| £40m off the bench 10:05 - Aug 24 with 2433 views | suffolkpoker |
Interesting comment from Preston’s manager. How did he get to £40m in player purchases from
Our subs?
I know people like to put a positive spin on things.. |  |
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| £40m off the bench on 10:09 - Aug 24 with 2053 views | pointofblue |
I suppose if you add the potential fees for Kipre, Cajuste and Akpom on top of Ogbene and McAteer we might be getting close to it. |  |
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| £40m off the bench on 10:10 - Aug 24 with 2035 views | suffolkpoker |
| £40m off the bench on 10:09 - Aug 24 by pointofblue |
I suppose if you add the potential fees for Kipre, Cajuste and Akpom on top of Ogbene and McAteer we might be getting close to it. |
Potential fees surely cant come into it. I guess with Jens I think Napoli paid £10m which I didn’t think about | |
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| £40m off the bench on 10:21 - Aug 24 with 1902 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| £40m off the bench on 10:10 - Aug 24 by suffolkpoker |
Potential fees surely cant come into it. I guess with Jens I think Napoli paid £10m which I didn’t think about |
Why? That’s their value so don’t pretend otherwise. That performance was a limp handshake. |  | | |
| £40m off the bench on 10:26 - Aug 24 with 1856 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
We spent all of last season pointing out our opponents had X bazillion pounds worth of talent on the bench, we'll have to accept that the shoe is on the other foot this season. | | | |
| £40m off the bench on 10:31 - Aug 24 with 1802 views | darkhorse28 |
Who cares what he thinks.
The broader point. We spent £170 million and a champions league contract to KM to find out a very inexperienced manager. Is very short in some areas.
That’s not his fault. That’s 100% Mark Ashton.
And the consequences.
Selling lots of players, to help a club sale, and still a very expensive squad, who in terms of team dynamic will never get even close to 23/24.
Our coach still thinks every problem in the world is solved on the training pitch, that’s his bubble.
It’s NOT.., all elite clubs success are built off the field in strategy, vision, recruitment OFF and on the pitch and understanding what their own failures are.
£170 million and counting, to be worse then a team costing £10 million or less that had players who’s profiles were a perfect fit.
We didn’t know why we were succesful.., and that was the seeds of our long term failure.
And that’s literally what we pay Ashton for.., to understand that, or have people around him that do.
He was always ‘pretty good’ but a light year away from elite .., even at top end EFL standards.
When a Plymouth side with a third our budget, that aged extremely badly (as a form guide) achieved more than us, it was a clue.
We needed better support around McKenna.., then Ashton started believing the media hype, and couldn’t see the wood from the trees.
New owners will bring new directions.., and with it new hope.., we go again.
McKenna - not sure, but he needs the right people around him, and that probably is another club right now.
We need a more complete manger shirt term, and work HARD to build the structure where a talented young coach can thrive. | | | |
| £40m off the bench on 10:45 - Aug 24 with 1683 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £40m off the bench on 10:31 - Aug 24 by darkhorse28 |
Who cares what he thinks.
The broader point. We spent £170 million and a champions league contract to KM to find out a very inexperienced manager. Is very short in some areas.
That’s not his fault. That’s 100% Mark Ashton.
And the consequences.
Selling lots of players, to help a club sale, and still a very expensive squad, who in terms of team dynamic will never get even close to 23/24.
Our coach still thinks every problem in the world is solved on the training pitch, that’s his bubble.
It’s NOT.., all elite clubs success are built off the field in strategy, vision, recruitment OFF and on the pitch and understanding what their own failures are.
£170 million and counting, to be worse then a team costing £10 million or less that had players who’s profiles were a perfect fit.
We didn’t know why we were succesful.., and that was the seeds of our long term failure.
And that’s literally what we pay Ashton for.., to understand that, or have people around him that do.
He was always ‘pretty good’ but a light year away from elite .., even at top end EFL standards.
When a Plymouth side with a third our budget, that aged extremely badly (as a form guide) achieved more than us, it was a clue.
We needed better support around McKenna.., then Ashton started believing the media hype, and couldn’t see the wood from the trees.
New owners will bring new directions.., and with it new hope.., we go again.
McKenna - not sure, but he needs the right people around him, and that probably is another club right now.
We need a more complete manger shirt term, and work HARD to build the structure where a talented young coach can thrive. |
Not sure why this got so many down votes. |  |
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| £40m off the bench on 10:46 - Aug 24 with 1676 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
We are a parachute team with a budget most teams can only dream of.
Accept it. | |
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| £40m off the bench on 10:48 - Aug 24 with 1636 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £40m off the bench on 10:21 - Aug 24 by FromReuserWithLove |
Why? That’s their value so don’t pretend otherwise. That performance was a limp handshake. |
This. | |
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| £40m off the bench on 10:49 - Aug 24 with 1626 views | TrumptonBlue |
The quote on the BBC report has it as "£14m". |  | | |
| £40m off the bench on 10:54 - Aug 24 with 1526 views | HighgateBlue |
| £40m off the bench on 10:31 - Aug 24 by darkhorse28 |
Who cares what he thinks.
