| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead 13:05 - Aug 14 with 4379 views | Libero |
We've absolutely pulled Wrexham's pants down.
Not only is he available for free next season but despite being an incredibly gifted footballer and goalscorer, he has to be managed *very* carefully.
In our promotion season he never played two games in a week, he very rarely completes 90 minutes.
We're a long way from the 'soft touch' that Ashton describes as us being when he stole Adam Webster from us for a pittance on behalf of Bristol City. |  | | |  |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:57 - Aug 14 with 538 views | Swailsey |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:42 - Aug 14 by Libero |
Which deal do you feel we got the rough end on? I appreciate that a few of the deals didn't show immediately in the manner in which we'd hoped, but they were all signed with the future in mind and reflect market value.
Only one I personally questioned was Philogene, but he has such a high glass celling that even in the worst case scenario we will recover the majority of his fee if he weren't to work out and move on - he is an England U21 player after all. |
Tough one.
Muric was still expensive by goalkeeper standards (considering his erratic form) and Philogene still baffles me - how we paid more for him than Villa did when he had done nothing of note all season was crazy. Clarke was fair price, but has been largely disappointing.
On the flip side, it’s excellent money for Broadhead (although I love him) and marking a profit on Omari after his mediocre season will be great too if we do it. |  |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:58 - Aug 14 with 533 views | Libero |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:54 - Aug 14 by _clive_baker_ |
I think some of our fans think we should defy the odds and trends of just about every other club in the land and achieve a 100% hit rate on signings.
It's like investing, you won't win them all but the aim of the game is to win more than you lose, and when you lose you manage it to mitigate the loss (a la Muric). We've probably got a loan fee for him, his wage off the books and an option from their side (admittedly not an obligation) that would claw a big chunk of what we've spent if exercised. When you win you maximise your return, in service of improving the squad year over year. We've probably spent somewhere in the region of, what, £150m between game changer coming on board up until this summer, including add ons? £10m - £15m pre premier league and £130m in it?
Delap has gone for £30m. Broadhead £8m. Hutchinson could go for £35m tomorrow if we wanted to. That's half our spend back on those 3. Davis is probably worth £15m. Clarke, Greaves, O'Shea & Hirst probably bridge the gap alone, if not more. That's before Ogbene, Szmodics, Philogene etc who are probably £25m+ on a bad day.
I'm almost certain the realistic book value and in some cases realised value is greater than what we've paid at a total level. You won't find a club in the land with a 100% hit rate, even Brighton have had some stinkers. |
I echo every word of that - just to add, it's far too early to decide if the likes of Clarke or Philogene can be defined as "hits" - they maybe suffer a bit because Delap came in and made *such* an immediate and impressive impact.
Siderbar: I think you've potentially underrated Leif Davis. Man is one of the most creative Championship full backs of all time, I know people bemoan his defending, reality is he plays the role he is told to play which does leave the left somewhat exposed at times. | | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:01 - Aug 14 with 507 views | Libero |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:57 - Aug 14 by Swailsey |
Tough one.
Muric was still expensive by goalkeeper standards (considering his erratic form) and Philogene still baffles me - how we paid more for him than Villa did when he had done nothing of note all season was crazy. Clarke was fair price, but has been largely disappointing.
On the flip side, it’s excellent money for Broadhead (although I love him) and marking a profit on Omari after his mediocre season will be great too if we do it. |
I'm no Muric fan and I think retrospectively the business was obviously poor, but what I will say is how many Championship Goalkeepers of the year have moved on for less than £8 million? I think he was 25 when we signed him, still very young in goalkeeping terms.
I can't speak on the Philogene deal, I think I've got an illogical bias against it as I really didn't like the fact we were going back in for a player so soon after he had rejected us previously just to sit on Aston Villa's bench. | | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:04 - Aug 14 with 476 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:42 - Aug 14 by Libero |
Which deal do you feel we got the rough end on? I appreciate that a few of the deals didn't show immediately in the manner in which we'd hoped, but they were all signed with the future in mind and reflect market value.
Only one I personally questioned was Philogene, but he has such a high glass celling that even in the worst case scenario we will recover the majority of his fee if he weren't to work out and move on - he is an England U21 player after all. |
We paid a promotion tax on a few no doubt, was always going to happen when you do nearly all your business in the EFL and we got some flat out wrong obviously. I don't think it was terrible recruitment just didn't like the overall strategy of paying over 100M on all English championship players.
