| Anyone you know? on 19:01 - Sep 15 with 1893 views | J2BLUE |
| Anyone you know? on 18:33 - Sep 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Bit of a weird day out, but each to their own.
I quite like to go to Tate Modern when I travel into central. Sometimes one of the markets. Maybe watch some music, comedy, or take in a show. There's every type you could wish for.
I've never had the urge "march for a bit" as a day out. |
Sounds sh1t, direct me to the march. |  |
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| Anyone you know? on 20:07 - Sep 15 with 1737 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Anyone you know? on 18:33 - Sep 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Bit of a weird day out, but each to their own.
I quite like to go to Tate Modern when I travel into central. Sometimes one of the markets. Maybe watch some music, comedy, or take in a show. There's every type you could wish for.
I've never had the urge "march for a bit" as a day out. |
I flew down to London for a few days for my wedding anniversary a few years ago. Did the restaurants, the bars and the Borough Market. But it also coincided with the "Refugees Are Welcome" match to Parliament Square. So we took part in that.
Got talking to a lovely chap on the march from the SWP who was sporting a green Mohican, jeans, bovver boots, a studded leather jacket and a white T Shirt with "Tory Scum" emblazoned on it.
I didn't tell him much about my political views at the time. But it was a good day out. Your mate Corbyn was one of the speakers. I may have nodded of during that part.  |  |
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| Anyone you know? on 20:23 - Sep 15 with 1691 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone you know? on 20:07 - Sep 15 by GlasgowBlue |
I flew down to London for a few days for my wedding anniversary a few years ago. Did the restaurants, the bars and the Borough Market. But it also coincided with the "Refugees Are Welcome" match to Parliament Square. So we took part in that.
Got talking to a lovely chap on the march from the SWP who was sporting a green Mohican, jeans, bovver boots, a studded leather jacket and a white T Shirt with "Tory Scum" emblazoned on it.
I didn't tell him much about my political views at the time. But it was a good day out. Your mate Corbyn was one of the speakers. I may have nodded of during that part. |
Fair enough. I'm pretty sure you got my point though. |  |
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| Anyone you know? on 23:29 - Sep 15 with 1464 views | Whos_blue |
| Anyone you know? on 16:35 - Sep 15 by textbackup |
Many would have treated it as a day out, joining the march for a bit, then heading off into the city.
Not everyone was at the front foaming at the mouth. |
I'm not sure where I've said anything about anyone foaming at the mouth.
So just to ensure this is clear in my mind. You say people would have treated as a day out and nothing else.
There is every chance it may be true for a few attendees. The mysterious bishop we've heard about for example.
But can we at least agree that the event was organised by the far right and that most, if not all, speakers were far right activists?
If we do agree this is the case (which perhaps is a little rhetorical as we both know the answer really), then can we also agree that most, and again by no means all, attendees knew this before they decided to attend? |  |
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| Anyone you know? on 06:17 - Sep 16 with 1090 views | gtsb1966 |
| Anyone you know? on 23:29 - Sep 15 by Whos_blue |
I'm not sure where I've said anything about anyone foaming at the mouth.
So just to ensure this is clear in my mind. You say people would have treated as a day out and nothing else.
There is every chance it may be true for a few attendees. The mysterious bishop we've heard about for example.
But can we at least agree that the event was organised by the far right and that most, if not all, speakers were far right activists?
If we do agree this is the case (which perhaps is a little rhetorical as we both know the answer really), then can we also agree that most, and again by no means all, attendees knew this before they decided to attend? |
Ive been reading this thread with interest and your post is imho the most sensible from someone who obviously opposes these protests . Too call everyone who attended racist like some have is nonsense. A lot of the people who attended are simply fed up with seeing boat loads of young men being given accommodation, food, money and seeing gangs of them sitting around doing nothing all day in our town centres, parks etc whilst they are going out to work and struggling. The saturation coverage of this in the media is why I believe so many attended. That doesn't make them racist. People, especially women, are starting to feel uncomfortable in their own communities. People on here can call me racist if they like , and they will, but the boats have to stop and until that happens this won't go away. [Post edited 16 Sep 6:23]
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| Anyone you know? on 07:58 - Sep 16 with 887 views | witchdoctor |
| Anyone you know? on 06:17 - Sep 16 by gtsb1966 |
Ive been reading this thread with interest and your post is imho the most sensible from someone who obviously opposes these protests . Too call everyone who attended racist like some have is nonsense. A lot of the people who attended are simply fed up with seeing boat loads of young men being given accommodation, food, money and seeing gangs of them sitting around doing nothing all day in our town centres, parks etc whilst they are going out to work and struggling. The saturation coverage of this in the media is why I believe so many attended. That doesn't make them racist. People, especially women, are starting to feel uncomfortable in their own communities. People on here can call me racist if they like , and they will, but the boats have to stop and until that happens this won't go away. [Post edited 16 Sep 6:23]
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| Anyone you know? on 08:25 - Sep 16 with 814 views | buoyant |
| Anyone you know? on 18:27 - Sep 15 by textbackup |
Yep. This invasion has all been a bad dream. We’ll wake up soon.
