| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah 20:24 - Sep 10 with 47004 views | ElderGrizzly |
Was speaking at a University event and appears to have been shot (from distance) in the neck.
And actually shot, not the Donald Trump kind.
Horrific whatever your political views and has no place in politics
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:25 - Sep 13 with 1098 views | Mullet |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 16:52 - Sep 13 by lowhouseblue |
i know little about him and next to nothing before he was murdered. can you be specific about which of his views were 'fascist' and how you distinguish them from hard right or christian nationalist or social conservative etc views? and are fascist views distinct from advocating fascism as a political programme - and did he do that? genuinely know next to nothing about him. |
Yep. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:28 - Sep 13 with 1070 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:25 - Sep 13 by Mullet |
Yep. |
so you don't know? |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:30 - Sep 13 with 1053 views | Mullet |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:28 - Sep 13 by lowhouseblue |
so you don't know? |
I just have no interest in your bad faith far right shilling. You can Google him like the rest of us. But I’ve got no interest trying to accommodate you anymore as we discussed last time, you’re full of sh1te. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:50 - Sep 13 with 964 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:30 - Sep 13 by Mullet |
I just have no interest in your bad faith far right shilling. You can Google him like the rest of us. But I’ve got no interest trying to accommodate you anymore as we discussed last time, you’re full of sh1te. |
but you won't specify why his views are 'fascist"? you're the one making the claim, not google. since when is asking someone to explain what they've said "far right shilling"? questions aren't traps. i genuinely know nothing about him other than from the news coverage following his murder. he was certainly a right wing christian nationalist with very socially conservative views - they may well have been bigoted views - but that alone doesn't amount to fascism. we've had someone on this thread seriously claiming that violence against 'fascism' is ok - so it's quite an important definition and not a label to be thrown around without good reason. you're the one using the term so i asked you to explain why. but you're unwilling to answer? | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:01 - Sep 13 with 910 views | Trequartista |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 15:43 - Sep 13 by Mullet |
You seem to be denying Kirk was a far right extremist with fascist views though. Which is well documented and makes his media “martyrdom” incredibly troubling for anyone vaguely normal.
It’s horrible he was killed but the bloke was vile and his “free speech” advocacy was a sham. |
I do like the way you frame things “you seem to be denying” as though the next thing you say is a fact not an opinion. From what I have seen he is a right wing conservative who likes to debate people, I don’t think fascists like to debate they just use violence. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:03 - Sep 13 with 896 views | Trequartista |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 16:20 - Sep 13 by Swailsey |
Yep. Terrible hill for T to die on (excuse the clumsy wording). |
You can post to me directly- I always try to be very polite until politeness is not shown to me. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:10 - Sep 13 with 828 views | positivity |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:03 - Sep 13 by Trequartista |
You can post to me directly- I always try to be very polite until politeness is not shown to me. |
that's amusing, a polite person would not ignore a polite question!
what's your definition of fascism and in what ways do trump et al's actions differ from it? |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:21 - Sep 13 with 757 views | Libero |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:50 - Sep 13 by lowhouseblue |
but you won't specify why his views are 'fascist"? you're the one making the claim, not google. since when is asking someone to explain what they've said "far right shilling"? questions aren't traps. i genuinely know nothing about him other than from the news coverage following his murder. he was certainly a right wing christian nationalist with very socially conservative views - they may well have been bigoted views - but that alone doesn't amount to fascism. we've had someone on this thread seriously claiming that violence against 'fascism' is ok - so it's quite an important definition and not a label to be thrown around without good reason. you're the one using the term so i asked you to explain why. but you're unwilling to answer? |
If you don’t know much about the topic, which by your own admittance you don’t - maybe next time do some adequate research, reading or similar of your own volition and hold off contributing until you know what you’re talking about.
Otherwise, you might end up defending a fascist. |  | | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:28 - Sep 13 with 694 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:01 - Sep 13 by Trequartista |
I do like the way you frame things “you seem to be denying” as though the next thing you say is a fact not an opinion. From what I have seen he is a right wing conservative who likes to debate people, I don’t think fascists like to debate they just use violence. |
There's conservative (small c) and there's people who think that a raped 13 year old year old should be forced to bear the child. | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:28 - Sep 13 with 680 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:21 - Sep 13 by Libero |
If you don’t know much about the topic, which by your own admittance you don’t - maybe next time do some adequate research, reading or similar of your own volition and hold off contributing until you know what you’re talking about.