I also question getting both Clarke and Philogene for 37M in one area of the pitch both have yet to prove they have the physicality a step up. If we got Philogene over the line I don't think Clarke would have happened. Maybe Broady being injured last summer forced our hand but it was still a big outlay.
i am encouraged to see us going further afield this summer. |  |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:04 - Aug 14 with 464 views | _clive_baker_ |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:58 - Aug 14 by Libero |
I echo every word of that - just to add, it's far too early to decide if the likes of Clarke or Philogene can be defined as "hits" - they maybe suffer a bit because Delap came in and made *such* an immediate and impressive impact.
Siderbar: I think you've potentially underrated Leif Davis. Man is one of the most creative Championship full backs of all time, I know people bemoan his defending, reality is he plays the role he is told to play which does leave the left somewhat exposed at times. |
Possibly have in Leif's case to be fair, could easily add £5m on that number.
FWIW I really rate Philogene, he was absolutely electric for Cardiff and Hull and no reason whatsoever he can't or won't be for us. |  | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:09 - Aug 14 with 425 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:04 - Aug 14 by _clive_baker_ |
Possibly have in Leif's case to be fair, could easily add £5m on that number.
FWIW I really rate Philogene, he was absolutely electric for Cardiff and Hull and no reason whatsoever he can't or won't be for us. |
Any word on his injury? Seems to have gone a bit quiet, was really hoping he could start the season strong.
Guess we will have a presser tomorrow. | |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:13 - Aug 14 with 393 views | _clive_baker_ |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:09 - Aug 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Any word on his injury? Seems to have gone a bit quiet, was really hoping he could start the season strong.
Guess we will have a presser tomorrow. |
Not as bad as first feared was the last I heard, but not sure when he's actually back. Hopefully he can play a part on Sunday.
Got to get him up to speed ASAP, a real differential at this level. | | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:15 - Aug 14 with 377 views | NthQldITFC |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:02 - Aug 14 by Churchman |
I agree. It wasn’t my finest. Apologies. |
No need for apologies, especially given the circumstances. My best wishes to you and yours. |  |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:31 - Aug 14 with 320 views | positivity |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:53 - Aug 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You're argument holds no water, you're saying he is more proven at this level but I am suggesting that was in a different set up which seems more relevant, as he is now playing for us.
Of course he has not had the chance yet for us in the EFL, I am sure he will look very good in games with space against poor opposition but I don't really see a PL player in there.
Your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever, so can't be bothered to get in the weeds of it. He obviously won't go for a profit if his career take a backwards step for whatever the reason, that's just not how football works and I don't think we ever underpaid for him either. [Post edited 14 Aug 15:54]
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his valuation won't be affected if people believe that it's only the formation which is holding him back .
you seem to be judging clarke purely on a few games with us at prem level and broady on his games at championship and league one level in "games with space against poor opposition" |  |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:33 - Aug 14 with 308 views | tonybied |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:01 - Aug 14 by Libero |
I'm no Muric fan and I think retrospectively the business was obviously poor, but what I will say is how many Championship Goalkeepers of the year have moved on for less than £8 million? I think he was 25 when we signed him, still very young in goalkeeping terms.
I can't speak on the Philogene deal, I think I've got an illogical bias against it as I really didn't like the fact we were going back in for a player so soon after he had rejected us previously just to sit on Aston Villa's bench. |
Kieran made it pretty clear at the time we signed Philogene, he didn't reject us to sit on the Villa bench. Villa activated their buyback clause, from that point Philogene had no say in his destination. The buyback clause put in place when Villa sold Philogene to Hull would've included the terms the player would receive on return, pre-agreed with the player. Similar to the Akpom deal for us, the contract terms for a permanent move are already agreed. Akpom will have no choice but to sign for us regardless on whether he does or doesn't want to at the end of the season, because a clause has been put in place with Ajax and terms agreed with the player in advance. |  | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:36 - Aug 14 with 275 views | Libero |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:33 - Aug 14 by tonybied |
Kieran made it pretty clear at the time we signed Philogene, he didn't reject us to sit on the Villa bench. Villa activated their buyback clause, from that point Philogene had no say in his destination. The buyback clause put in place when Villa sold Philogene to Hull would've included the terms the player would receive on return, pre-agreed with the player. Similar to the Akpom deal for us, the contract terms for a permanent move are already agreed. Akpom will have no choice but to sign for us regardless on whether he does or doesn't want to at the end of the season, because a clause has been put in place with Ajax and terms agreed with the player in advance. |
As I understand it the buy-back clause simply means that Aston Villa would be informed of potential bids and if they matched would be accepted, I don’t believe it gave them exclusivity- seems to be common belief it did though?
Maybe you could dig out the McKenna quote and someone like Phil or Joe can chime in and clear it up? I’d be very happy to be wrong, but as far as I’m aware Jaden still had an active choice in matters. | | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:39 - Aug 14 with 257 views | Herbivore |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:36 - Aug 14 by Libero |
As I understand it the buy-back clause simply means that Aston Villa would be informed of potential bids and if they matched would be accepted, I don’t believe it gave them exclusivity- seems to be common belief it did though?