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The word invasion to describe a tiny percentage increase in the countries population is a trope that even sensible people like you have now adopted it seems.
in·vade in-ˈvād
invaded; invading
Synonyms of invade
transitive verb
1: to enter for conquest or plunder
2: to encroach upon : infringe
3a: to spread over or into as if invading : permeate
doubts invade his mind
b: to affect injuriously and progressively
gangrene invades healthy tissue
The fact that so many have been sucked in by this narrative saddens me deeply. As a nation we are and should know better than this.
It feels like dark times are laying in waiting both here and in Europe, (the US are already lost) I just hope that we can find a way to reverse this rhetoric and thinking before it decends further into the situation that our ancestors fought against.
It's a worry. [Post edited 16 Sep 8:41]
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| Anyone you know? on 08:34 - Sep 16 with 744 views | Leaky |
| Anyone you know? on 06:17 - Sep 16 by gtsb1966 |
Ive been reading this thread with interest and your post is imho the most sensible from someone who obviously opposes these protests . Too call everyone who attended racist like some have is nonsense. A lot of the people who attended are simply fed up with seeing boat loads of young men being given accommodation, food, money and seeing gangs of them sitting around doing nothing all day in our town centres, parks etc whilst they are going out to work and struggling. The saturation coverage of this in the media is why I believe so many attended. That doesn't make them racist. People, especially women, are starting to feel uncomfortable in their own communities. People on here can call me racist if they like , and they will, but the boats have to stop and until that happens this won't go away. [Post edited 16 Sep 6:23]
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| Anyone you know? on 08:37 - Sep 16 with 722 views | positivity |
| Anyone you know? on 06:17 - Sep 16 by gtsb1966 |
Ive been reading this thread with interest and your post is imho the most sensible from someone who obviously opposes these protests . Too call everyone who attended racist like some have is nonsense. A lot of the people who attended are simply fed up with seeing boat loads of young men being given accommodation, food, money and seeing gangs of them sitting around doing nothing all day in our town centres, parks etc whilst they are going out to work and struggling. The saturation coverage of this in the media is why I believe so many attended. That doesn't make them racist. People, especially women, are starting to feel uncomfortable in their own communities. People on here can call me racist if they like , and they will, but the boats have to stop and until that happens this won't go away. [Post edited 16 Sep 6:23]
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if they feel that way, they need to push the government to either:
change the law to allow asylum seekers to work
or to rejoin the eu so we can have a return policy again
or to speed up the asylum process, so people can be made legal immigrants or deported
all these would help to stop the problems they complain about without being incredibly costly or breaking international law which would have dire effects on our economy and standing in the world [Post edited 16 Sep 8:38]
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| Anyone you know? on 08:40 - Sep 16 with 703 views | Leaky |
| Anyone you know? on 08:25 - Sep 16 by buoyant |
The word invasion to describe a tiny percentage increase in the countries population is a trope that even sensible people like you have now adopted it seems.
in·vade in-ˈvād
invaded; invading
Synonyms of invade
transitive verb
1: to enter for conquest or plunder
2: to encroach upon : infringe
3a: to spread over or into as if invading : permeate
doubts invade his mind
b: to affect injuriously and progressively
gangrene invades healthy tissue
The fact that so many have been sucked in by this narrative saddens me deeply. As a nation we are and should know better than this.
It feels like dark times are laying in waiting both here and in Europe, (the US are already lost) I just hope that we can find a way to reverse this rhetoric and thinking before it decends further into the situation that our ancestors fought against.
It's a worry. [Post edited 16 Sep 8:41]
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50,000 coming across the channel in a year, you describe as a small percentage, well I live near Huntingdon where the population is around 25,000 that perhaps puts into perspective | | | |
| Anyone you know? on 08:42 - Sep 16 with 682 views | giant_stow |
| Anyone you know? on 08:25 - Sep 16 by buoyant |
The word invasion to describe a tiny percentage increase in the countries population is a trope that even sensible people like you have now adopted it seems.
in·vade in-ˈvād
invaded; invading
Synonyms of invade
transitive verb
1: to enter for conquest or plunder
2: to encroach upon : infringe
3a: to spread over or into as if invading : permeate
doubts invade his mind
b: to affect injuriously and progressively
gangrene invades healthy tissue
The fact that so many have been sucked in by this narrative saddens me deeply. As a nation we are and should know better than this.