The broader point. We spent £170 million and a champions league contract to KM to find out a very inexperienced manager. Is very short in some areas.
That’s not his fault. That’s 100% Mark Ashton.
And the consequences.
Selling lots of players, to help a club sale, and still a very expensive squad, who in terms of team dynamic will never get even close to 23/24.
Our coach still thinks every problem in the world is solved on the training pitch, that’s his bubble.
It’s NOT.., all elite clubs success are built off the field in strategy, vision, recruitment OFF and on the pitch and understanding what their own failures are.
£170 million and counting, to be worse then a team costing £10 million or less that had players who’s profiles were a perfect fit.
We didn’t know why we were succesful.., and that was the seeds of our long term failure.
And that’s literally what we pay Ashton for.., to understand that, or have people around him that do.
He was always ‘pretty good’ but a light year away from elite .., even at top end EFL standards.
When a Plymouth side with a third our budget, that aged extremely badly (as a form guide) achieved more than us, it was a clue.
We needed better support around McKenna.., then Ashton started believing the media hype, and couldn’t see the wood from the trees.
New owners will bring new directions.., and with it new hope.., we go again.
McKenna - not sure, but he needs the right people around him, and that probably is another club right now.
We need a more complete manger shirt term, and work HARD to build the structure where a talented young coach can thrive. |
The Plymouth point is a perfectly good one.
McKenna has overachieved in ONE season.
First season: biggest budget, came second
Second season: unbelievable. i'm sure we'll all be grateful for ever
Third season: absolute calamity, fewer points than Luton's effort in the Prem
Fourth season: four games in, absolute shower, and even according to McKenna we need to build a whole new team.
I would love to know if anyone genuinely thinks that he's overachieved in more than one of his seasons, and if not, how is he still untouchable? |  | | |
| £40m off the bench on 11:08 - Aug 24 with 1434 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £40m off the bench on 10:54 - Aug 24 by HighgateBlue |
The Plymouth point is a perfectly good one.
McKenna has overachieved in ONE season.
First season: biggest budget, came second
Second season: unbelievable. i'm sure we'll all be grateful for ever
Third season: absolute calamity, fewer points than Luton's effort in the Prem
Fourth season: four games in, absolute shower, and even according to McKenna we need to build a whole new team.
I would love to know if anyone genuinely thinks that he's overachieved in more than one of his seasons, and if not, how is he still untouchable? |
Accurate. | |
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| £40m off the bench on 11:12 - Aug 24 with 1401 views | OsmansCleanSheet |
| £40m off the bench on 10:31 - Aug 24 by darkhorse28 |
Who cares what he thinks.
The broader point. We spent £170 million and a champions league contract to KM to find out a very inexperienced manager. Is very short in some areas.
That’s not his fault. That’s 100% Mark Ashton.
And the consequences.
Selling lots of players, to help a club sale, and still a very expensive squad, who in terms of team dynamic will never get even close to 23/24.
Our coach still thinks every problem in the world is solved on the training pitch, that’s his bubble.
It’s NOT.., all elite clubs success are built off the field in strategy, vision, recruitment OFF and on the pitch and understanding what their own failures are.
£170 million and counting, to be worse then a team costing £10 million or less that had players who’s profiles were a perfect fit.
We didn’t know why we were succesful.., and that was the seeds of our long term failure.
And that’s literally what we pay Ashton for.., to understand that, or have people around him that do.
He was always ‘pretty good’ but a light year away from elite .., even at top end EFL standards.
When a Plymouth side with a third our budget, that aged extremely badly (as a form guide) achieved more than us, it was a clue.
We needed better support around McKenna.., then Ashton started believing the media hype, and couldn’t see the wood from the trees.
New owners will bring new directions.., and with it new hope.., we go again.
McKenna - not sure, but he needs the right people around him, and that probably is another club right now.
We need a more complete manger shirt term, and work HARD to build the structure where a talented young coach can thrive. |
You keep banging on about the fact that we finished 2nd to Plymouth in league 1 being some kind of massive failure because of how they performed in the following season(s). We got 98 points that season and were breaking all kinds of records in the later months in terms of points acquired, goals scored, clean sheets etc. All once KMcK had built his squad and had a bit of time to work with them. We were excellent in that part of the season. Plymouth got over 100 points and hats off to them for that. We really couldn’t have done much more. But because Plymouth struggled in the Championship the following season, they must’ve been somehow rubbish the season before?!?! And instead of celebrating our somewhat incredible promotion to the Premier League, we instead should’ve been looking at where Plymouth finished and picking up clues from that as to how bad a manager KMck actually is for finishing behind them the previous season?!?!
Complete and utter nonsense. |  | | |
| £40m off the bench on 11:14 - Aug 24 with 1388 views | OsmansCleanSheet |
| £40m off the bench on 10:54 - Aug 24 by HighgateBlue |
The Plymouth point is a perfectly good one.
McKenna has overachieved in ONE season.
First season: biggest budget, came second
Second season: unbelievable. i'm sure we'll all be grateful for ever
Third season: absolute calamity, fewer points than Luton's effort in the Prem
Fourth season: four games in, absolute shower, and even according to McKenna we need to build a whole new team.