Otherwise, you might end up defending a fascist. |
The problem is that humankind has stopped ready and now get their ‘facts’ from their billionaire backed, algorithm manipulated social media echo-chamber. |  | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:30 - Sep 13 with 656 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:21 - Sep 13 by Libero |
If you don’t know much about the topic, which by your own admittance you don’t - maybe next time do some adequate research, reading or similar of your own volition and hold off contributing until you know what you’re talking about.
Otherwise, you might end up defending a fascist. |
mullet made a statement - i asked him to explain it. he can't. asking for an explanation isn't defending anything. asking questions only becomes controversial when someone can't answer.
as i've said i've read the media coverage following the murder - that suggests that he was a right wing, socially conservative christian nationalist, not a fascist. again, caring about correct definitions doesn't involve defending anything. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:40 - Sep 13 with 582 views | Trequartista |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:10 - Sep 13 by positivity |
that's amusing, a polite person would not ignore a polite question!
what's your definition of fascism and in what ways do trump et al's actions differ from it? |
I’d say right wing authoritarianism Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet etc. Banning opposition parties, killing or abducting those who dissent, that sort of thing.
I remember Rik from the young ones calling any Tory a fascist. It was a parody. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:41 - Sep 13 with 575 views | positivity |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:21 - Sep 13 by Libero |
If you don’t know much about the topic, which by your own admittance you don’t - maybe next time do some adequate research, reading or similar of your own volition and hold off contributing until you know what you’re talking about.
Otherwise, you might end up defending a fascist. |
it seems that the people on here acting as apologists for the far-right are very, very sure that you shouldn't call anyone a fascist, no matter how heinous.
however they can't/won't actually define what they believe a fascist is! odd that... | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:42 - Sep 13 with 560 views | Trequartista |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:28 - Sep 13 by redrickstuhaart |
There's conservative (small c) and there's people who think that a raped 13 year old year old should be forced to bear the child. |
If you believe that life starts at conception then that makes that a debatable topic. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:43 - Sep 13 with 552 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:40 - Sep 13 by Trequartista |
I’d say right wing authoritarianism Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet etc. Banning opposition parties, killing or abducting those who dissent, that sort of thing.
I remember Rik from the young ones calling any Tory a fascist. It was a parody. |
So we have the Trump administration, more than once now, talking about labelling the democrats as extremists and terrorists.
We have judges, independent officials, lawyers being attacked and shut down if they don't follow the line.
We have people being disappeared and deported by squads in unmarked black masks.
We have governance by decree, bypassing the legislature.
We have demonising groups.
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:47 - Sep 13 with 519 views | positivity |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:40 - Sep 13 by Trequartista |
I’d say right wing authoritarianism Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet etc. Banning opposition parties, killing or abducting those who dissent, that sort of thing.
I remember Rik from the young ones calling any Tory a fascist. It was a parody. |
this isn't any tory, and it's not a sitcom. rick's tories didn't do what the current us governement say and do.
these are people who have called for democrats to be prosecuted for following electoral rules
who cheer when hortman was killed, but cry revenge against "the radical left" (with no evidence of complicity) if kirk is
who abduct us citizens and send them to foreign jails
that sort of thing
by your definition they're either fascist or fast slipping that way... | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:50 - Sep 13 with 491 views | iamatractorboy |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:43 - Sep 13 by redrickstuhaart |
So we have the Trump administration, more than once now, talking about labelling the democrats as extremists and terrorists.
We have judges, independent officials, lawyers being attacked and shut down if they don't follow the line.
We have people being disappeared and deported by squads in unmarked black masks.
We have governance by decree, bypassing the legislature.
We have demonising groups.
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I suppose we could start a new thread debating whether Trump himself is a fascist. If nothing else, it would be amusing to see the usual people squirming to find a way not to call him one, I guess. | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:52 - Sep 13 with 456 views | Dubtractor |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:43 - Sep 13 by redrickstuhaart |
So we have the Trump administration, more than once now, talking about labelling the democrats as extremists and terrorists.
