| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah 20:24 - Sep 10 with 20972 views | ElderGrizzly |
Was speaking at a University event and appears to have been shot (from distance) in the neck.
And actually shot, not the Donald Trump kind.
Horrific whatever your political views and has no place in politics
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:19 - Sep 11 with 399 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:15 - Sep 11 by Swansea_Blue |
Ah gerrymandering. They learnt well from us. |
We have an independent commission. They have just forced a vote on it politically. |  | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:25 - Sep 11 with 367 views | Libero |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:02 - Sep 11 by lowhouseblue |
it points to a flaw in us institutions - they lack the equivalent of an independent electoral commission. the uk regularly redraws boundaries but it is uncontroversial because it is done independently. but the thing with the us is that if the republicans are doing it in their favour while they have the necessary majority now, it is almost certain the democrats have done the same in their favour in the past when they had the chance. the lack of political independence in the judiciary and in processes such as this is a problem in the us, but it is in no sense new or unique to trump.
edit - and it isn't fascism. [Post edited 11 Sep 19:03]
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🎣 cheers for that, bud - another piece of valuable insight.
Good thing the courts in the US are *totally* legit and haven’t been muddled with whatsoever and that everything that’s happening now is totally normal and the democrats have definitely done exactly the same, nothing out of the ordinary going on, phew!
What a relief! |  | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:30 - Sep 11 with 323 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:19 - Sep 11 by redrickstuhaart |
We have an independent commission. They have just forced a vote on it politically. |
Indeed, the Boundary Commissions. I could well be imagining it, but it seems like the reorganisations only ever go in favour of the incumbent government. Maybe I’m wrong and don’t notice when it goes the other way.
Still, they do a better job than the Welsh Rugby overlords, who are suggesting the best way to have good competition in Wales is for there to be only 2 regional clubs at the top level. (Sorry, that’s probably of little interest to anyone but the first example of dubious boundary reorganisation I could think of). |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 20:16 - Sep 11 with 211 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:02 - Sep 11 by lowhouseblue |
it points to a flaw in us institutions - they lack the equivalent of an independent electoral commission. the uk regularly redraws boundaries but it is uncontroversial because it is done independently. but the thing with the us is that if the republicans are doing it in their favour while they have the necessary majority now, it is almost certain the democrats have done the same in their favour in the past when they had the chance. the lack of political independence in the judiciary and in processes such as this is a problem in the us, but it is in no sense new or unique to trump.
edit - and it isn't fascism. [Post edited 11 Sep 19:03]
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I know you didn't reply to me, but I have said many times that I don't think Trump et al are fascist. I think it is ignorant to suggest they are. I also don't see the point of it. It is an anti-democratic right-wing movement that is attacking democratic institutions in multiple areas. That is more of the issue that whether their want to argue incorrectly that Trump et al are fascist.
So the big thing are the multitude of different threats. One thing in osolation is never that bad. But it is a systematic attack on democractic institions and that does typically start from within when a democracy transitions to a dictatorship.
The whole "the democrats also did it" is a weak argument, voting boundaries and states are already skewed to the Republicans, hense why Hilary won the democratic vote and lost the election.
It is worth noting that the current Republican party are supported by facists. The people who performed an insurrection were pardoned by this government. Not being labelled fascist isn't a win. The state of the Republican party is a threat to US democratic institutions. That isn't an opinion, that is observable. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 20:19 - Sep 11 with 197 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 16:42 - Sep 11 by Libero |
No, the two are related but not directly causational?
- Violence is essential to dismantling fascism.
- Charlie Kirk is a quasi-fascist who has been a victim of violence and lost his life.
- I do not believe the violence Charlie Kirk was a victim of will lead directly to the dismantling of the current administration.
Not sure I can break it down much simpler than that, apologies if it’s still not communicating in a concise and/or clear enough manner for you to digest the intention behind my words. [Post edited 11 Sep 17:42]
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Oh don't worry, it's quite clear what you've done. You massively exaggerated and have now realised how silly that was and rowed back on it. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 20:44 - Sep 11 with 112 views | Libero |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 20:19 - Sep 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Oh don't worry, it's quite clear what you've done. You massively exaggerated and have now realised how silly that was and rowed back on it. |
Weird it’s come across like that, because I personally stand by everything I’ve said- and I most certainly don’t feel ‘silly’
I was just trying to genuinely offer greater insight into the intended meaning of my words as I’m aware that I’m not always the greatest at communication, written or otherwise. | | | |
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