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I’m sure people are having very balanced reactions to the game.
Birmingham restricted us really well and we laboured away with very little quality, making hard work of simple things too. Cajuste needs to get up to speed quick, that midfield needs support, ASAP.
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 19:44 - Aug 9 with 563 views | Vic |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 16:18 - Aug 9 by Chrisd |
We weren’t great?! A huge understatement. For a lot of that squad that had played together during last season compared to a Brum side that had made additions during the summer we played like strangers and they were the better side. It was a poor performance full stop and Birmingham wanted it more than our players. If you can tell me when Allsop had to make a save that would be great, Szmodics’ effort was poor he should’ve at least hit the target. You don’t have to play like vintage Brazil, at least attempt to do something would be helpful. We did virtually nothing last night in that final third and were outplayed. We got very fortunate to get a draw, which quite frankly we didn’t deserve.
That’s a more honest summary, than your ‘blue tinted’ outlook. [Post edited 9 Aug 16:32]
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Of course they wanted it more - just like we did v Liverpool last year. If they hadn't come out totally hyped up something woukd be very, very wrong. Cant beat our players up for that. It was poor, but it was one game. If we're still sayingbthe same in the middle of September then we can start asking serious questions. |  |
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 19:45 - Aug 9 with 561 views | Chrisd |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 19:32 - Aug 9 by Herbivore |
Why are you making stuff up that nobody has claimed? I said we weren't very good but we weren't outplayed either. It was a poor game, as McKenna said. Very scrappy, very disjointed.
Thanks for demonstrating that aside from three of the back four, most of the side didn't play much last season. No surprise that defence was where we looked most well organised and most comfortable. I'm sure as we get players back and get players in and play together more we'll improve. |
Those stats alone suggest they actually were involved in a lot of games last season, but that’s not something you’re going to admit because that’s not your agenda. Birmingham were the better side, controlled the game and we were lucky to escape with a point, that’s a fact! We did our usual where we had the ball and didn’t really do anything with it. 0 shots on target until the penalty in 95th minute, that alone shows how ineffective we were.
I hope you’re right when we get players back but after the season we had last year, I was really hoping we’d show some intent and set down a marker against that lot, but that was a damp squib performance and you’re not going to change my mind on that. [Post edited 9 Aug 19:59]
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 19:51 - Aug 9 with 530 views | Chrisd |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 19:44 - Aug 9 by tonybied |
Trying to claim we weren't in the game is disingenuous, no team is EVER out of a game at 1-0 down! Despite Birmingham's dominance of the ball, they barely created anything clear-cut themselves. It was mainly possession for the sake of it, next to no penetration. They also tired as the match went on, and their manager make an odd decision to try and protect what they had. We were definitely more in the game, at that point, than any other. If anybody was likely to score in the last 10 minutes is was definitely more likely to have been us. |
So an equaliser was coming was it? Blimey you were watching a different game to me I’m afraid. Birmingham were the better side upto their goal, they perhaps were guilty of taking their foot off the gas at the point. We came into it more huffing and puffing but we did nothing. Let’s not forget they had a perfectly good goal disallowed in the first half IMO. They had 11 attempts with 3 on target, we had 3 attempts, 1 on target which was Hirst’s penalty that came out of the blue. We were lucky and that’s the bottomline. [Post edited 9 Aug 19:56]
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 19:55 - Aug 9 with 516 views | Chrisd |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 19:44 - Aug 9 by Vic |
Of course they wanted it more - just like we did v Liverpool last year. If they hadn't come out totally hyped up something woukd be very, very wrong. Cant beat our players up for that. It was poor, but it was one game. If we're still sayingbthe same in the middle of September then we can start asking serious questions. |
We can still be critical after a poor performance, Vic. What disappointed me there was very few positives to take from that display. Southampton next week now looks an even bigger fixture. [Post edited 9 Aug 19:58]
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:02 - Aug 9 with 497 views | Vic |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 19:55 - Aug 9 by Chrisd |
