| Awful performance 16:58 - Aug 23 with 5068 views | noggin |
Possession leading to nothing. KM, now is the time to prove that you are the best young manager in the country. |  |
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| Awful performance on 22:32 - Aug 23 with 1304 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Awful performance on 22:25 - Aug 23 by pointofblue |
Of course I was. I never said it wasn't an achievement? |
"McKenna's had one outstanding season out of three. He did little more than expected in his first"
Those words suggest you don't think it was much of an achievenment.
I'll leave it there. |  |
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| Awful performance on 22:35 - Aug 23 with 1295 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Awful performance on 22:32 - Aug 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"McKenna's had one outstanding season out of three. He did little more than expected in his first"
Those words suggest you don't think it was much of an achievenment.
I'll leave it there. |
Odd flash
Ashton. Your target kieran is to get promoted
KM done it
Well done you achieved what was expected of you |  |
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| Awful performance on 22:36 - Aug 23 with 1284 views | pointofblue |
| Awful performance on 22:32 - Aug 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"McKenna's had one outstanding season out of three. He did little more than expected in his first"
Those words suggest you don't think it was much of an achievenment.
I'll leave it there. |
Every promotion is achievement. Promotion from League One wasn't anything more than that. Promotion from the Championship was over achievement. |  |
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| Awful performance on 01:43 - Aug 24 with 1173 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Awful performance on 22:19 - Aug 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We had a succession of managers who couldn't get us out of League 1. McKenna did it in his first full season, largely with the previous manager's players. This was also McKenna's first full season as a manager.
I bet you were celebrating it as an achievement at the time. |
Succession? 2? |  | | |
| Awful performance on 08:02 - Aug 24 with 1069 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Awful performance on 22:36 - Aug 23 by pointofblue |
Every promotion is achievement. Promotion from League One wasn't anything more than that. Promotion from the Championship was over achievement. |
You said "little more than expected". That, frankly, is an insult to a wonderful season. | |
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| Awful performance on 08:08 - Aug 24 with 1033 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I was forgetting Hurst was in the Champ, but I've deliberately forgotten a lot of his 'reign'.
But anyway, two still counts as a succession - "Noun. The coming of one person or thing after another in order, sequence, or in the course of events."
Lambert and Cook were successful, experienced managers, and they didn't remotely get close to getting us up. So yes, for McKenna to do it in his first full season as a manager, and with a record-breaking swagger, was a superb achievement. And everypne celebrated it as such at the time. I don't remember people saying it was "little more than expected" at the time. People are rewriting history to fit with how they're feeling now. | |
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| Awful performance on 08:17 - Aug 24 with 1003 views | Bramidan |
| Awful performance on 08:08 - Aug 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I was forgetting Hurst was in the Champ, but I've deliberately forgotten a lot of his 'reign'.
But anyway, two still counts as a succession - "Noun. The coming of one person or thing after another in order, sequence, or in the course of events."
Lambert and Cook were successful, experienced managers, and they didn't remotely get close to getting us up. So yes, for McKenna to do it in his first full season as a manager, and with a record-breaking swagger, was a superb achievement. And everypne celebrated it as such at the time. I don't remember people saying it was "little more than expected" at the time. People are rewriting history to fit with how they're feeling now. |
For myself I just want my team to show some attacking intent. Passing it around in your own half is not going to win games. Possession stats don’t win games, Nottingham Forest did extremely well last season.
They used the ball ruthlessly when they had it.
We struggle against teams who sit back, we don’t frighten them because we don’t look fully committed in attack. We don’t cause panic in their defensive areas. | | | |
| Awful performance on 08:25 - Aug 24 with 967 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Awful performance on 08:02 - Aug 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You said "little more than expected". That, frankly, is an insult to a wonderful season. |
Flash we spent more in the Jan window that season than most did in the whole year.
It was a great season as a fan. But it was minimum requirement based on what we spent and even at that we finished 2nd | |
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| Awful performance on 08:43 - Aug 24 with 938 views | OldFart71 |
What amazes me is that some time ago when we weren't in the best of form under KM and I said then that a manager really only proves himself when things aren't going great and I got slagged off with loads of down votes. Now people on here are querying KM even to the extent that he should be replaced and hey presto, up votes.
The last two seasons have in many ways proven that you cannot change a large swathe of a team and remain consistent.
Many of these players are new to each other. Even players like Ogbene and Philogene due to injuries haven't played a handful of games for us.