It feels like dark times are laying in waiting both here and in Europe, (the US are already lost) I just hope that we can find a way to reverse this rhetoric and thinking before it decends further into the situation that our ancestors fought against.
It's a worry. [Post edited 16 Sep 8:41]
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Very good post. The flag people think theyre standing up for British people, but they're actually standing against British values. |  |
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| Anyone you know? on 08:43 - Sep 16 with 668 views | noggin |
| Anyone you know? on 06:17 - Sep 16 by gtsb1966 |
Ive been reading this thread with interest and your post is imho the most sensible from someone who obviously opposes these protests . Too call everyone who attended racist like some have is nonsense. A lot of the people who attended are simply fed up with seeing boat loads of young men being given accommodation, food, money and seeing gangs of them sitting around doing nothing all day in our town centres, parks etc whilst they are going out to work and struggling. The saturation coverage of this in the media is why I believe so many attended. That doesn't make them racist. People, especially women, are starting to feel uncomfortable in their own communities. People on here can call me racist if they like , and they will, but the boats have to stop and until that happens this won't go away. [Post edited 16 Sep 6:23]
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All this has been addressed many times, yet you continue to use the same arguments to defend your views.
These people are asylum seekers and as such, Britain, like every other country that signed up to the refugee convention, is legally obliged to give them food and shelter while their cases are heard.
The question is, if there were safe and legal routes for people to seek asylum, would these protesters be happier? I don't think the majority would and I haven't heard any of them calling for this.
If I'm wrong and they are calling for safe and legal routes, so potentially stopping the boats, where would the asylum seekers be housed while their cases are heard? Then, if granted asylum, where would they be housed? Where would they be educated and taught the values and cultures of the host countries? Where would they be treated for health problems, including very complex mental health difficulties? How would they be integrated into the community?
So, stopping the boats, by opening legal routes, might save people from drowning in the channel. It might well force the people smugglers to look for other criminal activities, but it wouldn't ease the 'fears' of the protesters or the burden on public services. In fact, with hundreds of millions of people living in war zones, regions blighted by famine, extreme poverty and fear of persecution, the flood gates would surely open and the systems would be unable to cope.
So, simply saying "Stop the boats" is not considering the bigger picture. Mass migration will only continue, as global warming and political unrest increase.
Instead of blaming a few migrants, arriving on the beaches of southern England, we should all be demanding that those in power address the root causes of war and poverty. That's clearly not going to happen in any serious way, so we had better get ready for ever increasing numbers of people leaving their homelands and searching for a safer and more comfortable life. You and I would do exactly the same, as has been proven throughout history. |  |
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| Anyone you know? on 08:45 - Sep 16 with 647 views | giant_stow |
| Anyone you know? on 08:34 - Sep 16 by Leaky |
Spot on |
The idea that staying in a hotel and not having anything to do or any money to spend is a luxury is crazy town. Think about it - would you fancy having no real space, no mission in life or nothing to do but hang around on street corners? Sounds like the opposite of the good life to me at least. [Post edited 16 Sep 8:47]
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| Anyone you know? on 08:51 - Sep 16 with 606 views | Blueschev |
| Anyone you know? on 06:17 - Sep 16 by gtsb1966 |
Ive been reading this thread with interest and your post is imho the most sensible from someone who obviously opposes these protests . Too call everyone who attended racist like some have is nonsense. A lot of the people who attended are simply fed up with seeing boat loads of young men being given accommodation, food, money and seeing gangs of them sitting around doing nothing all day in our town centres, parks etc whilst they are going out to work and struggling. The saturation coverage of this in the media is why I believe so many attended. That doesn't make them racist. People, especially women, are starting to feel uncomfortable in their own communities. People on here can call me racist if they like , and they will, but the boats have to stop and until that happens this won't go away. [Post edited 16 Sep 6:23]
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I’m sorry but I’m not having this. If you attend a rally organised by racists, where speakers talk about the antisemitic great replacement theory, spread lies and misinformation in order to cause division, and blame all of the countries problems on foreigners (unless they’re white), then you’re a racist piece of sh*t. |  | | |
| Anyone you know? on 08:53 - Sep 16 with 586 views | buoyant |
| Anyone you know? on 08:40 - Sep 16 by Leaky |
50,000 coming across the channel in a year, you describe as a small percentage, well I live near Huntingdon where the population is around 25,000 that perhaps puts into perspective |
Over 2 million visas were granted in the UK, that's a similar population to Birmingham, Bristol and Belfast combined, that perhaps puts it into perspective.