We can still be critical after a poor performance, Vic. What disappointed me there was very few positives to take from that display. Southampton next week now looks an even bigger fixture. [Post edited 9 Aug 19:58]
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We all agree that we were poor Chris. No one is questioning that. The push back your getting is because you're being a bit 'the sky is falling in'! Its ok to be disappointed, and to have hoped for more. I think we all feel like that, but its to early to be to sure its an indicator of anything. You're entitled to your opinion, but dont be too surprisedvwhen others dont share it - footie is a fame of opinions!! | |
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:02 - Aug 9 with 497 views | pointofblue |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 19:55 - Aug 9 by Chrisd |
We can still be critical after a poor performance, Vic. What disappointed me there was very few positives to take from that display. Southampton next week now looks an even bigger fixture. [Post edited 9 Aug 19:58]
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Central midfield was always going to be an issue yesterday - I think most of us called it before kick off. But it did concern me how disjointed the rest of the team looked, even taking that into account. | |
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 19:51 - Aug 9 by Chrisd |
So an equaliser was coming was it? Blimey you were watching a different game to me I’m afraid. Birmingham were the better side upto their goal, they perhaps were guilty of taking their foot off the gas at the point. We came into it more huffing and puffing but we did nothing. Let’s not forget they had a perfectly good goal disallowed in the first half IMO. They had 11 attempts with 3 on target, we had 3 attempts, 1 on target which was Hirst’s penalty that came out of the blue. We were lucky and that’s the bottomline. [Post edited 9 Aug 19:56]
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Why do you keep twisting everyones words, where did I say anything that resembles an equaliser was coming? I said we were more likely, Birmingham totally run out of steam at the end of the match, we didn't and pushed harder than they did. Sure, we didn't create much, not sure if you've ever watched football before, but you don't have to create much to score in football. It can be one moment of skill or one moment of good fortune and you can snatch an undeserved result.
You should try to enjoy that result, it's a much better feeling than totally dominating a match, having the luck go against you and having the result snatched away from you. Aren't we all here as fans of ITFC to enjoy these moments, whether earned or gifted? |  | | |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:14 - Aug 9 with 463 views | Chrisd |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:02 - Aug 9 by Vic |
We all agree that we were poor Chris. No one is questioning that. The push back your getting is because you're being a bit 'the sky is falling in'! Its ok to be disappointed, and to have hoped for more. I think we all feel like that, but its to early to be to sure its an indicator of anything. You're entitled to your opinion, but dont be too surprisedvwhen others dont share it - footie is a fame of opinions!! |
Not at all, I’m not going to be happy with a performance like that after the season we had last year. Let’s not forget, there was plenty of talk players were bought last season in preparation for this campaign. Yes, it’s one game but I was expecting more from our players that have been playing and training with each other for a season than 1 shot on target in the 95th min and looking so disjointed. We aren’t a completely new team, 10 of our starting 11 were here last season.
You’re right though, football is a game of opinions, but I’m certainly not ‘the sky’s falling in’ it was just a really poor display and I was really frustrated by it. | |
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:22 - Aug 9 with 431 views | Chrisd |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:03 - Aug 9 by tonybied |
Why do you keep twisting everyones words, where did I say anything that resembles an equaliser was coming? I said we were more likely, Birmingham totally run out of steam at the end of the match, we didn't and pushed harder than they did. Sure, we didn't create much, not sure if you've ever watched football before, but you don't have to create much to score in football. It can be one moment of skill or one moment of good fortune and you can snatch an undeserved result.
You should try to enjoy that result, it's a much better feeling than totally dominating a match, having the luck go against you and having the result snatched away from you. Aren't we all here as fans of ITFC to enjoy these moments, whether earned or gifted? |
When did we push harder? Allsop didn’t have a save to make. I would just like to point out scoring a goal is the hardest part of the game and if you don’t shoot you don’t score. The manner in which we played I thought we could still be there now and not score, even as a Town fan I just felt we didn’t warrant or deserve that equaliser. It came as complete surprise because we’d been so toothless. If that penalty decision had been given against us I’d have been disappointed.
