| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. 17:57 - Sep 18 with 3630 views | MattinLondon |
The poll in question is a few days old but it makes for interesting reading - support for the royal family seems to be declining. I’m not expecting the country to become a republic within the next ten years (actually can’t see it happening within the next fifty years) but once the older generation dies out support for that particular institution might well fall sharply.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/monarchy-support-record-low-trum |  | | |  |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 11:20 - Sep 19 with 1309 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 11:08 - Sep 19 by Ryorry |
Yeah, cos most people in their mid 70s with serious health issues still regularly work in full employment  |
That is very obviously their own choice and they do it to protect the brand and the family.
'Stoic old billionaire works a bit to protect his family and keep the system that gives him a life of luxury.'
Hardly a noble example of putting the country first.
Your getting me all militant now!! I'm honestly not dead set at removing them, but that they are held up in any way as an example to the commoners to look up to is a bit vomit inducing!
I'd actually prefer they stepped back and retired similarly to us, pass on the baton, keep it fresh, small, more normal. As I said, this wouldn't be good for brand though. |  | | |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 12:31 - Sep 19 with 1094 views | Radlett_blue |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 11:20 - Sep 19 by Axeldalai_lama |
That is very obviously their own choice and they do it to protect the brand and the family.
'Stoic old billionaire works a bit to protect his family and keep the system that gives him a life of luxury.'
Hardly a noble example of putting the country first.
Your getting me all militant now!! I'm honestly not dead set at removing them, but that they are held up in any way as an example to the commoners to look up to is a bit vomit inducing!
I'd actually prefer they stepped back and retired similarly to us, pass on the baton, keep it fresh, small, more normal. As I said, this wouldn't be good for brand though. |
Indeed, I wouldn't mind the royals quite so much if they weren't the subject of endless media (and politicians) fawning over them. |  |
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| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 12:42 - Sep 19 with 1065 views | Ryorry |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 11:18 - Sep 19 by leitrimblue |
Would be nice to begin with if they were just held to the same laws as the rest of us
No abusing children
No handling stolen goods
No stealing of antiquities
Perhaps paying a bit of inheritance tax etc
Just the basics really |
Yeah, obviously all Presidents (who would presumably replace the royals if we went down the republican route) always follow those rules & never make new ones ensuring, eg, that they can't be impeached; or that if they are brought to a court of law for their crimes, those courts are filled with judges who are their allies/sympathisers ... Etc. |  |
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| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 12:56 - Sep 19 with 1022 views | leitrimblue |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 12:42 - Sep 19 by Ryorry |
Yeah, obviously all Presidents (who would presumably replace the royals if we went down the republican route) always follow those rules & never make new ones ensuring, eg, that they can't be impeached; or that if they are brought to a court of law for their crimes, those courts are filled with judges who are their allies/sympathisers ... Etc. |
OK, so what you are suggesting is we should all turn a blind eye to the child abuse, theft of antiquities etc. Because any replacement for them may also have paedophiles in the family and attempt to get away with a bit of robbery?
I'm not sure that's the strongest argument for keeping this antiquated, elitist system in place.
Unless I misunderstand and you've gone full Red Ryorry and your suggesting that the elite/ruling class can't be trusted and we should eat them all. In that case I'm all with yer  |  | | |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 13:02 - Sep 19 with 997 views | J2BLUE |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 11:18 - Sep 19 by leitrimblue |
Would be nice to begin with if they were just held to the same laws as the rest of us
No abusing children
No handling stolen goods
No stealing of antiquities
Perhaps paying a bit of inheritance tax etc
Just the basics really |
I did wonder what Prince Andrew must be thinking about Trump's state visit. Both heavily connected to Epstein and a lot of smoke but no real proof* they ever did anything. One banished and one given our highest honour.
