| WBA 21/22 10:59 - Sep 9 with 4676 views | darkhorse28 |
They finished 10th in the championship that year, what is the problem we’re trying to solve, by signing Button, Palmer, Furlong, O’Shea, Townsend, Kipre?
It seems a bizarre strategy. Not terrible players, just seems a terrible strategy. They don’t align with our stated mission, and objectives.
We seem to sign EFL championship team of the year players in the prem, augmented with as many WBA players from a failed Championship side (when many of them were closer to their prime).
It’s so weak strategically, lacking in any kind of elite mentality and planning. No clear vision at all.
They didn’t even achieve close to where we say we want to go as a club, and it’s mostly recent, although we took Kyle Edwards that year, and many others since, Harper etc …, not great outcomes.
It’s four and half years since Mark took over.
That’s a long time, to end up with a strategy of talent ID, geared around failed WBA sides.
Theres been a lot of time and financial resource to build a recruitment network, that can at least move towards being elite.
Time will tell.., but if we got promoted…, wouldn’t we need an entire defence, as a minimum, Greaves too has gone backwards since he signed.
It seems an odd way to become elite.
None of them have an elite ceiling. To know that when you sign players. With our resources, seems so confused. It’s the networks we have, rather than building the networks we need.
The more money we’ve had…, the more our weaknesses off the pitch have been exposed. It seems as prevalent today as at any point.
We aren’t learning from any of our mistakes.
I don’t think our senior team know why we’ve failed. The PR is so confused.
‘We failed because we’re just a little league one club on a journey’
Ok…, but we spent £150 million and none of the team have ever played in league one, ever.
‘We are failing because of high player turnover’
Ok. But YOU decided to spend £150 million last year and replace most of the squad, and then you decided to do the same again this summer. That was a choice, mostly.
Sorry. But staegjcalky. We haven’t got a clue what we are doing.
And it start with NO agency, NO accountability, NO scrutiny, and no need to own their mistakes.
Ashton can say anything at this point, and a small element of nodding dogs will parrot him.
WBA 2022/22 - a poor team…, would be much poorer now too, the league isn’t easier, and that’s our solution.
I guess the problem is…, what players are in my address book, and can be persuaded to sign.
It’s not what Brighton Bournemouth, Fulham, Wolves Brentford are doing is it.
Unless they just have a better address book. |  | | |  |
| WBA 21/22 on 17:39 - Sep 9 with 1131 views | nrb1985 |
| WBA 21/22 on 17:35 - Sep 9 by muccletonjoe |
Well we quite clearly haven't got going yet, but this friday we are playing against a side who that phrase applies to even more than itfc.
So while I am far from happy with manager, formation, tactics or signings , I am prepared to watch this game for clear signs of improvement.
If it doesn't appear , I think it will take a totally brainwashed optimist to still be saying trust the process. |
"So while I am far from happy with manager, formation, tactics or signings , I am prepared to watch this game for clear signs of improvement£
Phew, that's a weight off my mind. And Ashton's too I'm sure. | | | |
| WBA 21/22 on 18:51 - Sep 9 with 1038 views | BouncebackIpswich |
Usually your stuff is hysterical glass empty and smashed nonsense, but I'll agree with you here, there is no clear strategy it's making up the plan as you go along and when all's said and done it's going to look like a money was pissed up the wall because the club was unprepared for a meteric rose.
Got to hope that the money spent improving the clubs infrasctrure, facilities and networks is where the real progress will be made to have a crack at establishing Town as a PL club in the next few years. |  | | |
| WBA 21/22 on 19:24 - Sep 9 with 1007 views | TheBoyBlue |
Yes, Ashton and McKenna have failed here. The last four years have been an utter shambles. | |
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| WBA 21/22 on 19:28 - Sep 9 with 1004 views | vilanovablue |
Same players that gave us a lesson in our promotion season. |  | | |
| WBA 21/22 on 19:41 - Sep 9 with 965 views | Radlett_blue |
| WBA 21/22 on 17:35 - Sep 9 by muccletonjoe |
Well we quite clearly haven't got going yet, but this friday we are playing against a side who that phrase applies to even more than itfc.
So while I am far from happy with manager, formation, tactics or signings , I am prepared to watch this game for clear signs of improvement.
