| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor 07:35 - Sep 11 with 1915 views | unstableblue |
It included Christian referencing alongside divisive words. Below is the kind of message he should have been sharing. From a Texas Democrat of faith:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOctIZtjULL/?igsh=eTh5ajFmYXYxaDJv
Trump focused on a radical left being the issue, and fails to acknowledge the below incidents.
Dark times for the USA. And continued very very poor leadership.
The man who targeted and killed Democratic state Rep Melissa Hortman was a Trump supporter.
The man who targeted the home of Dem Governor Josh Shapiro was a Trump supporter.
The men who wanted to hang Mike Pence on Jan 6th were Trump supporters.
The man who targeted and killed the son of Obama-appointed District Judge Esther Salas was a Trump supporter.
The man who tried to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and assaulted her husband was a Trump supporter.
The men who were convicted trying to kidnap Dem Governor Gretchen Whitmer were Trump supporters.
The man who sent pipe bombs to the homes of Obama and Biden was a Trump supporter. |  |
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| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 07:45 - Sep 11 with 1836 views | BlueNomad |
No speeches after school shootings, apart from Vance saying “they are one of those things.”
Kirk himself said that it was worth a few people being shot to ensure the Second Amendment. |  | | |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 08:39 - Sep 11 with 1648 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 07:45 - Sep 11 by BlueNomad |
No speeches after school shootings, apart from Vance saying “they are one of those things.”
Kirk himself said that it was worth a few people being shot to ensure the Second Amendment. |
Gun violence is seen as an acceptable trade off in the US, in exchange for the 2nd amendment rights. And things will never change until that viewpoint begins to change.
But, and I'm sure this isn't what you are suggesting, but I've seen it hundreds of times in the last few hours, what Kirk said, or for that matter whatever anyone says; can never be a justification for what happened. Kirk making that statement previously is entirely irrelevant.
What is concerning from Trump's statement is that this is already been used by Trump as a pretext to go after perceived enemies on the 'radical left', completely unconnected to this event.
The culture war rages on. |  |
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| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 08:47 - Sep 11 with 1579 views | JakeITFC |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 08:39 - Sep 11 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Gun violence is seen as an acceptable trade off in the US, in exchange for the 2nd amendment rights. And things will never change until that viewpoint begins to change.
But, and I'm sure this isn't what you are suggesting, but I've seen it hundreds of times in the last few hours, what Kirk said, or for that matter whatever anyone says; can never be a justification for what happened. Kirk making that statement previously is entirely irrelevant.
What is concerning from Trump's statement is that this is already been used by Trump as a pretext to go after perceived enemies on the 'radical left', completely unconnected to this event.
The culture war rages on. |
I’d never heard of the guy before yesterday but I’d say his statement on shootings was in poor taste for those who would have died in shootings previously and so I don’t think it is out of line to use it in the same context. |  | | |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 08:52 - Sep 11 with 1548 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 07:45 - Sep 11 by BlueNomad |
No speeches after school shootings, apart from Vance saying “they are one of those things.”
Kirk himself said that it was worth a few people being shot to ensure the Second Amendment. |
Live by the sword, die by the sword, eh?
I wonder if Kirk would change his views now if he could. Poor sod, even if he was a particularly nasty one. It’s obviously a crazy way to go about things, but I can’t see how the US can row back from their worship of guns. |  |
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| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 08:53 - Sep 11 with 1539 views | Esseeja |
By the way, I'm fairly certain Trump's Oval Office speech is an AI deepfake video. |  | | |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:06 - Sep 11 with 1473 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 08:52 - Sep 11 by Swansea_Blue |
Live by the sword, die by the sword, eh?
I wonder if Kirk would change his views now if he could. Poor sod, even if he was a particularly nasty one. It’s obviously a crazy way to go about things, but I can’t see how the US can row back from their worship of guns. |
He wasn't "a particularly nasty one". He was centrally positioned in terms of American Christian Conservatism.
Clean cut, clean living, and extremely well mannered.
"Nasty" is just completely the wrong word.
Gifted, intelligent, polished and with a consistent personal brand. He would have been a significant political figure for decades had he not been assassinated. | | | |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:12 - Sep 11 with 1441 views | BlueNomad |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 08:39 - Sep 11 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Gun violence is seen as an acceptable trade off in the US, in exchange for the 2nd amendment rights. And things will never change until that viewpoint begins to change.