*I know they paid his accuser off that's still not proof (unless i've missed something). Lots of famous people seem to pay out. I'm sure some of it is just to avoid the hassle. |  |
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| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 13:26 - Sep 19 with 917 views | leitrimblue |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 13:02 - Sep 19 by J2BLUE |
I did wonder what Prince Andrew must be thinking about Trump's state visit. Both heavily connected to Epstein and a lot of smoke but no real proof* they ever did anything. One banished and one given our highest honour.
*I know they paid his accuser off that's still not proof (unless i've missed something). Lots of famous people seem to pay out. I'm sure some of it is just to avoid the hassle. |
I'd really like to see him sweating in court.. | | | |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 13:43 - Sep 19 with 882 views | J2BLUE |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 13:26 - Sep 19 by leitrimblue |
I'd really like to see him sweating in court.. |
Not to my taste but your fantasies are your own, mate. | |
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| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 14:54 - Sep 19 with 759 views | leitrimblue |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 13:43 - Sep 19 by J2BLUE |
Not to my taste but your fantasies are your own, mate. |
That's not really my favourite Royal fantasy. That would be the in which my cell door opens and the screw proudly announces, say hello to your new cell mate/ prison wife Leitrim. While Andy slowly wanders in sweating..  | | | |
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| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 15:07 - Sep 19 with 739 views | Ryorry |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 12:56 - Sep 19 by leitrimblue |
OK, so what you are suggesting is we should all turn a blind eye to the child abuse, theft of antiquities etc. Because any replacement for them may also have paedophiles in the family and attempt to get away with a bit of robbery?
I'm not sure that's the strongest argument for keeping this antiquated, elitist system in place.
Unless I misunderstand and you've gone full Red Ryorry and your suggesting that the elite/ruling class can't be trusted and we should eat them all. In that case I'm all with yer |
Pretty obviously (as my entire posting history on here has spelled out to any reasonable person reading it objectively) I have not & would never suggest any such things as are in your first para.
I believe you're one of the people who want our monarchy replaced with a republic, so what I'd like from you and others with the same view, is to come up with better alternative/s.
I have suggested on previous threads re monarchy v. republic, that local communities nominate individuals who've given sterling community service over years, to be put forward to a public vote, with the successful candidate being given a 'reign' of say 3 years each. | |
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| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 16:38 - Sep 19 with 621 views | glasso |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 10:59 - Sep 19 by Axeldalai_lama |
Nonsense. I'm sorry. But 'a lot more than most of us I reckon' is nonsense. A lot of these engagements are not full days of meetings and heavy duty work. Most of them are 'recieving' people for 20 minutes in their home or close by palace/ castle. Others are their own charity work, which though very admirable is not on our behalf as a British official.
If the average person could break up their work time by meetings and 'recieving' people, they'd have thousands of 'engagements' a year.
Whilst this is a little overblown as it's from the other extreme, this article explains a lot of such things.
https://www.republic.org.uk/hard_working_royals
Edit: I see that you were more talking about carbon footprint and travel side. So apologies if addressing a marginally different point. But overall the argument still stands. Those engagements mean very little as an objective statistic. [Post edited 19 Sep 11:10]
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Yeah I've had the 'pleasure' of attending a few Royal events through work and they mostly involve around 2,000 work hours for everybody else involved, and a 20 minute appearance from the Royals.
I wouldn't say they were lazy layabouts by any stretch, but all of these narratives put forward by the Government or the Royals themselves about how hard working they are and how much money they make our economy, are always pretty top-level without any serious depth.
I could do their job very easily. And to be honest, if I did it on MY wage, I'd be absolutely delighted, let alone on theirs. |  | | |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 17:45 - Sep 19 with 541 views | Ryorry |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 16:38 - Sep 19 by glasso |
Yeah I've had the 'pleasure' of attending a few Royal events through work and they mostly involve around 2,000 work hours for everybody else involved, and a 20 minute appearance from the Royals.
