| 2 children drowned in the Channel today 16:08 - Sep 10 with 3882 views | noggin |
I bet they were fighting aged men in disguise. Stop the boats!, innocent people are perishing, while privileged white people fly flags as a show of hatred against them. |  |
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| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 19:58 - Sep 10 with 425 views | djgooder |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 19:55 - Sep 10 by reusersfreekicks |
Where is your evidence for your slander of those arriving in boats?
Bet your wife wishes she would be prevented from returning with her bigoted bloke |
Crikey, very pleasant.
Bigoted? All I’m suggesting is people pass security checks. That isn’t bigoted, it is sensible. |  | | |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 19:59 - Sep 10 with 429 views | blueasfook |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 19:55 - Sep 10 by reusersfreekicks |
Where is your evidence for your slander of those arriving in boats?
Bet your wife wishes she would be prevented from returning with her bigoted bloke |
Im tempted to report this for abuse. Absolutely bang out of order thing to say to someone. All you seem to do on here is pick fights and make nasty comments to people you dont agree with. |  |
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| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:04 - Sep 10 with 395 views | djgooder |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 19:59 - Sep 10 by blueasfook |
Im tempted to report this for abuse. Absolutely bang out of order thing to say to someone. All you seem to do on here is pick fights and make nasty comments to people you dont agree with. |
Thanks. I’m not overly concerned.
It is a debate, and a very polarised subject. And it’s also probable I put my arguments across poorly. I however believe we should let people in that genuinely need support, determining who they are is the hard part. I certainly don’t believe in open borders and letting people in unchecked.
Like i say, a polarised debate. | | | |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:06 - Sep 10 with 382 views | blueasfook |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:04 - Sep 10 by djgooder |
Thanks. I’m not overly concerned.
It is a debate, and a very polarised subject. And it’s also probable I put my arguments across poorly. I however believe we should let people in that genuinely need support, determining who they are is the hard part. I certainly don’t believe in open borders and letting people in unchecked.
Like i say, a polarised debate. |
This poster has form for it. Hes not capable of having a discussion without resorting to be abusive. | |
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| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:08 - Sep 10 with 359 views | vapour_trail |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 19:36 - Sep 10 by eireblue |
Strawman Farage argument.
Point out where I attacked people for being racist/bigoted/xenophopic?
The only people I have directly called racist on this forum, as an example, have been removed.
Once you have apologised for trying to imply what I may do, we might continue. |
I wouldn’t bother continuing.
There’s two of them on this thread trolling in their own distinctive styles. At least blueas has always been clear on what he is. This one has spent many years pretending it’s something else, it’s now very clear exactly what it is. |  |
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| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:19 - Sep 10 with 319 views | jayessess |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 19:39 - Sep 10 by djgooder |
I have a foreign wife, every time we go on holiday she has to have significant additional checks.
But that’s the point. Border force guards can check she is safe to enter. People on the beach at Dover can’t, they come this route because the vast majority aren’t safe or desirable to live in the UK.
How we sift through and find the ones in desperate need is impossible, but as many have said, they have travelled through many safe countries to get to this point. Makes not sense. The argument they may have family/friends here doesn’t wash. If they are desperate for safety then that’s their priority. |
What constitutes 'safety' to you?
Like I said above, if you had a family member living in a homeless encampment in a country where they didn't speak the language, would you consider them to be 'safe'?
Or might you suggest, perhaps, that it was a good idea to seek help from friends or family? [Post edited 10 Sep 20:20]
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| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:24 - Sep 10 with 300 views | eireblue |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 19:51 - Sep 10 by lowhouseblue |
not sure why it is a straw man. the effect of what you argue for would be to make immigration effectively unlimited.
i apologise if you're not one of the ones on here who routinely uses the racist / bigoted / xenophobic slurs to avoid discussing concerns about immigration - there are so many who do i just assumed you were part of that gang. since you don't i apologise. |
The assumption is there is only open borders or closed borders., is wrong.
The current refuge convention hasn’t led to open borders. Dubai doesn’t have a scheme for people from Ukraine.
It is quite feasible for counties to extend the refugee convention, to encompass other circumstances, and not lead to open borders, just as is the case today.
Just as WW2 lead to compassion by nations about humans displaced by wars, and evil dictators trying to exterminate people within their national borders, which didn’t lead to open borders, we can be equally compassionate about humans in parts of the World persistently effected by climate induced distress and hunger, i.e. in poverty. Or why not disastrous economic collapse.