If it doesn't appear , I think it will take a totally brainwashed optimist to still be saying trust the process. |
Hmm...the same applied before the home game with struggling Derby & it took a late penalty for us to draw. |  |
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| WBA 21/22 on 20:13 - Sep 9 with 931 views | waveneyblue |
| WBA 21/22 on 17:35 - Sep 9 by muccletonjoe |
Well we quite clearly haven't got going yet, but this friday we are playing against a side who that phrase applies to even more than itfc.
So while I am far from happy with manager, formation, tactics or signings , I am prepared to watch this game for clear signs of improvement.
If it doesn't appear , I think it will take a totally brainwashed optimist to still be saying trust the process. |
Thats big of you, being prepared to watch your team play.
Im sure the club will send you a voucher or something to thank you for your support. |  | | |
| WBA 21/22 on 23:09 - Sep 9 with 801 views | pointofblue |
I think the big issue is the emotional connection has been lost between the players and fans. Broadhead, Burgess, Chaplin, Luongo, Morsy, at a stretch Woolfenden - the bulk of the double promotion squad gone due to big money signings joining last year and flattering to deceive. I do think that's why McKenna wanted to keep the majority around - to keep that link to 22/23 and 23/24, that bond which now almost has to be built from scratch, with just Davis and Hirst remaining as starters.
I thought the atmosphere was starting to turn against Portman Road against Derby. The penalty could be a turning point. But patience will be much thinner if the highly paid arrivals cannot at least match the success of the group who went before. | |
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| WBA 21/22 on 23:19 - Sep 9 with 790 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| WBA 21/22 on 23:09 - Sep 9 by pointofblue |
I think the big issue is the emotional connection has been lost between the players and fans. Broadhead, Burgess, Chaplin, Luongo, Morsy, at a stretch Woolfenden - the bulk of the double promotion squad gone due to big money signings joining last year and flattering to deceive. I do think that's why McKenna wanted to keep the majority around - to keep that link to 22/23 and 23/24, that bond which now almost has to be built from scratch, with just Davis and Hirst remaining as starters.
I thought the atmosphere was starting to turn against Portman Road against Derby. The penalty could be a turning point. But patience will be much thinner if the highly paid arrivals cannot at least match the success of the group who went before. |
And when are people going to realise that this “emotional connection” was nothing more than the effect of the euphoria created from winning most weeks. Then, surprise surprise, when we have a period of rarely winning, the euphoria evaporates, and with it any emotional connection.
If this squad goes on to win the majority of the remaining games, and we gain promotion, all of a sudden this ethereal emotional connection will once again re-emerge.
To be honest, it’s all really rather shallow. | | | |
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| WBA 21/22 on 09:01 - Sep 10 with 539 views | Radlett_blue |
| WBA 21/22 on 23:19 - Sep 9 by SuffolkPunchFC |
And when are people going to realise that this “emotional connection” was nothing more than the effect of the euphoria created from winning most weeks. Then, surprise surprise, when we have a period of rarely winning, the euphoria evaporates, and with it any emotional connection.
If this squad goes on to win the majority of the remaining games, and we gain promotion, all of a sudden this ethereal emotional connection will once again re-emerge.
To be honest, it’s all really rather shallow. |
Indeed. Does "team spirit" help create a run of form, or is it actually the run of form which is the crucial ingredient & everything else follows from that? [Post edited 10 Sep 9:01]
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| WBA 21/22 on 12:29 - Sep 10 with 385 views | dirtyboy |
| WBA 21/22 on 18:51 - Sep 9 by BouncebackIpswich |
Usually your stuff is hysterical glass empty and smashed nonsense, but I'll agree with you here, there is no clear strategy it's making up the plan as you go along and when all's said and done it's going to look like a money was pissed up the wall because the club was unprepared for a meteric rose.
Got to hope that the money spent improving the clubs infrasctrure, facilities and networks is where the real progress will be made to have a crack at establishing Town as a PL club in the next few years. |
You say no clear strategy, but how do we know that?
I agree that whatever we did, didn't work out particularly brilliantly, but to say there was no strategy, is prety disingenous to what seems a pretty organised club at the moment. We wouldn't have had two promotions without some degree of a plan.
The strategy of "young hungry champ" players or however you want to dress it hasn't been stellar, but it was a strategy.
Key thing here is to learn from it, adapt and go again. |  | | |
| WBA 21/22 on 12:43 - Sep 10 with 374 views | Everydayblue |
| WBA 21/22 on 12:29 - Sep 10 by dirtyboy |
You say no clear strategy, but how do we know that?