I wouldn't say they were lazy layabouts by any stretch, but all of these narratives put forward by the Government or the Royals themselves about how hard working they are and how much money they make our economy, are always pretty top-level without any serious depth.
I could do their job very easily. And to be honest, if I did it on MY wage, I'd be absolutely delighted, let alone on theirs. |
Each to their own, but I would genuinely prefer a life of 40-hour weeks scrubbing toilets for a cleaner’s pay, than have to paint on a smile, talk all the small talk, button my lips to remain polite in the presence of millions of people, never mind dumps like T.rump, and generally be subject to constant media scrutiny living in the goldfish bowl that the senior royals do. | |
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| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 18:15 - Sep 19 with 492 views | Mullet |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 18:11 - Sep 18 by Mullet |
They’re an appalling stain on our country. Wealth hoarding, paedo protecting, anachronistic affront to any modern country. |
Baffling that downvotes are launched in the face of facts.
I’ve not even suggested murdering them like France and Russia. |  |
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| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 18:30 - Sep 19 with 456 views | Ryorry |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 18:15 - Sep 19 by Mullet |
Baffling that downvotes are launched in the face of facts.
I’ve not even suggested murdering them like France and Russia. |
They’re humans, not robots.
Might as well get rid of all politicians, governments, businesses, organisations, religious bodies etc. if you’re going to go down that generalisations route of calling everything “a stain” that’s run by human beings and has flaws, including individuals who are bad apples.
An example from your own sector to illustrate what I mean -
“English schools have in the past employed members of staff who abused children. Therefore English schools are a stain on our country” ?? No, I wouldn’t go with that either. [Post edited 19 Sep 18:41]
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| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 19:16 - Sep 19 with 407 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 17:45 - Sep 19 by Ryorry |
Each to their own, but I would genuinely prefer a life of 40-hour weeks scrubbing toilets for a cleaner’s pay, than have to paint on a smile, talk all the small talk, button my lips to remain polite in the presence of millions of people, never mind dumps like T.rump, and generally be subject to constant media scrutiny living in the goldfish bowl that the senior royals do. |
Fair enough and completely entitled to your opinion.
I'm not specifically countering that they live the life of Riley, as your points have a little merit, but I think it's over stated. They do live the life of Riley though!
Many people have to button their lip and remain polite to all sorts of insufferable people for a lot less benefit than the royals as part of all of their job. I also think that the media scrutiny is much less than it admittedly once was. And they have plenty of space and options to avoid any scrutiny from the media, they don't like in a ground floor flat in Peckham!
Lastly they've been trained literally from birth that this is their job, they grow up with security, photographers, smiling, being platitudinous to everyone. As a commoner it may be an assault on the sensibilities admittedly, but that's never going to be the case for them. | | | |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 19:26 - Sep 19 with 395 views | Mullet |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 18:30 - Sep 19 by Ryorry |
They’re humans, not robots.
Might as well get rid of all politicians, governments, businesses, organisations, religious bodies etc. if you’re going to go down that generalisations route of calling everything “a stain” that’s run by human beings and has flaws, including individuals who are bad apples.
An example from your own sector to illustrate what I mean -
“English schools have in the past employed members of staff who abused children. Therefore English schools are a stain on our country” ?? No, I wouldn’t go with that either. [Post edited 19 Sep 18:41]
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English schools don’t pay people £12m and keep the paedo on.
You’re talking nonsense.
As for the robot thing, no idea what you’re on about. | |
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| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 20:30 - Sep 19 with 319 views | Ryorry |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 19:26 - Sep 19 by Mullet |
English schools don’t pay people £12m and keep the paedo on.
You’re talking nonsense.
As for the robot thing, no idea what you’re on about. |
Hardly “nonsense “.
The royals haven’t “kept the paedo on”. On the contrary, they stripped him of his royal title, duties and police protection. He got no inheritance from the Queen. He no longer appears in any aspect of public life except for occasional attendances at family funerals.
