| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? 11:20 - Aug 14 with 3272 views | SamWhiteUK |
I've seen a few people say that they wouldn't be surprised if Hackney ended up here and I wouldn't be either, but what happened with the other guy... Ruiz? There was all that, he doesn't want to come here, no he never said that, no he's staying put... is that all wrapped up now? [Post edited 14 Aug 11:20]
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| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 11:33 - Aug 14 with 2968 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
If Hackney like Omari do not want to play for Ipswich Town Football Club it is a non starter. Period |  | | |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 11:36 - Aug 14 with 2901 views | ipswichtillidie |
Major TV network in Mexico linking us again!
He was expected to go to Palmeiras but that seems to have ended. May pave the way for us. [Post edited 14 Aug 12:05]
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| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 11:38 - Aug 14 with 2828 views | bartyg |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 11:33 - Aug 14 by WolfieAtTheBack |
If Hackney like Omari do not want to play for Ipswich Town Football Club it is a non starter. Period |
It's never that cut and dry
It's employment at the end of the day- players will sign for clubs who offer the best deals. This rosy ideal of loyalty that many posters are wedded to just doesn't exist in most cases. |  | | |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 11:41 - Aug 14 with 2735 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 11:33 - Aug 14 by WolfieAtTheBack |
If Hackney like Omari do not want to play for Ipswich Town Football Club it is a non starter. Period |
Nonsense |  |
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| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 11:42 - Aug 14 with 2684 views | iamipswich |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 11:33 - Aug 14 by WolfieAtTheBack |
If Hackney like Omari do not want to play for Ipswich Town Football Club it is a non starter. Period |
Tell that to Azon |  |
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| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 15:43 - Aug 14 with 1890 views | lazyblue |
Why, HH didn’t want to come here so why bother. | | | |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 15:44 - Aug 14 with 1851 views | Libero |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 11:33 - Aug 14 by WolfieAtTheBack |
If Hackney like Omari do not want to play for Ipswich Town Football Club it is a non starter. Period |
Aye, this was part of why I was really apprehensive about the Philogene signing, he had his chance and rejected us for Villa. I didn't like the message it sent of going back in for him, but I think maybe I was just being a bit silly. |  | | |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 15:53 - Aug 14 with 1694 views | NedPlimpton |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 15:43 - Aug 14 by lazyblue |
Why, HH didn’t want to come here so why bother. |
Because he might want to come here if he still hasn't found a prem club by the end of the window |  | | |
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| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 15:55 - Aug 14 with 1659 views | bartyg |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 15:44 - Aug 14 by Libero |
Aye, this was part of why I was really apprehensive about the Philogene signing, he had his chance and rejected us for Villa. I didn't like the message it sent of going back in for him, but I think maybe I was just being a bit silly. |
Can you blame him? They had matching rights, I think 99% of players would choose the established prem side over us | | | |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 16:02 - Aug 14 with 1527 views | Libero |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 15:55 - Aug 14 by bartyg |
Can you blame him? They had matching rights, I think 99% of players would choose the established prem side over us |
I can, yeah - there's no way he was ever going to get into that team at Villa.
As I say, people probably shouldn't listen to anything I say surrounding the deal or the player as I'm fairly confident I've got an illogical bias against him because of the nature of the deal.
I'm hoping he wins me round this season. | | | |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 16:21 - Aug 14 with 1283 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 16:02 - Aug 14 by Libero |
I can, yeah - there's no way he was ever going to get into that team at Villa.
As I say, people probably shouldn't listen to anything I say surrounding the deal or the player as I'm fairly confident I've got an illogical bias against him because of the nature of the deal.
I'm hoping he wins me round this season. |
You blame Philogene? On what basis? The way it was reported, he had no choice - the buyback/matching rights allegedly included Philogene tied to a pre-agreed contract for his return. These types of contracts are often framed that way (otherwise they would be worthless to the club with the matching rights, as the player could invalidate it).
This is a good example of illogical (and unreasonable) bias against the player. No offence intended - you did volunteer the accusation  | | | |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 16:35 - Aug 14 with 1038 views | ITFCSG |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 11:36 - Aug 14 by ipswichtillidie |
Major TV network in Mexico linking us again!
He was expected to go to Palmeiras but that seems to have ended. May pave the way for us. [Post edited 14 Aug 12:05]
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Tolouse looking to sign Ruiz as well?
And they want AAH?
What a strange disparity in quality they are after | | | |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 16:36 - Aug 14 with 1021 views | Big_Jase |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 16:35 - Aug 14 by ITFCSG |
Tolouse looking to sign Ruiz as well?
And they want AAH?
What a strange disparity in quality they are after |
Hate to burst everyone’s bubble on this but it’s an AI predicted transfer thread… |  |
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| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 16:58 - Aug 14 with 761 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 11:33 - Aug 14 by WolfieAtTheBack |
If Hackney like Omari do not want to play for Ipswich Town Football Club it is a non starter. Period |
Morsy took some persuading, that seemed to work out alright. |  |
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| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 17:07 - Aug 14 with 631 views | lazyblue |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 15:53 - Aug 14 by NedPlimpton |
Because he might want to come here if he still hasn't found a prem club by the end of the window |
Doubt it | | | |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 17:34 - Aug 14 with 371 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 11:38 - Aug 14 by bartyg |
It's never that cut and dry
It's employment at the end of the day- players will sign for clubs who offer the best deals. This rosy ideal of loyalty that many posters are wedded to just doesn't exist in most cases. |
Sam Morsy had to be dragged kicking and screaming to Ipswich. He worked out rather well. |  |
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| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 17:58 - Aug 14 with 167 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Revisiting Hackney... and Ruiz? on 16:31 - Aug 14 by Libero |
I think you misunderstand what ‘first refusal’ or ‘first option’ is in this scenario!
I believe Aston Villa simply had a buy back clause and had to be informed of incoming transfer bids? [Post edited 14 Aug 16:38]
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It was reported as 'matching right'. Now, of course, nothing was publicly said by the parties that would know (AV, JP and the agent), but we can only go on what was reported at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5626592/2024/07/10/aston-villa-jaden-philogene/
This following link is football related, but not specifically player related, and does discuss the legal position.
https://northridgelaw.com/practical-guide-to-matching-rights/
“If any other person makes me an offer for my rights, I will come to you and, if you are willing to make me the same offer, I will sell you those rights.”
Legal this could be construed in a way that any agreement between Hull and Ipswich was void as soon as Villa exercised their matching rights. In such a scenario, Hull and Phillogene had no option.
Without us knowing the precise details of the matching rights clause in the contract, we will never know, but Philogene may have had no option having signed (whatever was in) the original contractual matching rights. | | | |
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