I agree that whatever we did, didn't work out particularly brilliantly, but to say there was no strategy, is prety disingenous to what seems a pretty organised club at the moment. We wouldn't have had two promotions without some degree of a plan.
The strategy of "young hungry champ" players or however you want to dress it hasn't been stellar, but it was a strategy.
Key thing here is to learn from it, adapt and go again. |
Exactly this.... | | | |
| WBA 21/22 on 13:25 - Sep 10 with 323 views | pointofblue |
| WBA 21/22 on 23:19 - Sep 9 by SuffolkPunchFC |
And when are people going to realise that this “emotional connection” was nothing more than the effect of the euphoria created from winning most weeks. Then, surprise surprise, when we have a period of rarely winning, the euphoria evaporates, and with it any emotional connection.
If this squad goes on to win the majority of the remaining games, and we gain promotion, all of a sudden this ethereal emotional connection will once again re-emerge.
To be honest, it’s all really rather shallow. |
I don't think the emotional connection would have been lost if the double promotion team had been given a chance at top level, because they would have forever been remembered for what they did.
The fans would have no doubt blamed McKenna and Ashton for not strengthening though! | |
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| WBA 21/22 on 13:43 - Sep 10 with 298 views | jayessess |
None of Button, Townsend, Kipre or Furlong make our strongest eleven. What sort of pedigree should a Championship club be expecting for their squad players? |  |
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| WBA 21/22 on 15:38 - Sep 10 with 191 views | Radlett_blue |
| WBA 21/22 on 13:25 - Sep 10 by pointofblue |
I don't think the emotional connection would have been lost if the double promotion team had been given a chance at top level, because they would have forever been remembered for what they did.
The fans would have no doubt blamed McKenna and Ashton for not strengthening though! |
The idea that Town would have done better last season by simply sticking with the team who got us promoted because the togetherness & team spirit would have helped us so much is perverse.
2 of the players we bought have been sold to PL clubs for substantial fees.
The jury is still out as to how many of the rash of 2024 signings were better than what we had. | |
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| WBA 21/22 on 17:46 - Sep 10 with 69 views | DavoIPB |
| WBA 21/22 on 11:21 - Sep 9 by darkhorse28 |
How about the finishing places of their entire careers? One of the players is 36, two others are 30.
Tell me when any of them ever looked like the quality to establish themselves in the premier league? …, at the level it is today.
It’s light years ahead of when they proved they weren’t good enough.
Is it a group that can compete with our legacy defence?
Leif Butgess Wolf Tuenzabe
Townsend O’Shea Kipre Furlong - you don’t have to have Button in goal.
Not a lot in it is there…, two good EFL groups, not a single player that isn’t at or past his peak. Not one…, and nowhere near playing at the level above. Wolf probably at his age and OShea are the only ones who might improve.
We did spend £200 million on improving this squad.
We haven’t improved the defence at all have we…, that hasn’t moved us 1% forwards in my opinion. |
Legacy defence? What, what did I just read. Tuanzebe prem level defender others not. Our defence in championship last time was really poor, we gave away the most goals of any team to finish in the automatic promotion slots. Our current centre back pairing has way better stats. Watch some of the goals we conceded in the championship last time, they were truly awful. We had to upgrade our defence and we have done that (apart from tuanzebe).
Everybody giving Grieves a hard time but his stats show he is a much better ball carrier and has better crosses than wolf and burgess. O'Shea has a better long pass accuracy than wolf as well. | | | |
| WBA 21/22 on 18:01 - Sep 10 with 61 views | Radlett_blue |
| WBA 21/22 on 17:46 - Sep 10 by DavoIPB |
Legacy defence? What, what did I just read. Tuanzebe prem level defender others not. Our defence in championship last time was really poor, we gave away the most goals of any team to finish in the automatic promotion slots. Our current centre back pairing has way better stats. Watch some of the goals we conceded in the championship last time, they were truly awful. We had to upgrade our defence and we have done that (apart from tuanzebe).
Everybody giving Grieves a hard time but his stats show he is a much better ball carrier and has better crosses than wolf and burgess. O'Shea has a better long pass accuracy than wolf as well. |
All the action Tuanzebe has seen so far this season is 45 minutes from the bench in a League Cup game. He hasn't even made the bench in a PL game for Burnley so he is at best a squad filler. | |
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