As for the £12m, I agree he should have been prosecuted, but see J2’s post on p1 re that. | |
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| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 20:34 - Sep 19 with 310 views | Mullet |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 20:30 - Sep 19 by Ryorry |
Hardly “nonsense “.
The royals haven’t “kept the paedo on”. On the contrary, they stripped him of his royal title, duties and police protection. He got no inheritance from the Queen. He no longer appears in any aspect of public life except for occasional attendances at family funerals.
As for the £12m, I agree he should have been prosecuted, but see J2’s post on p1 re that. |
Is he in jail? Or did they protect him?
Simple yes and no for these.
Then do the same for a person in a school guilty of the same thing. | |
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| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 20:35 - Sep 19 with 308 views | nrb1985 |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 18:15 - Sep 19 by Mullet |
Baffling that downvotes are launched in the face of facts.
I’ve not even suggested murdering them like France and Russia. |
“They’re an appalling stain on our society” is very much an opinion not a fact.
Suspect that’s what you’ve been downvoted for. | | | |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 20:42 - Sep 19 with 297 views | Mullet |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 20:35 - Sep 19 by nrb1985 |
“They’re an appalling stain on our society” is very much an opinion not a fact.
Suspect that’s what you’ve been downvoted for. |
No it’s not | |
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| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 20:57 - Sep 19 with 272 views | Coastalblue |
From what I understand one of the big criticisms of Wills at the moment is his work ethic and the fact that a phone cal can constitute a royal engagement?
On the other side of the coin my entire working life is spent with overseas visitors, multitudes of them annually, and a lot come here because of the Royals. I know people don't like to hear it, I know it's hard to quantify and there's no way of showing they produce what they cost, but I'm convinced they do these days having been the opposite previously.
They're a product and an industry. |  |
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| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 21:08 - Sep 19 with 242 views | brazil1982 |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 20:34 - Sep 19 by Mullet |
Is he in jail? Or did they protect him?
Simple yes and no for these.
Then do the same for a person in a school guilty of the same thing. |
Why would he be in jail? Guilty of what? What court? |  | | |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 22:16 - Sep 19 with 154 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 20:57 - Sep 19 by Coastalblue |
From what I understand one of the big criticisms of Wills at the moment is his work ethic and the fact that a phone cal can constitute a royal engagement?
On the other side of the coin my entire working life is spent with overseas visitors, multitudes of them annually, and a lot come here because of the Royals. I know people don't like to hear it, I know it's hard to quantify and there's no way of showing they produce what they cost, but I'm convinced they do these days having been the opposite previously.
They're a product and an industry. |
I am genuinely intrigued by the tourism thing and can't argue with your first hand experience.
I wonder what difference living breathing royals have. Do tourists come here because of the fact that Charles lives in Buckingham palace (not that he does!) or because it exists? And, whether tourism could be more commercialised without existing royals. Full access to all sites all year round etc. | | | |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 22:40 - Sep 19 with 131 views | Coastalblue |
| Quite an interesting poll regarding support for the royal family/ monarchy. on 22:16 - Sep 19 by Axeldalai_lama |
I am genuinely intrigued by the tourism thing and can't argue with your first hand experience.
I wonder what difference living breathing royals have. Do tourists come here because of the fact that Charles lives in Buckingham palace (not that he does!) or because it exists? And, whether tourism could be more commercialised without existing royals. Full access to all sites all year round etc. |
It's mind blowing to be honest, Australians, Canadians, Americans, lots of them are obsessed by the Royals, even those that perhaps have little day to day interest are still wanting to do the 'Royals thing' on their visit.
Windsor I would say is a much bigger draw than Buck Pally.
We got held up last week in traffic on the embankment, Police outriders then a car with Camilla in it, honestly I thought I would be mopping up about 12 pints of wee after including several cumudgeonly guys.
I never would have believed the effect they have on ordinary people, and was largely ambivalent toward them in the past, if anything slightly negative. | |
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