But, and I'm sure this isn't what you are suggesting, but I've seen it hundreds of times in the last few hours, what Kirk said, or for that matter whatever anyone says; can never be a justification for what happened. Kirk making that statement previously is entirely irrelevant.
What is concerning from Trump's statement is that this is already been used by Trump as a pretext to go after perceived enemies on the 'radical left', completely unconnected to this event.
The culture war rages on. |
Of course the shooting cannot be justified. Kirk had great influence which, perhaps, he could have used to introduce an element of calm into a society which is splitting apart.
What really gets me are the comments made by Trump, Vance et al when they were silent after the assassination of the Dem in Minnesota and the numerous school shootings (“one of those things” according to Vance). Ordering the flag to be flown at half mast until after the weekend? What is that about?
Kirk was a man who saw empathy as a weakness. In his case I don’t feel particularly weak. [Post edited 11 Sep 9:15]
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| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:13 - Sep 11 with 1428 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:06 - Sep 11 by ArnoldMoorhen |
He wasn't "a particularly nasty one". He was centrally positioned in terms of American Christian Conservatism.
Clean cut, clean living, and extremely well mannered.
"Nasty" is just completely the wrong word.
Gifted, intelligent, polished and with a consistent personal brand. He would have been a significant political figure for decades had he not been assassinated. |
" "Nasty" is just completely the wrong word."
I would say that declaring you would expect a 10 year old child who is R*ped to carry a baby to term against her will is pretty nasty. This is one of plenty of examples.
What happened was wrong, plain and simple but lets not rewrite history on the guy. [Post edited 11 Sep 9:29]
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| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:15 - Sep 11 with 1388 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:06 - Sep 11 by ArnoldMoorhen |
He wasn't "a particularly nasty one". He was centrally positioned in terms of American Christian Conservatism.
Clean cut, clean living, and extremely well mannered.
"Nasty" is just completely the wrong word.
Gifted, intelligent, polished and with a consistent personal brand. He would have been a significant political figure for decades had he not been assassinated. |
I’m not a big fan of people who defend gun deaths including school mass shootings, are against equality and peddle conspiracy theories. | |
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| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:18 - Sep 11 with 1354 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Every president in the history of the United States of America would have used that speech to call for unity and attempt to calm down tensions in the country.
Not this one. The world changed in the worst way in November 2016 when he was elected and I'm not sure it will ever recover. | |
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| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:22 - Sep 11 with 1289 views | Blueschev |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:13 - Sep 11 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
" "Nasty" is just completely the wrong word."
I would say that declaring you would expect a 10 year old child who is R*ped to carry a baby to term against her will is pretty nasty. This is one of plenty of examples.
What happened was wrong, plain and simple but lets not rewrite history on the guy. [Post edited 11 Sep 9:29]
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Editing thousands of 30 second clips to make you always seem right and anyone who disagrees with you an idiot is truly Orwellian and dangerous.
I feel for his poor family, it's a tragedy and there is no justification for it. But I won't pretend he wasn't a nasty propogandist just because he was murdered. |  | | |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:25 - Sep 11 with 1265 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:18 - Sep 11 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Every president in the history of the United States of America would have used that speech to call for unity and attempt to calm down tensions in the country.
Not this one. The world changed in the worst way in November 2016 when he was elected and I'm not sure it will ever recover. |
Yep.
The change of name of the DoD to DoW is just the beginning of a chain reaction I fear.
Some on the right calling the Kirk assassination “our Reichstag fire” which apart from showing a stunning lack of historical knowledge, is still a terrifying comparison to produce. | |
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| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:30 - Sep 11 with 1212 views | Blueschev |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:25 - Sep 11 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Yep.
The change of name of the DoD to DoW is just the beginning of a chain reaction I fear.
Some on the right calling the Kirk assassination “our Reichstag fire” which apart from showing a stunning lack of historical knowledge, is still a terrifying comparison to produce. |
To be fair, that was the first thing that popped in to my mind when I heard the news last night. The fact that Trump has already put troops on the streets prior to this only makes the situation more frightening. The US has been on the brink for some time, this will only add fuel to the fire. | | | |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:38 - Sep 11 with 1119 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:22 - Sep 11 by Blueschev |
Editing thousands of 30 second clips to make you always seem right and anyone who disagrees with you an idiot is truly Orwellian and dangerous.