Maybe you could dig out the McKenna quote and someone like Phil or Joe can chime in and clear it up? I’d be very happy to be wrong, but as far as I’m aware Jaden still had an active choice in matters. |
There was definitely a quote from McKenna when we signed Philogene in January where he said something along the lines of he wanted to come here in the summer but had no choice because of the deal with Villa. The implication was definitely that he was obliged to go back there rather than chose to. I was surprised as during the summer saga, it felt more like they had matching rights rather than locked in deal, but the boy McKenna definitely suggested otherwise in January. |  |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:40 - Aug 14 with 245 views | tonybied |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:36 - Aug 14 by Libero |
As I understand it the buy-back clause simply means that Aston Villa would be informed of potential bids and if they matched would be accepted, I don’t believe it gave them exclusivity- seems to be common belief it did though?
Maybe you could dig out the McKenna quote and someone like Phil or Joe can chime in and clear it up? I’d be very happy to be wrong, but as far as I’m aware Jaden still had an active choice in matters. |
I've just seen you've denied this is the case on another thread, check it out in Phil's piece in January.
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:40 - Aug 14 with 241 views | Libero |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:39 - Aug 14 by Herbivore |
There was definitely a quote from McKenna when we signed Philogene in January where he said something along the lines of he wanted to come here in the summer but had no choice because of the deal with Villa. The implication was definitely that he was obliged to go back there rather than chose to. I was surprised as during the summer saga, it felt more like they had matching rights rather than locked in deal, but the boy McKenna definitely suggested otherwise in January. |
Interesting, would be an unusual deal if that’s the case. | | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:46 - Aug 14 with 198 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:31 - Aug 14 by positivity |
his valuation won't be affected if people believe that it's only the formation which is holding him back .
you seem to be judging clarke purely on a few games with us at prem level and broady on his games at championship and league one level in "games with space against poor opposition" |
You're hard work, I am just contextualizing the evidence we have seen for both so far and the fees associated with the Clarke deal, as wel las the position they are employed in.
I am not saying Clarke won't be a good player at times year but I have concerns in way in which his ITFC career might be heading tbh. Routing for him of course. [Post edited 14 Aug 16:47]
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:55 - Aug 14 with 161 views | NthQldITFC |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:46 - Aug 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You're hard work, I am just contextualizing the evidence we have seen for both so far and the fees associated with the Clarke deal, as wel las the position they are employed in.
I am not saying Clarke won't be a good player at times year but I have concerns in way in which his ITFC career might be heading tbh. Routing for him of course. [Post edited 14 Aug 16:47]
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What are you making for him? Chest of drawers? | |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:58 - Aug 14 with 146 views | positivity |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 16:46 - Aug 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You're hard work, I am just contextualizing the evidence we have seen for both so far and the fees associated with the Clarke deal, as wel las the position they are employed in.
I am not saying Clarke won't be a good player at times year but I have concerns in way in which his ITFC career might be heading tbh. Routing for him of course. [Post edited 14 Aug 16:47]
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it sounds more like you're routing him away from itfc!
i think his itfc career will be heading in the right direction, and if not we'll get a very healthy fee for him | |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 17:14 - Aug 14 with 103 views | Blue_Moses |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 14:48 - Aug 14 by Libero |
I shouldn't need to hold your hand on this, all the infomation is in the thread from myself and even supplemented by another poster - Broadhead played a very small amount of minutes relative to the number of games played in our promotion season and was regularly protected by staff as he physically could not play two games in a week without exacerbating an existing issue. [Post edited 14 Aug 14:49]
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You don't need to hold my hand, we wouldn't be playing an injured player. If he wasn't playing it was purely a tactical decision . | | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 18:16 - Aug 14 with 13 views | Nutkins_Return |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 14:17 - Aug 14 by itfcjoe |
A lot of our attackers rarely compelted 90 minutes due to our starters and finishers substitutions and he often played 2 games in a week
He was sometimes sub for 1 and started the other, but that was less often than him starting them both, only missed 6 games through injury the whole season |
Yep. the Broadhead injury prone thing is very frustrating. He's been available majority of time with us. Completely agree that part of our super power and what McKenna likes is to change the frontline last 30 mins and blast teams with our energy in the final stages.
Broady isn't injury prone really but I think a bit like Joe Cole back in the day you do have a drop off in his energy levels more than others so 65 mins works well with him.
Really top signing for Wrexham. Good fee for us. Very sad to see him go. | |
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