I would love to know if anyone genuinely thinks that he's overachieved in more than one of his seasons, and if not, how is he still untouchable? |
The Plymouth point is nonsense. | | | |
| £40m off the bench on 11:14 - Aug 24 with 1379 views | pointofblue |
| £40m off the bench on 10:49 - Aug 24 by TrumptonBlue |
The quote on the BBC report has it as "£14m". |
In that case, he's probably underselling it slightly. | |
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| £40m off the bench on 11:19 - Aug 24 with 1346 views | Bluecasp |
He probably would have been better comparing the relative salaries of the 2 managers. | | | |
| £40m off the bench on 11:19 - Aug 24 with 1332 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £40m off the bench on 11:14 - Aug 24 by OsmansCleanSheet |
The Plymouth point is nonsense. |
Its not. Its context.
The League 1 promotion season wasn't an over achievement in any way, but the Championship promotion was. | |
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| £40m off the bench on 11:21 - Aug 24 with 1303 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £40m off the bench on 11:12 - Aug 24 by OsmansCleanSheet |
You keep banging on about the fact that we finished 2nd to Plymouth in league 1 being some kind of massive failure because of how they performed in the following season(s). We got 98 points that season and were breaking all kinds of records in the later months in terms of points acquired, goals scored, clean sheets etc. All once KMcK had built his squad and had a bit of time to work with them. We were excellent in that part of the season. Plymouth got over 100 points and hats off to them for that. We really couldn’t have done much more. But because Plymouth struggled in the Championship the following season, they must’ve been somehow rubbish the season before?!?! And instead of celebrating our somewhat incredible promotion to the Premier League, we instead should’ve been looking at where Plymouth finished and picking up clues from that as to how bad a manager KMck actually is for finishing behind them the previous season?!?!
Complete and utter nonsense. |
Hes not saying that, hes just giving context.
Our transfer spend was pretty much that same as the total the other 23 teams spent put together.
It was a good season, but in line with expectations. | |
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| £40m off the bench on 11:24 - Aug 24 with 1275 views | OsmansCleanSheet |
| £40m off the bench on 11:19 - Aug 24 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Its not. Its context.
The League 1 promotion season wasn't an over achievement in any way, but the Championship promotion was. |
Not an over achievement, no. But an achievement nonetheless. To say (because of things that have happened since) that it was somehow less impressive because we finished behind a team that got over 100 points is nonsensical. | | | |
| £40m off the bench on 11:30 - Aug 24 with 1225 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £40m off the bench on 11:24 - Aug 24 by OsmansCleanSheet |
Not an over achievement, no. But an achievement nonetheless. To say (because of things that have happened since) that it was somehow less impressive because we finished behind a team that got over 100 points is nonsensical. |
He was just giving some context. It was more about the fact that the Plymouth team we finished 2nd behind 'wasnt all that'.
Dont worry about it. | |
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| £40m off the bench on 11:44 - Aug 24 with 1154 views | OsmansCleanSheet |
| £40m off the bench on 11:30 - Aug 24 by Marshalls_Mullet |
He was just giving some context. It was more about the fact that the Plymouth team we finished 2nd behind 'wasnt all that'.
Dont worry about it. |
The context that a team that earned over 100 points ‘wasn’t all that.’ Gotcha. | | | |
| £40m off the bench on 11:46 - Aug 24 with 1129 views | PhilTWTD |
| £40m off the bench on 10:49 - Aug 24 by TrumptonBlue |
The quote on the BBC report has it as "£14m". |
Just listened back and sounds like £40 million to me. Oddly specific number £14m and I don't think we've paid that for anyone. |  | | |
| £40m off the bench on 11:48 - Aug 24 with 1096 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £40m off the bench on 11:44 - Aug 24 by OsmansCleanSheet |
The context that a team that earned over 100 points ‘wasn’t all that.’ Gotcha. |
So it proved, yes.
You got there in the end. | |
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| £40m off the bench on 11:49 - Aug 24 with 1092 views | oldbeardy |
| £40m off the bench on 11:30 - Aug 24 by Marshalls_Mullet |
He was just giving some context. It was more about the fact that the Plymouth team we finished 2nd behind 'wasnt all that'.
Dont worry about it. |
The bigger point is that after a reasonable start last year in terms of performances we got steadily worse instead of better, and that trend has continued. We're still going in the wrong direction. Of course it's all a lot better than the nadir a few years ago but that's beside the point - we should be pushing on, not going backwards. | | | |
| £40m off the bench on 11:49 - Aug 24 with 1092 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| £40m off the bench on 11:46 - Aug 24 by PhilTWTD |
Just listened back and sounds like £40 million to me. Oddly specific number £14m and I don't think we've paid that for anyone. |
I think its a perfectly fair comment from their manager. | |
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| £40m off the bench on 11:57 - Aug 24 with 1014 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I doubt he's sat down and worked it out, it's probably a rough guess he's plucked out of the air. I think it's fair to say we spent a lot of money on our subs. £12m on McAteer alone is not far off a third of the Preston manager's figure. |  |
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