The people that started the original convention, didn’t check for the majority opinion in a single country.
My views on how humans should strive to treat each other isn’t informed by a majority view of an arbitrary group of humans. |  | | |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:29 - Sep 10 with 285 views | djgooder |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:19 - Sep 10 by jayessess |
What constitutes 'safety' to you?
Like I said above, if you had a family member living in a homeless encampment in a country where they didn't speak the language, would you consider them to be 'safe'?
Or might you suggest, perhaps, that it was a good idea to seek help from friends or family? [Post edited 10 Sep 20:20]
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A very difficult question and has many options.
I have the luck of coming for a 1st world country and therefore safety means likely something very different to me than someone in a camp in France.
But, and I know you can’t answer this question, where did the people that n France come from? Let’s maybe take the example of war torn Syria a year or so back. It is safer than that. But also the countries they travelled through to get to a camp in France would have seen safer. To risk your child’s life on a channel crossing to get to family in the uk does seem a touch to far.
Of course there may be examples where they absolutely must come to the uk.
The economies of France; Germany etc are decent and standard of living likely better than ours. So why risk a channel crossing? | | | |
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| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:35 - Sep 10 with 259 views | reusersfreekicks |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 19:58 - Sep 10 by djgooder |
Crikey, very pleasant.
Bigoted? All I’m suggesting is people pass security checks. That isn’t bigoted, it is sensible. |
Apologies - shouldn't have mentioned your family, that was wrong.
I took exception to your unsubstantiated claim re the nature of the people on the boats but expressed it badly |  | | |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:38 - Sep 10 with 253 views | BlueBoots |
Posting to clarify what the current government are doing about people attempting small boat crossings:
https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2025/09/02/asylum-and-immigration-briefing-n
The UK has an obligation to accept refugees as one of the countries that signed the 1951 UN convention; by cooperating with France to accept an equal number of genuine asylum seekers via legal routes to those entering the country illegally (with those being returned to France), we stand a better chance of damaging how the people smuggling gangs operate.
If I recall correctly, the solution of the previous government was the Rwanda scheme which cost about £700m (£300m given to Rwanda, and £400m in costs developing the scheme), which resulted in 4 people being sent there who went voluntarily anyway. |  |
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| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:40 - Sep 10 with 247 views | syntaxerror |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 16:53 - Sep 10 by blueasfook |
Awful, but using the deaths of two children to make some cheap political dig is pretty low. What is wrong with you? |
Haven’t you had enough now?
I get you are our resident troll/WUM and sometimes you can be funny. But have some decency. |  | | |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:41 - Sep 10 with 241 views | reusersfreekicks |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:06 - Sep 10 by blueasfook |
This poster has form for it. Hes not capable of having a discussion without resorting to be abusive. |
Yep you must be right because so many people have called me out. Oh wait it's only you.
Much less than the number of people resigned to your offensive r wing hyperbole | | | |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:43 - Sep 10 with 235 views | djgooder |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:35 - Sep 10 by reusersfreekicks |
Apologies - shouldn't have mentioned your family, that was wrong.
I took exception to your unsubstantiated claim re the nature of the people on the boats but expressed it badly |
No problem.
It is abolished subject and might not always explain myself well.
My concern with the people on the bats is that we don’t know. And have no way of checking until it is really too late. There should be another way. | | | |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:43 - Sep 10 with 235 views | syntaxerror |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 19:18 - Sep 10 by djgooder |
Thing is, what we need to do, and is impossible to do, is distinguish between genuine refugees and those that come hear to not contribute and /or agitate eyc
There are too many examples of of rapes and murders, grooming gangs by illegal refugees. Not sure what that is as a % of the total and of course we only usually hear about the wrong uns.
There are organisations like the Muslim Brotherhood considered terrorist organisation and banned in many Arab countries but are allowed to flourish here because we don’t want to offend anyone or come across as racist.
It is horrendous that two young children en have died in the channel. But to try and say we shouldn’t stop men of fighting age come across in a sarcastic manner is poor. |
Wtf does fighting age mean.
It’s a loaded statement designed to provoke, a far right trope.
In my opinion it’s a dead giveaway away that someone is a far right sympathiser. | | | |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:46 - Sep 10 with 227 views | jayessess |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:29 - Sep 10 by djgooder |
A very difficult question and has many options.