I feel for his poor family, it's a tragedy and there is no justification for it. But I won't pretend he wasn't a nasty propogandist just because he was murdered. |
Recent footage of him debating at a British university really exposed the disingenuous tactics he used. They didn't work so well against intelligent prepared people who knew his methods.
None of this makes what happened any less appalling, but he must not be martyred as some noble speaker of truth. | | | |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:41 - Sep 11 with 1101 views | thebooks |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:06 - Sep 11 by ArnoldMoorhen |
He wasn't "a particularly nasty one". He was centrally positioned in terms of American Christian Conservatism.
Clean cut, clean living, and extremely well mannered.
"Nasty" is just completely the wrong word.
Gifted, intelligent, polished and with a consistent personal brand. He would have been a significant political figure for decades had he not been assassinated. |
Bog-standard neo-Nazi grifter. One of his suggestions was that it's not a bad thing for children to witness executions.
But hey, he was well-mannered. |  | | |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:44 - Sep 11 with 1054 views | ElderGrizzly |
It wasn’t just Trump, his loyal lieutenants were doing this in the hours before (and after)
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| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:46 - Sep 11 with 1019 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 08:39 - Sep 11 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Gun violence is seen as an acceptable trade off in the US, in exchange for the 2nd amendment rights. And things will never change until that viewpoint begins to change.
But, and I'm sure this isn't what you are suggesting, but I've seen it hundreds of times in the last few hours, what Kirk said, or for that matter whatever anyone says; can never be a justification for what happened. Kirk making that statement previously is entirely irrelevant.
What is concerning from Trump's statement is that this is already been used by Trump as a pretext to go after perceived enemies on the 'radical left', completely unconnected to this event.
The culture war rages on. |
A culture war built on lies
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| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:52 - Sep 11 with 953 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:46 - Sep 11 by ElderGrizzly |
A culture war built on lies
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Of course. They have to have their own version of events (‘alternative facts’) that people can believe in order to get into the club. And you stay in the club by publicly supporting those false versions of events. Strip it all back and it’s just a cult. | |
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| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 10:58 - Sep 11 with 704 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 09:41 - Sep 11 by thebooks |
Bog-standard neo-Nazi grifter. One of his suggestions was that it's not a bad thing for children to witness executions.
But hey, he was well-mannered. |
Ok, the point I was making has got lost.
"Nasty" is an ad hominem attack, that wouldn't resonate with those who might look up to him.
I stand a long way from his political philosophy and his social conservatism.
The point I am trying to make is that "respectability" is an absolutely key factor in US Christian Conservatism, particularly in the Southern States.
Any supporter of Kirk hearing him described as "Nasty" would consider that so far from their view of him that they would instantly dismiss it out of hand, and any valid critiques put forward by the person saying it.
The arguments put forward to defend the use of the word nasty are what are relevant here.
I would prefer to use words like "effectively promoted an anti-progressive philosophy" or "re-energised young Right Wing campaigners" or "was a key voice in persuading millions of young women in the USA that they shouldn't have autonomy over their own bodies".
The respectability of "the nasty" is a nut that progressives haven't cracked.
The alignment of the interests of Billionaires with the Social Conservative movement makes it ever more pressing. | | | |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 11:21 - Sep 11 with 614 views | thebooks |
| Trump’s Oval Office speech after Charlie’s Kirk death is I’m afraid poor on 10:58 - Sep 11 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Ok, the point I was making has got lost.
"Nasty" is an ad hominem attack, that wouldn't resonate with those who might look up to him.
I stand a long way from his political philosophy and his social conservatism.
The point I am trying to make is that "respectability" is an absolutely key factor in US Christian Conservatism, particularly in the Southern States.
Any supporter of Kirk hearing him described as "Nasty" would consider that so far from their view of him that they would instantly dismiss it out of hand, and any valid critiques put forward by the person saying it.
The arguments put forward to defend the use of the word nasty are what are relevant here.
I would prefer to use words like "effectively promoted an anti-progressive philosophy" or "re-energised young Right Wing campaigners" or "was a key voice in persuading millions of young women in the USA that they shouldn't have autonomy over their own bodies".
The respectability of "the nasty" is a nut that progressives haven't cracked.
The alignment of the interests of Billionaires with the Social Conservative movement makes it ever more pressing. |
I couldn’t really care less what a supporter of a neo-Nazi considers a valid criticism of them. You’re not going to win them over in a discussion.
I do object to euphemistic phrases such as “effectively promoted an anti-progressive philosophy” though. He was a neo-Nazi. | | | |
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