Certainly a fortunate point gained, than two points lost. [Post edited 9 Aug 20:27]
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:26 - Aug 9 with 421 views | Herbivore |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 19:45 - Aug 9 by Chrisd |
Those stats alone suggest they actually were involved in a lot of games last season, but that’s not something you’re going to admit because that’s not your agenda. Birmingham were the better side, controlled the game and we were lucky to escape with a point, that’s a fact! We did our usual where we had the ball and didn’t really do anything with it. 0 shots on target until the penalty in 95th minute, that alone shows how ineffective we were.
I hope you’re right when we get players back but after the season we had last year, I was really hoping we’d show some intent and set down a marker against that lot, but that was a damp squib performance and you’re not going to change my mind on that. [Post edited 9 Aug 19:59]
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It's not a fact that we were lucky to escape with a point, that's an opinion. Your opinion. Differentiating between opinion and facts is important. For example, it's your opinion that the side we put out last night played lots of football last season, it's a fact that only three of them started more than half our games. That's not a lot of football for most people. Certainly most players wouldn't consider themselves to have been playing regularly if they were staring considerably less than 50% of the time.
I know I won't change your mind, and I'm not trying to. But it's fine for me to counter your view with my own and to point out where you're trying to pass off your opinion as fact. |  |
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:28 - Aug 9 with 418 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 19:55 - Aug 9 by Chrisd |
We can still be critical after a poor performance, Vic. What disappointed me there was very few positives to take from that display. Southampton next week now looks an even bigger fixture. [Post edited 9 Aug 19:58]
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Was the performance below par? Yes.
Did we get the result we needed? Yes.
Do we need a better performance against Southampton next week? Yes - it will better gauge where we are.
A win next week keeps us on track, and offers the opportunity to get the season well under way. | | | |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:32 - Aug 9 with 411 views | Chrisd |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:28 - Aug 9 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Was the performance below par? Yes.
Did we get the result we needed? Yes.
Do we need a better performance against Southampton next week? Yes - it will better gauge where we are.
A win next week keeps us on track, and offers the opportunity to get the season well under way. |
Certainly, however with Southampton winning today that’s going to give them a huge shot in the arm ahead of next week. | |
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:39 - Aug 9 with 397 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:26 - Aug 9 by Herbivore |
It's not a fact that we were lucky to escape with a point, that's an opinion. Your opinion. Differentiating between opinion and facts is important. For example, it's your opinion that the side we put out last night played lots of football last season, it's a fact that only three of them started more than half our games. That's not a lot of football for most people. Certainly most players wouldn't consider themselves to have been playing regularly if they were staring considerably less than 50% of the time.
I know I won't change your mind, and I'm not trying to. But it's fine for me to counter your view with my own and to point out where you're trying to pass off your opinion as fact. |
So in your opinion were you disappointed we didn't muster a shot on target until a last gasp penalty?
It's extremely early days and there is certainly no need to panic but a little critique is surely allowed, this summer has been a frustrating and disappointing one so far. Hopefully that will change before the window shuts. |  | | |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:50 - Aug 9 with 378 views | Chrisd |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:26 - Aug 9 by Herbivore |
It's not a fact that we were lucky to escape with a point, that's an opinion. Your opinion. Differentiating between opinion and facts is important. For example, it's your opinion that the side we put out last night played lots of football last season, it's a fact that only three of them started more than half our games. That's not a lot of football for most people. Certainly most players wouldn't consider themselves to have been playing regularly if they were staring considerably less than 50% of the time.
I know I won't change your mind, and I'm not trying to. But it's fine for me to counter your view with my own and to point out where you're trying to pass off your opinion as fact. |
Again it’s fine to challenge you too, that’s what this platform is for. Yesterday, we were lucky to escape with a point because we didn’t do enough in the game to warrant that, you might classify that as opinion but for me that is fact especially when you don’t have a shot on target until given a fortunate penalty decision. Like I mentioned on another post, Allsop didn’t have to make a save until our penalty in injury time, that’s another fact!