We have judges, independent officials, lawyers being attacked and shut down if they don't follow the line.
We have people being disappeared and deported by squads in unmarked black masks.
We have governance by decree, bypassing the legislature.
We have demonising groups.
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Exactly.
You can argue whether Kirk himself was demonstrably a fascist, but he was very happy to do the legwork on behalf of people who quite clearly are. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:32 - Sep 13 with 263 views | Libero |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:41 - Sep 13 by positivity |
it seems that the people on here acting as apologists for the far-right are very, very sure that you shouldn't call anyone a fascist, no matter how heinous.
however they can't/won't actually define what they believe a fascist is! odd that... |
ENOUGH OF THIS SIXTH FORM POLITICS xoxo | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:37 - Sep 13 with 220 views | Libero |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:30 - Sep 13 by lowhouseblue |
mullet made a statement - i asked him to explain it. he can't. asking for an explanation isn't defending anything. asking questions only becomes controversial when someone can't answer.
as i've said i've read the media coverage following the murder - that suggests that he was a right wing, socially conservative christian nationalist, not a fascist. again, caring about correct definitions doesn't involve defending anything. |
You’ve got no idea what you’re talking about, mate - you literally said it yourself.
It’s not Mullet or anyone else’s responsibility to educate you, if you *actually* cared you’d do the relevant reading and research beyond the current media bilge - but it’s easier and more fun to shout your mouth off in an ignorant and ill-informed manner about something you have no idea about and a person you didn’t even know existed until they were assassinated, I guess… | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:38 - Sep 13 with 209 views | Libero |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:52 - Sep 13 by Dubtractor |
Exactly.
You can argue whether Kirk himself was demonstrably a fascist, but he was very happy to do the legwork on behalf of people who quite clearly are. |
More concerned with what *kind* of fascism is taking place than the actual facial acts - they’re showing their whole ass and they don’t even realise. Embarrassing. | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:57 - Sep 13 with 117 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:37 - Sep 13 by Libero |
You’ve got no idea what you’re talking about, mate - you literally said it yourself.
It’s not Mullet or anyone else’s responsibility to educate you, if you *actually* cared you’d do the relevant reading and research beyond the current media bilge - but it’s easier and more fun to shout your mouth off in an ignorant and ill-informed manner about something you have no idea about and a person you didn’t even know existed until they were assassinated, I guess… |
mullet made an assertion. i asked him to justify it. he couldn't.
asking questions is much better than claiming that violence is needed to stop fascism and throwing about the label of fascism to just about anyone you are politically opposed to. you represent much that is badly wrong with online politics - you are down a nasty rabbit hole and you don't even know it. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 20:06 - Sep 13 with 87 views | Libero |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:57 - Sep 13 by lowhouseblue |
mullet made an assertion. i asked him to justify it. he couldn't.
asking questions is much better than claiming that violence is needed to stop fascism and throwing about the label of fascism to just about anyone you are politically opposed to. you represent much that is badly wrong with online politics - you are down a nasty rabbit hole and you don't even know it. |
Once again, in your own words- you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I wonder why it is you’re so desperate to defend such lowlife deplorables?
Mullet owes you nothing.
Do your own work. | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 20:10 - Sep 13 with 60 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 20:06 - Sep 13 by Libero |
Once again, in your own words- you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I wonder why it is you’re so desperate to defend such lowlife deplorables?
Mullet owes you nothing.
Do your own work. |
who have i defended? you're imagining things. asking questions and trying to get someone to explain the label they are applying isn't defending anything. "right wing christian nationalist and social conservative" isn't a character reference. you seem to find questions strangely threatening. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 20:11 - Sep 13 with 53 views | Swailsey |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:57 - Sep 13 by lowhouseblue |
mullet made an assertion. i asked him to justify it. he couldn't.
asking questions is much better than claiming that violence is needed to stop fascism and throwing about the label of fascism to just about anyone you are politically opposed to. you represent much that is badly wrong with online politics - you are down a nasty rabbit hole and you don't even know it. |
Why do you always do this?
You try and derail threads by playing devil’s advocate and using language which you think makes you sound clever.
You know exactly what you’re doing - you do it all the time whenever there is a controversial topic.
What you do adds absolutely nothing to the debate, despite you thinking it does. It’s so tiresome. |  |
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