I have the luck of coming for a 1st world country and therefore safety means likely something very different to me than someone in a camp in France.
But, and I know you can’t answer this question, where did the people that n France come from? Let’s maybe take the example of war torn Syria a year or so back. It is safer than that. But also the countries they travelled through to get to a camp in France would have seen safer. To risk your child’s life on a channel crossing to get to family in the uk does seem a touch to far.
Of course there may be examples where they absolutely must come to the uk.
The economies of France; Germany etc are decent and standard of living likely better than ours. So why risk a channel crossing? |
I suppose on the first thing, I take the view that 'safety' should mean the same thing for everybody, not one thing for us and another for people who we think different to us.
On the second thing. Firstly, Germany and France both get more asylum applications than Britain does. But secondly, surely you get that being a refugee puts you in a pretty vulnerable situation? British people can end up homeless, destitute and in difficult situations in Britain, a society where they have full citizenship from birth with all the rights that conveys! You can imagine how it might be if you didn't have all that. Wouldn't you seek out the place where you could get help from contacts? Could speak the language at least a little? | |
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| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:48 - Sep 10 with 223 views | djgooder |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:43 - Sep 10 by syntaxerror |
Wtf does fighting age mean.
It’s a loaded statement designed to provoke, a far right trope.
In my opinion it’s a dead giveaway away that someone is a far right sympathiser. |
I was actually only making reference to the opening statement that seemed to be dismissing any negative reason to come to the UK. | | | |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 21:00 - Sep 10 with 190 views | eireblue |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:38 - Sep 10 by BlueBoots |
Posting to clarify what the current government are doing about people attempting small boat crossings:
https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2025/09/02/asylum-and-immigration-briefing-n
The UK has an obligation to accept refugees as one of the countries that signed the 1951 UN convention; by cooperating with France to accept an equal number of genuine asylum seekers via legal routes to those entering the country illegally (with those being returned to France), we stand a better chance of damaging how the people smuggling gangs operate.
If I recall correctly, the solution of the previous government was the Rwanda scheme which cost about £700m (£300m given to Rwanda, and £400m in costs developing the scheme), which resulted in 4 people being sent there who went voluntarily anyway. |
To add to that, although the Rwanda scheme is now being touted by Tories as a brilliant scheme, if only it hadn’t been cancelled, they keep forgetting to mention that it was only scaled for 200 asylum seekers, whilst the backlog was about 160k. I wish media interviewers remembered that. | | | |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 22:41 - Sep 10 with 108 views | onceablue |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:06 - Sep 10 by blueasfook |
This poster has form for it. Hes not capable of having a discussion without resorting to be abusive. |
I agree with your sentiment
He has abused me more than once |  | | |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 22:48 - Sep 10 with 99 views | JackNorthStand |
Absolutely terrible.
The adults they were with in France, parents or otherwise who decided to board a boat with these children to get to the UK made an informed decision - shame on them. Blood also on Starmers hands for allowing this to continue. | | | |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 22:53 - Sep 10 with 82 views | lowhouseblue |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:08 - Sep 10 by vapour_trail |
I wouldn’t bother continuing.
There’s two of them on this thread trolling in their own distinctive styles. At least blueas has always been clear on what he is. This one has spent many years pretending it’s something else, it’s now very clear exactly what it is. |
i've never pretended anything. but i've called your fraudulent nonsense out enough times that it probably explains your bitterness - or perhaps that's just how you are. |  |
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| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 22:53 - Sep 10 with 84 views | blueasfook |
| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 20:41 - Sep 10 by reusersfreekicks |
Yep you must be right because so many people have called me out. Oh wait it's only you.
Much less than the number of people resigned to your offensive r wing hyperbole |
Would you speak to a guy like that in the pub? Call him a bigot and make comments about his wife? I'll bet you wouldn't. Only brave behind a keyboard. | |
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| 2 children drowned in the Channel today on 23:02 - Sep 10 with 51 views | Whos_blue |
I've just read that the poor sods didn't drown. They were crushed to death on the overloaded boat.
That just seems so much worse somehow.
I just can't imagine what their last moments must've been like nor the total agony their parents must've gone through as the tragedy unfolded in front of them and how helpless they must've felt.
Stories like this just bring home the desperation of these people.
Their crime?
Seeking a better life. |  |
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