Secondly, with the games played which also includes substitution appearances last season there is plenty of game time there amongst those players. Let’s not forget 10 of our starting 11 were here last season, which means they will also train regularly together on a daily basis, building those relationships on the pitch, again another fact. Disappointing when Birmingham had a number of new signings making their debut yesterday, they should’ve been the ones disjointed, not us but that’s my opinion.
Look, I would have taken the point if offered before the game, I’m sure it will be a point gained as the season kicks on, but following on from last season that was underwhelming and a disappointing display…….in my opinion! [Post edited 9 Aug 20:54]
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:54 - Aug 9 with 357 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:32 - Aug 9 by Chrisd |
Certainly, however with Southampton winning today that’s going to give them a huge shot in the arm ahead of next week. |
Did you watch any of the Southampton game? They were lucky. They carry a threat going forward, but the defence is very suspect.
I’m not taking a win for granted, but at Portman road, on our pitch with the crowed behind the team, then if we play like we did during pre-season, Southampton are there for the taking. | | | |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 21:11 - Aug 9 with 323 views | Chrisd |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:54 - Aug 9 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Did you watch any of the Southampton game? They were lucky. They carry a threat going forward, but the defence is very suspect.
I’m not taking a win for granted, but at Portman road, on our pitch with the crowed behind the team, then if we play like we did during pre-season, Southampton are there for the taking. |
I didn’t watch the Southampton game today, let’s hope so, but we thought that last season too and we got 1pt from Southampton, who were one of the worst EPL teams in the league’s history, across our two league games with them, which is another sorry fact. [Post edited 9 Aug 21:40]
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 21:14 - Aug 9 with 319 views | Herbivore |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:50 - Aug 9 by Chrisd |
Again it’s fine to challenge you too, that’s what this platform is for. Yesterday, we were lucky to escape with a point because we didn’t do enough in the game to warrant that, you might classify that as opinion but for me that is fact especially when you don’t have a shot on target until given a fortunate penalty decision. Like I mentioned on another post, Allsop didn’t have to make a save until our penalty in injury time, that’s another fact!
Secondly, with the games played which also includes substitution appearances last season there is plenty of game time there amongst those players. Let’s not forget 10 of our starting 11 were here last season, which means they will also train regularly together on a daily basis, building those relationships on the pitch, again another fact. Disappointing when Birmingham had a number of new signings making their debut yesterday, they should’ve been the ones disjointed, not us but that’s my opinion.
Look, I would have taken the point if offered before the game, I’m sure it will be a point gained as the season kicks on, but following on from last season that was underwhelming and a disappointing display…….in my opinion! [Post edited 9 Aug 20:54]
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That we were lucky to escape with a point is your opinion, it's not a fact. That the penalty was fortunate is your opinion, not a fact. What is a fact is that, by the current interpretation of the handball rule, their player committed a handball in the area. So your opinion that it was fortunate isn't supported by the facts either.
We didn't test Allsop as much as any of us would have liked, but Szmodics' chance in the first half isn't any less of a good chance because he put it wide rather than hitting it straight at the keeper so I'm not sure it matters quite as much as you think. Same also goes for Taylor's header and Davis' chance. But you're entitled to your opinion. | |
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 21:29 - Aug 9 with 298 views | Chrisd |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 21:14 - Aug 9 by Herbivore |
That we were lucky to escape with a point is your opinion, it's not a fact. That the penalty was fortunate is your opinion, not a fact. What is a fact is that, by the current interpretation of the handball rule, their player committed a handball in the area. So your opinion that it was fortunate isn't supported by the facts either.
We didn't test Allsop as much as any of us would have liked, but Szmodics' chance in the first half isn't any less of a good chance because he put it wide rather than hitting it straight at the keeper so I'm not sure it matters quite as much as you think. Same also goes for Taylor's header and Davis' chance. But you're entitled to your opinion. |
I’m going to save this post, so when we have one go against us this season I’m going to bring this back up. It suits your argument currently and in this case in the referee’s opinion it was handball, it doesn’t guarantee next week or the next time it will be a penalty as it might get missed or in the official’s opinion he does not believe it is genuine handball. But I’ll bide my time and wait for that incident and bring this back up and see how you react because the rule book is so important to you.
