| Sarina Wiegman 16:01 - Jul 30 with 2713 views | bluelagos |
Done a brilliant job with the Lionesses and before that with the Dutch national side. I think Spain had better players, but her motivational and organisational skills paid triumphantly,
Appreciate the women's game isn't at the same level as the mens - but as a manager - surely some club will take a punt at some point?
Jose, Wenger, McKenna - plenty of high achieving managers didn't play at the top of the men's game, so can't really see why she couldn't be a success.
What level do you think might take a punt? If clubs give people like Pullis, Allardice and McCarthy a go, why not Wiegman?
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| Sarina Wiegman on 21:41 - Jul 30 with 565 views | Waig |
| Sarina Wiegman on 17:44 - Jul 30 by lowhouseblue |
the men's game emphasises speed and physicality in a way that is quite different from the women's game. there isn't the same time or space. that makes it tactically different and to an extent you're looking for different attributes in players. i don't think knowledge of the women's game gives you the same knowledge of the men's game - the two aren't played the same way. |
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| Sarina Wiegman on 21:57 - Jul 30 with 530 views | Swailsey |
There’s absolutely no reason why she couldn’t be a success in the men’s game, and a lot of these comments are super disrespectful to be honest. |  |
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| Sarina Wiegman on 21:58 - Jul 30 with 527 views | jayessess |
| Sarina Wiegman on 17:47 - Jul 30 by WeirdFishes |
Appointing a manager is such a huge thing for clubs they can’t afford to ‘take a punt’ so much these days.
My feeling is that the women’s game is probably in quality somewhere around the men’s U16 level and it’s unusual for a club that matches her profile/reputation would give a job to someone with that level of experience.
I don’t mean that to be insulting towards the women’s game or women’s coaches in general, I’d say the same for the Arsenal women’s coach.
I think if we’re to see more women in coaching and management roles in the men’s game they need to be integrated into set ups much earlier, like McKenna was for example.
The former players that are men have an unfair advantage in that they have been able to play and experience the game first hand so a fast-track pathway for women I think would be a good idea. |
The median tenure of a manager in the top 4 divisions is currently 243 days, so fair to say quite a lot of appointments are "punts" that end in failure.
Think we're long past the idea that you need to have played the game to a very high standard to be a great manager, aren't we?
None of the skills that a good manager nowadays seems to require nowadays - good people management skills, a brain that understands tactics, an eye for identifying talent, a decent understanding of football data, good media skills - seem particularly gendered either. |  |
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| Sarina Wiegman on 22:07 - Jul 30 with 502 views | WeirdFishes |
| Sarina Wiegman on 21:58 - Jul 30 by jayessess |
The median tenure of a manager in the top 4 divisions is currently 243 days, so fair to say quite a lot of appointments are "punts" that end in failure.
Think we're long past the idea that you need to have played the game to a very high standard to be a great manager, aren't we?
None of the skills that a good manager nowadays seems to require nowadays - good people management skills, a brain that understands tactics, an eye for identifying talent, a decent understanding of football data, good media skills - seem particularly gendered either. |
I agree with you entirely, my point is more clubs are less likely to value experience in the women’s game vs men’s game when appointing managers, whether that be a man or a women.
Having a long career in the men’s game as a player of course doesn’t mean you’re going to be a great manager but clearly the industry values it as worthy experience. |  |
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| Sarina Wiegman on 22:21 - Jul 30 with 477 views | jayessess |
| Sarina Wiegman on 22:07 - Jul 30 by WeirdFishes |
I agree with you entirely, my point is more clubs are less likely to value experience in the women’s game vs men’s game when appointing managers, whether that be a man or a women.
Having a long career in the men’s game as a player of course doesn’t mean you’re going to be a great manager but clearly the industry values it as worthy experience. |
Yeah, 100% clubs will value that experience less. I suppose the general thing I'd say is that football club managerial appointments have a very low success rate anyway. The risk in appointing a woman is that they might not work out and you'll have to sack them, a thing that most football clubs seem to do every season anyway!
On the other hand the potential upside is that you've found a pool of talent that's largely untapped in men's football. | |
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| Sarina Wiegman on 23:42 - Jul 30 with 424 views | Bigalhunter |
| Sarina Wiegman on 16:34 - Jul 30 by J2BLUE |
I don't think any club will give her the manager job for the men's team. When Emma Hayes was being linked with jobs in the men's it was clubs like AFC Wimbledon which was an insult really.
Wiegman should be getting a Conference league job in the men's game at least and I just can't see it happening. A league one offer would be pretty insulting. |
If you think she should be getting a Conference league job, why would a league one offer be insulting?
Last time I checked the tables, league one was higher up the ladder than Conference…
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| Sarina Wiegman on 10:38 - Jul 31 with 263 views | Benters |
| Sarina Wiegman on 17:25 - Jul 30 by OldFart71 |
Could be interesting if she walked into the mens changing room and said to one of England's defenders " I'd like to see your tackle" |
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| Sarina Wiegman on 11:12 - Jul 31 with 232 views | Vaughan8 |
I know people won't like this, but the 2 games are so diffierentit is almost a different game.
Just a simple example is in the womens game, you shoot in a corner of the goal, its most likely going in. With the men its a lot less likely.
Dealing with big egos etc in the mens game is a lot different to the womens game which i'm presuming are a lot less.
Even as far as the fans, the men's game is a lot different. The womens game the fans seem to be far more relaxed.
