gordon Banks 95% of the time but if you then effectively throw the ball in your own net in a quarter of games, you're not much use to anyone. [Post edited 30 Jul 15:43]
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Was he though? It was a while ago and ive been to sleep since then, but I don't remember his mistakes to goals cost being so high. Happy to be corrected but whats the source for those figures? |  |
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| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 20:07 - Jul 30 with 395 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 15:34 - Jul 30 by Blue_In_Boston |
Muric is a shocking keeper. I said that before we signed him as my Burnley supporting mate couldn't believe what we were paying for him.
I never saw anything that changed my opinion. Having said that, booing your own players hardly increases confidence. |
He really isn't. He's relatively young for a keeper and I'm not sure he is the smartest keeper but he's got some brilliant attributes and can be outstanding. Very inconsistent but if he develops he could be class. | |
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| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 20:11 - Jul 30 with 384 views | FrimleyBlue |
So man utd. Global superstars can cope with onana but ipswich shouldn't put in muric
Sorry herbz I know this is a personal preference thing but I can't get behind not giving him a clean slate because of last season. I'm not saying you're wrong BTW it's your opinion and I value you for it. But for me. People say jeepers don't give defenders confidence. But imo our midfield gave muric no confidence as none of them could keep hold of the ball in the prem. | |
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| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 20:12 - Jul 30 with 381 views | ernie |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 15:22 - Jul 30 by ReusersTown |
Id say it's also in Muric favour, as he was being asked to be more expansive thus a more difficult job. [Post edited 30 Jul 15:23]
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Revisionist. Muric was responsible for at least 6-8 points personally last season. | | | |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 20:13 - Jul 30 with 379 views | Clutch |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 16:11 - Jul 30 by darkhorse28 |
I’ve never seen a keeper (for any club) with such stature, be so measurably poor on crosses and set pieces as Muric.
Not hate.., would have loved him to be amazing, he just isn’t.
He struggles to come out of his six yard area, and even flaps and retreats to his line in the six yards.
He is a good shot stopper.
I bet your point.., some of his weaknesses are also palmer weaknesses and it’s all relative.
The ‘ceiling bit’ I struggle with…, he’s 26, if not at his peak for a keeper he’s not far off, maybe 30 for keepers etc but progress doesn’t really work like that, if you don’t even have the basic skills.
He’s capped 47 times internationally, that’s a huge amount of experience at a nice to at times VERY high level.
He isn’t suddenly becoming good either his feet, good in crosses, bossing his area.
He’s had his 10,000 hours…, ten times over!!
This is it.
He is what he is…, probably does have a decent EFL career ahead of him, but he’s one of the worst keepers ever to grace the premier league.., and I’m 51, I’ve watched it since Phil Whelrn was an actual prospect…, that didn’t age well either.
He’s maybe not quite as bad as some suggest.., but he only ever looked ok at a much lower level, with nothing to do.
That’s what 26 years says.., a lot of evidence.
Any of our 3 keepers could probably look decent this season…, it’s not the litmus test though.., no way is any club ever trusting him as number one in the top flight, ever, not even close, there’s a reason we sacked every analyst and coach even vaguely connected to his recruitment.
Not just poor.., but bloody expensive.., world class keepers cost less.., Cooper cost £2 million and he’s twice as good.., Pope, Ramsdale, Kelleher all cost much less.
Kelleher cost less than Muric.., let that sink in.
No wonder the people recruiting him have left the building.
I trust the clubs judgement in that context. |
Muric was 10 million rising to 15, Kelleher was 12.5 rising to 18.
Ramsdale cost Southampton 18 million rising to 25. |  | | |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 20:15 - Jul 30 with 372 views | Herbivore |
| Muric will be our No 1 by end of season... on 20:11 - Jul 30 by FrimleyBlue |
So man utd. Global superstars can cope with onana but ipswich shouldn't put in muric
Sorry herbz I know this is a personal preference thing but I can't get behind not giving him a clean slate because of last season. I'm not saying you're wrong BTW it's your opinion and I value you for it. But for me. People say jeepers don't give defenders confidence. But imo our midfield gave muric no confidence as none of them could keep hold of the ball in the prem. |
Most United fans also want Onana out, mate. You can say the midfield gave Muric no confidence, it'd be an odd thing to say, but you can say it. However, Palmer had the same midfield in front of him and made no errors leading to goals (see the third link) so I don't think it's a great excuse. | |
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