Szmodics chance at the very least he should have got on target in my opinion, he’ll be disappointed by that. Taylor’s wasn’t even a half chance, he wasn’t convinced he was going to score there but again that is my opinion. You don’t get a goal if you hit a shot or head wide by the way, that’s a fact just to make it clear. [Post edited 9 Aug 21:39]
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 21:52 - Aug 9 with 267 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 20:54 - Aug 9 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Did you watch any of the Southampton game? They were lucky. They carry a threat going forward, but the defence is very suspect.
I’m not taking a win for granted, but at Portman road, on our pitch with the crowed behind the team, then if we play like we did during pre-season, Southampton are there for the taking. |
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 21:58 - Aug 9 with 253 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 21:29 - Aug 9 by Chrisd |
I’m going to save this post, so when we have one go against us this season I’m going to bring this back up. It suits your argument currently and in this case in the referee’s opinion it was handball, it doesn’t guarantee next week or the next time it will be a penalty as it might get missed or in the official’s opinion he does not believe it is genuine handball. But I’ll bide my time and wait for that incident and bring this back up and see how you react because the rule book is so important to you.
Szmodics chance at the very least he should have got on target in my opinion, he’ll be disappointed by that. Taylor’s wasn’t even a half chance, he wasn’t convinced he was going to score there but again that is my opinion. You don’t get a goal if you hit a shot or head wide by the way, that’s a fact just to make it clear. [Post edited 9 Aug 21:39]
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 22:07 - Aug 9 with 224 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 21:52 - Aug 9 by GlasgowBlue |
They had good options from the bench. |
They do. As do we (Chappers, Broadhead, Young …). I might be misinterpreting your point though?
That also doesn’t nullify the fact that Southampton are defensively fragile. | | | |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 22:11 - Aug 9 with 217 views | Chrisd |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 21:58 - Aug 9 by StNeotsBlue |
To be fair I thought Taylor's header was a decent chance and at the very least he should be testing the keeper. |
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 22:18 - Aug 9 with 207 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 19:44 - Aug 9 by Vic |
Of course they wanted it more - just like we did v Liverpool last year. If they hadn't come out totally hyped up something woukd be very, very wrong. Cant beat our players up for that. It was poor, but it was one game. If we're still sayingbthe same in the middle of September then we can start asking serious questions. |
I don't get the whole they wanted it more stuff
Both sides went out to win the game. It was an ugly game. We had 1 less shot than them first half.
2nd half also ugly yet brum mainly had chances from ournmistakes rather than their own play.
It amazed me how much people and sky went on about town not controlling the game. We never really did in the champ anyway. But when we attacked last time round we were dangerous. Not so much yesterday but it'll come.
We looked a bunch of strangers. But I dont see how brum wanted it more.
The fact we equalised so late in the game is a sign that we certainly wanted something.
To chrisd
Stat wise
Brum had 11 shots we had 7. Not a great number but away v home to have just 4 less shots isn't that bad.
49% possession town v 51% brum. Again not bad.
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| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 22:41 - Aug 9 with 180 views | Vic |
| Good teams play badly but still pick up points- on 22:18 - Aug 9 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't get the whole they wanted it more stuff
Both sides went out to win the game. It was an ugly game. We had 1 less shot than them first half.
2nd half also ugly yet brum mainly had chances from ournmistakes rather than their own play.
It amazed me how much people and sky went on about town not controlling the game. We never really did in the champ anyway. But when we attacked last time round we were dangerous. Not so much yesterday but it'll come.
We looked a bunch of strangers. But I dont see how brum wanted it more.
The fact we equalised so late in the game is a sign that we certainly wanted something.
To chrisd
Stat wise
Brum had 11 shots we had 7. Not a great number but away v home to have just 4 less shots isn't that bad.
49% possession town v 51% brum. Again not bad.
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by 'wanted it more' I just meant that it was a bigger game for them and the supporters as they are newly promited, so more excited, and looking forward to it, kind of this. A bit like we probably were first game last season - so fueld up with adrenalin in that first half it was crazy! | |
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