You are looking at what you are being told to look at. Which is a worry! | |
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| Anyone you know? on 08:56 - Sep 16 with 547 views | witchdoctor |
| Anyone you know? on 08:51 - Sep 16 by Blueschev |
I’m sorry but I’m not having this. If you attend a rally organised by racists, where speakers talk about the antisemitic great replacement theory, spread lies and misinformation in order to cause division, and blame all of the countries problems on foreigners (unless they’re white), then you’re a racist piece of sh*t. |
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| Anyone you know? on 09:00 - Sep 16 with 519 views | ShortyBlue92 |
| Anyone you know? on 08:51 - Sep 16 by Blueschev |
I’m sorry but I’m not having this. If you attend a rally organised by racists, where speakers talk about the antisemitic great replacement theory, spread lies and misinformation in order to cause division, and blame all of the countries problems on foreigners (unless they’re white), then you’re a racist piece of sh*t. |
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| Anyone you know? on 09:09 - Sep 16 with 438 views | BlueBoots |
| Anyone you know? on 08:40 - Sep 16 by Leaky |
50,000 coming across the channel in a year, you describe as a small percentage, well I live near Huntingdon where the population is around 25,000 that perhaps puts into perspective |
Where have you got 50,000 from? From what I recall, peaked at around 45,000 in 2022 and no other year has come close to that (although we're at around 30,000 so far this year, as the smugglers have had weather on their side)
Doesn't help the argument of people pushing for the stop of small boat crossings if you're just going to pull a random number out of your arse. |  |
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| Anyone you know? on 09:14 - Sep 16 with 404 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone you know? on 06:17 - Sep 16 by gtsb1966 |
Ive been reading this thread with interest and your post is imho the most sensible from someone who obviously opposes these protests . Too call everyone who attended racist like some have is nonsense. A lot of the people who attended are simply fed up with seeing boat loads of young men being given accommodation, food, money and seeing gangs of them sitting around doing nothing all day in our town centres, parks etc whilst they are going out to work and struggling. The saturation coverage of this in the media is why I believe so many attended. That doesn't make them racist. People, especially women, are starting to feel uncomfortable in their own communities. People on here can call me racist if they like , and they will, but the boats have to stop and until that happens this won't go away. [Post edited 16 Sep 6:23]
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They're being given money? I could do with some money, where do I sign up?!
Oh no, they're being given food and accomodation?! So you'd rather they were living on the streets and made to starve?!
For starters, that's disgusting and inhumane (and not British values).
Secondly, I don't think it's going to ease the fears of people, especially women, in their communities.
I don't think it's racism, necessarily (although it is in many cases). I think it's more 'Some people have a terrible life, I'm glad that's not me, and I don't want it anywhere near me. I'm alright, Jack.'
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| Anyone you know? on 09:20 - Sep 16 with 362 views | LeoMuff |
| Anyone you know? on 08:40 - Sep 16 by Leaky |
50,000 coming across the channel in a year, you describe as a small percentage, well I live near Huntingdon where the population is around 25,000 that perhaps puts into perspective |
The thing is no one seems to have an issue with Ukrainians fleeing war coming here, but you you flee the Taliban, ayatollah Khamanei, civil war in Sudan, war in Eritrean which the majority are coming from that isn’t ok.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran we have had a direct hand in de stabilising in my lifetime. |  |
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| Anyone you know? on 09:35 - Sep 16 with 290 views | Leaky |
| Anyone you know? on 08:45 - Sep 16 by giant_stow |
The idea that staying in a hotel and not having anything to do or any money to spend is a luxury is crazy town. Think about it - would you fancy having no real space, no mission in life or nothing to do but hang around on street corners? Sounds like the opposite of the good life to me at least. [Post edited 16 Sep 8:47]
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Well they could have stayed in a tent on the French coast, I know what I would prefer | | | |
| Anyone you know? on 09:37 - Sep 16 with 265 views | noggin |
| Anyone you know? on 09:35 - Sep 16 by Leaky |
Well they could have stayed in a tent on the French coast, I know what I would prefer |
Yeah, you would prefer they stayed in France. | |
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| Anyone you know? on 09:37 - Sep 16 with 264 views | positivity |
| Anyone you know? on 09:35 - Sep 16 by Leaky |
Well they could have stayed in a tent on the French coast, I know what I would prefer |
you're welcome to try it for a week, it's not exactly glamping... | |
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| Anyone you know? on 09:38 - Sep 16 with 255 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone you know? on 09:35 - Sep 16 by Leaky |
Well they could have stayed in a tent on the French coast, I know what I would prefer |
So basically you think every other country should deal with the issue, except us? | |
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| Anyone you know? on 09:42 - Sep 16 with 216 views | LeoMuff |
| Anyone you know? on 09:35 - Sep 16 by Leaky |
Well they could have stayed in a tent on the French coast, I know what I would prefer |
Why would they ? if you don’t speak French you are not going to make another life. | |
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