The problem will arise that if we go too many games and don't get the necessary results that we end up too far adrift and whilst we have seen we can go on a run it doesn't always follow that if you have done it in the past it will happen again. | | | |
| Awful performance on 08:43 - Aug 24 with 938 views | tractor_lady |
| Awful performance on 17:02 - Aug 23 by boysof1981 |
The team doesn’t look like a team at the moment. Just a group of players with no idea of what’s going on, and that is all on KM. |
I am not sure its all on KM i have a feeling he very much wanted to keep certain players Morsy being one if them, but the decision and the negotiation for new players ultimately doesn’t sit with him. That said he has a job to do with the perfectly adequate squad he is left with and currently he isnt doing a good enough job and that is down to him.. | | | |
| Awful performance on 11:16 - Aug 24 with 850 views | roblenton |
| Awful performance on 17:05 - Aug 23 by LeoMuff |
Might be controversial but I thought we were ok, 99 out of 100 we don’t lose, and the majority we win. In complete control just lack cutting edge, I don’t think Taylor works - not creative enough, Clarke not looking himself at all, and Szmodics I’m not sure where he fits in.
But we looked so much better than Birmingham away. |
I agree. I thought we played well but just a bit of creativity in the middle, touch in the box and finishing was missing | | | |
| Awful performance on 11:18 - Aug 24 with 842 views | pointofblue |
| Awful performance on 08:08 - Aug 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I was forgetting Hurst was in the Champ, but I've deliberately forgotten a lot of his 'reign'.
But anyway, two still counts as a succession - "Noun. The coming of one person or thing after another in order, sequence, or in the course of events."
Lambert and Cook were successful, experienced managers, and they didn't remotely get close to getting us up. So yes, for McKenna to do it in his first full season as a manager, and with a record-breaking swagger, was a superb achievement. And everypne celebrated it as such at the time. I don't remember people saying it was "little more than expected" at the time. People are rewriting history to fit with how they're feeling now. |
It was a superb achievement. I'm just saying it wasn't an OVER achievement. If you think it was, which other team should have won promotion that season instead of us? | |
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| Awful performance on 11:34 - Aug 24 with 828 views | algy |
| Awful performance on 11:18 - Aug 24 by pointofblue |
It was a superb achievement. I'm just saying it wasn't an OVER achievement. If you think it was, which other team should have won promotion that season instead of us? |
That L1 season, the basket case of a club Sheffield Wednesday finished just 2 points behind us. That's how poor that division was. Out promotion with the help of gamechanger money was an expected achievement. Nothing more.
The next year was a massive over achievement though and KMc deserves credit for that | |
| Veni Vidi Participatur. Now we can get back to competing. |
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| Awful performance on 12:44 - Aug 24 with 778 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Awful performance on 11:18 - Aug 24 by pointofblue |
It was a superb achievement. I'm just saying it wasn't an OVER achievement. If you think it was, which other team should have won promotion that season instead of us? |
You keep moving the goalposts every time you post! No-one said it was an OVER achievement. You dismissed it as "little more than expected", which is what I took umbrage to. Stop building straw men! | |
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| Awful performance on 13:03 - Aug 24 with 744 views | azuremerlangus |
Agree - it is the time for KMc to start earning his corn.
However, he has also earned the right to expect our patience given the churn in personnel. |  |
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| Awful performance on 14:04 - Aug 24 with 693 views | mellowblue |
| Awful performance on 22:35 - Aug 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Odd flash
Ashton. Your target kieran is to get promoted
KM done it
Well done you achieved what was expected of you |
Odd come back. You never set targets that are expected to be achieved. Otherwise it is not ambitious and encourages complacence. Bad business practice.
Personally after the bomb squad with Cook and nothing was gelling on the pitch, I consider the promotion 16 months after taking the job a good achievement and at the time it was far from expected. Hoped for but not expected. | | | |
| Awful performance on 14:08 - Aug 24 with 684 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Awful performance on 17:01 - Aug 23 by pointofblue |
McKenna's had one outstanding season out of three. He did little more than expected in his first and last season was probably even worse than could be expected. Now he's under pressure. Hopefully it's not a case of the emperor's new clothes. |
Don't forget that "little more than expected" was a lot more than experienced managers like Lambert and Cook were able to do.
He is in a different situation of managing a team low on confidence that hasn't won a game for a long time. If he can get us playing like he did before we will be fine but he does need to change some things mentally about our team. |  |
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| Awful performance on 14:15 - Aug 24 with 660 views | pointofblue |
| Awful performance on 14:08 - Aug 24 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Don't forget that "little more than expected" was a lot more than experienced managers like Lambert and Cook were able to do.
He is in a different situation of managing a team low on confidence that hasn't won a game for a long time. If he can get us playing like he did before we will be fine but he does need to change some things mentally about our team. |
Lambert and Cook under achieved, particularly the latter. Though I can see similarities between our start under Cook after a full rebuild and this season.