All in all, no way should she just walk into a COnference league team (i.e the top 7 team in the premier league) as suggested earlier on in this thread. [Post edited 31 Jul 11:12]
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| Sarina Wiegman on 11:27 - Jul 31 with 203 views | jayessess |
| Sarina Wiegman on 11:12 - Jul 31 by Vaughan8 |
I know people won't like this, but the 2 games are so diffierentit is almost a different game.
Just a simple example is in the womens game, you shoot in a corner of the goal, its most likely going in. With the men its a lot less likely.
Dealing with big egos etc in the mens game is a lot different to the womens game which i'm presuming are a lot less.
Even as far as the fans, the men's game is a lot different. The womens game the fans seem to be far more relaxed.
All in all, no way should she just walk into a COnference league team (i.e the top 7 team in the premier league) as suggested earlier on in this thread. [Post edited 31 Jul 11:12]
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I don't think it's going to upset anyone to say that women's and men's football are different.
I think the contention here is that there's nothing in the skillset of a manager that requires you to be a man and that all other things being equal, you'd expect as many women as men to have the underlying ability to be good at it. [Post edited 31 Jul 11:29]
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| Sarina Wiegman on 11:48 - Jul 31 with 167 views | Swailsey |
| Sarina Wiegman on 11:27 - Jul 31 by jayessess |
I don't think it's going to upset anyone to say that women's and men's football are different.
I think the contention here is that there's nothing in the skillset of a manager that requires you to be a man and that all other things being equal, you'd expect as many women as men to have the underlying ability to be good at it. [Post edited 31 Jul 11:29]
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Absolutely this. Same with refereeing, officiating, coaching, medics etc - all have women doing these at the highest level of the game, it’s nothing to do with an understanding of men’s football.
It’s fundamentally rooted in many people still thinking that football is a ‘men’s game’ and that a female manager couldn’t get the respect of the male players.
It’s also hugely insulting to assume that someone like Sarina knows less than countless other coaches who have (quite rightly) been given opportunities early (like Kieran, Andrews, Magilton etc). And before anyone says they played at the highest level - you can then point to Wenger, Jose etc etc.
It wouldn’t happen in any other field of work, and it’s depressing in 2025 that people still feel this way, whether the downvoting sexists (because that is what they are, even if it’s subconscious) want to accept it or not. [Post edited 31 Jul 11:52]
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| Sarina Wiegman on 12:12 - Jul 31 with 143 views | BiGDonnie |
| Sarina Wiegman on 16:34 - Jul 30 by J2BLUE |
I don't think any club will give her the manager job for the men's team. When Emma Hayes was being linked with jobs in the men's it was clubs like AFC Wimbledon which was an insult really.
Wiegman should be getting a Conference league job in the men's game at least and I just can't see it happening. A league one offer would be pretty insulting. |
National League South would be comparable to the level of players she's managed. No way is she ever managing a men's club in the top 4 tiers of English football. |  |
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| Sarina Wiegman on 12:24 - Jul 31 with 123 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Sarina Wiegman on 19:20 - Jul 30 by Swansea_Blue |
No reason at all why a female manager couldn’t do the job. Whether she’d be given the chance to is a different matter. The men’s game is still deeply patriarchal and chauvinistic. You do get some female CEOs now, and a few officials, but they’re still very rare. But there’s absolutely no reason why men should be particularly predisposed towards the characteristics that define good leaders. Also on the tactics side, the game is the same just played at lower intensity by the women, so there’s no logical reason for not having female coaches either. |
At last a response on this thread not from the 1970s |  | | |
| Sarina Wiegman on 12:24 - Jul 31 with 122 views | Vaughan8 |
| Sarina Wiegman on 11:27 - Jul 31 by jayessess |
I don't think it's going to upset anyone to say that women's and men's football are different.
I think the contention here is that there's nothing in the skillset of a manager that requires you to be a man and that all other things being equal, you'd expect as many women as men to have the underlying ability to be good at it. [Post edited 31 Jul 11:29]
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Of course some skills can be transferred. This isn't an ideal example but its the only one I have in my head right now....:-
Would say Djokovic be able to switch to Table Tennis, Squash, Badminton and be a top player in those sports?
Initially I'd say no so he'd have to start at a lower level, despite being a top tennis player.
Are some of the skills transferrable - Yes
Would he be better than the average person starting up the sport - Yes
Could/should she manage in the mens game - Of course, but she's not going to start anywhere near the top. | | | |
| Sarina Wiegman on 12:27 - Jul 31 with 115 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Sarina Wiegman on 11:48 - Jul 31 by Swailsey |
Absolutely this. Same with refereeing, officiating, coaching, medics etc - all have women doing these at the highest level of the game, it’s nothing to do with an understanding of men’s football.
It’s fundamentally rooted in many people still thinking that football is a ‘men’s game’ and that a female manager couldn’t get the respect of the male players.
It’s also hugely insulting to assume that someone like Sarina knows less than countless other coaches who have (quite rightly) been given opportunities early (like Kieran, Andrews, Magilton etc). And before anyone says they played at the highest level - you can then point to Wenger, Jose etc etc.
It wouldn’t happen in any other field of work, and it’s depressing in 2025 that people still feel this way, whether the downvoting sexists (because that is what they are, even if it’s subconscious) want to accept it or not. [Post edited 31 Jul 11:52]
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