We have gone through periods before under McKenna where we've struggled to click going forwards, then it suddenly comes together. But that was with players who knew their roles and worked in the system. Hopefully something similar happens this season, and soon. | |
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| Awful performance on 19:36 - Aug 24 with 570 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Awful performance on 14:08 - Aug 24 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Don't forget that "little more than expected" was a lot more than experienced managers like Lambert and Cook were able to do.
He is in a different situation of managing a team low on confidence that hasn't won a game for a long time. If he can get us playing like he did before we will be fine but he does need to change some things mentally about our team. |
Lambert never had the sort of funds or squad KM had. Doesn't change the fack he was sht mind you but cant compare the two as lambert had a sht show behind him compared to the project and the management behind KM.
Cook didn't get to add to the squad he put together. Again doesn't change the fact he was sht either but he started the project. KM took his players then spent millions more on it.
The squad KM had at league 1 level was ridiculous let alone even more so with the Jan additions.
I see someone else mention it.. we are kinda at KMs own version of paul cooks first summer.... | |
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| Awful performance on 19:43 - Aug 24 with 549 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Awful performance on 19:36 - Aug 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Lambert never had the sort of funds or squad KM had. Doesn't change the fack he was sht mind you but cant compare the two as lambert had a sht show behind him compared to the project and the management behind KM.
Cook didn't get to add to the squad he put together. Again doesn't change the fact he was sht either but he started the project. KM took his players then spent millions more on it.
The squad KM had at league 1 level was ridiculous let alone even more so with the Jan additions.
I see someone else mention it.. we are kinda at KMs own version of paul cooks first summer.... |
Come off it, McKenna got us up largely with the team he inheritted from Cook.
McKenna got a tune out of them very quickly... and we ended up playing lovely football and breaking records to boot.
I've no idea why people feel the need to diminish his achievements now, but it's very unbecoming and I don't remember any of you doing so at the time. | |
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| Awful performance on 19:48 - Aug 24 with 528 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Awful performance on 19:43 - Aug 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Come off it, McKenna got us up largely with the team he inheritted from Cook.
McKenna got a tune out of them very quickly... and we ended up playing lovely football and breaking records to boot.
I've no idea why people feel the need to diminish his achievements now, but it's very unbecoming and I don't remember any of you doing so at the time. |
It's not diminishing his achievements. It's just not seeing league 1 promotion as something that was anything more than expected with the squad he took on and what he spent adding to it.
What he did in the champ was ridiculous and very much not expected or even close to expectation that will always be remembered as an unreal season.
I've always said league 1 was expected. Championship was not. That's not new from me.
What I'm now looking for is KM to show he can build a team. He took on and got promotions with many of the previous managers players.. now to prove not just to town fans but to his future employers really that he knows how to build a squad..
It's both exciting and nerving at the same time [Post edited 24 Aug 19:51]
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| Awful performance on 20:54 - Aug 24 with 462 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Awful performance on 18:05 - Aug 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've seen a few people re-writing the achievement of promotion from League 1. It's out of order, and you're normally a fairly decent poster POB. |
'and you're normally a fairly decent poster POB.'
So he posts an opinion you disagree with and he's now not a decent poster? Wow. |  | | |
| Awful performance on 20:57 - Aug 24 with 458 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Awful performance on 19:43 - Aug 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Come off it, McKenna got us up largely with the team he inheritted from Cook.
McKenna got a tune out of them very quickly... and we ended up playing lovely football and breaking records to boot.
I've no idea why people feel the need to diminish his achievements now, but it's very unbecoming and I don't remember any of you doing so at the time. |
To be fair, Frimmers was one of the very few who did downplay it at the time. | |
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| Awful performance on 21:17 - Aug 24 with 412 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Awful performance on 20:54 - Aug 24 by FromReuserWithLove |
'and you're normally a fairly decent poster POB.'
So he posts an opinion you disagree with and he's now not a decent poster? Wow. |
No. Try reading it again. | |
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| Awful performance on 22:21 - Aug 24 with 342 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Awful performance on 19:43 - Aug 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Come off it, McKenna got us up largely with the team he inheritted from Cook.
McKenna got a tune out of them very quickly... and we ended up playing lovely football and breaking records to boot.
I've no idea why people feel the need to diminish his achievements now, but it's very unbecoming and I don't remember any of you doing so at the time. |
Without that jan window. KM wouldn't have got us out of league 1. That's obviously what the window is for. But let's not pretend he got paul cooks squad promoted without spending millions more to achieve it. Broady. Davis. Loungo. Clarke. All massive contributors to that promotion push after a testing winter period.
BTW it doesn't matter of course. But just a reason why I see it as that. [Post edited 24 Aug 22:30]
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