| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT 17:16 - Sep 20 with 3424 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
More poor stuff from our 30M+ CB pairing, what is going on this season? Literally costing us points and today we might just have dodged a bullet. I’ve also seen McAteer get in great positions about 12 times since he’s signed and he’s literally picked the wrong ball every single time on wasted the opportunity. Doesn’t take on anyone and crossing poor.
Need to really wake up, the lack of concentration is not acceptable.
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 17:21 - Sep 20 with 2523 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
2 very average players. Both of them had a few moments this season where their heads have completely gone and they have given away goals and big chances. Nowhere near good enough so far. |  |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 17:23 - Sep 20 with 2477 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 17:21 - Sep 20 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
2 very average players. Both of them had a few moments this season where their heads have completely gone and they have given away goals and big chances. Nowhere near good enough so far. |
Balls down the middle costing goals at this level in 3 or 4 games, inexcusable!
I remember the Burgess performance at Spurs 10 months ago and I just think he’s a better player, not always on the deck and a better left foot but what’s done is done, even if it was 18M apparent upgrade.
We need to wake the hell up! | |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 17:30 - Sep 20 with 2374 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 17:23 - Sep 20 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Balls down the middle costing goals at this level in 3 or 4 games, inexcusable!
I remember the Burgess performance at Spurs 10 months ago and I just think he’s a better player, not always on the deck and a better left foot but what’s done is done, even if it was 18M apparent upgrade.
We need to wake the hell up! |
Thing is. I remember Jacob Greaves in the championship last time and one thing he excelled at was winning first contacts. He had a better aerial win rate than Burgess. I dont know what's happened because I am seeing him getting pinned by strikers half his size, ending up on the floor under the slightest bit of pressure. It really is puzzling. | |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 17:34 - Sep 20 with 2287 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 17:30 - Sep 20 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Thing is. I remember Jacob Greaves in the championship last time and one thing he excelled at was winning first contacts. He had a better aerial win rate than Burgess. I dont know what's happened because I am seeing him getting pinned by strikers half his size, ending up on the floor under the slightest bit of pressure. It really is puzzling. |
Not good to be in mid September and looking at him for goals in at least 3 of the games either. | |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 17:41 - Sep 20 with 2200 views | Fartman |
Kipre is a ticking bomb - reckless and error prone. How on earth didn’t we offer Burgess a 3 year deal instead of loaning this Donkey.
Those two who played don’t have competition within our squad, unless Baggott are being elevated and performes well. |  |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 17:49 - Sep 20 with 2093 views | TheBoyBlue |
Anyone who isn't being disingenuous can see that we have been improving game by game, culminating in that 5-0 win against Sheffield United. Yes, they played into our hands and yes not everyone will allow us as much space, but nonetheless we showed that what can happen when it all clicks and now it has we can take that forward with confidence.
Today was really difficult to judge. In the first half with conditions tricky we were the better team, creating good chances, playing nice football. However, it's hard to do that the way the conditions got worse. How can you play quick flowing football if the ball keeps getting stuck in puddles? Yes, it's the same for both teams, but it turns the match into a lottery, you can't judge how we're playing in conditions like that. |  |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 17:54 - Sep 20 with 2015 views | TractorWood |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 17:49 - Sep 20 by TheBoyBlue |
Anyone who isn't being disingenuous can see that we have been improving game by game, culminating in that 5-0 win against Sheffield United. Yes, they played into our hands and yes not everyone will allow us as much space, but nonetheless we showed that what can happen when it all clicks and now it has we can take that forward with confidence.
Today was really difficult to judge. In the first half with conditions tricky we were the better team, creating good chances, playing nice football. However, it's hard to do that the way the conditions got worse. How can you play quick flowing football if the ball keeps getting stuck in puddles? Yes, it's the same for both teams, but it turns the match into a lottery, you can't judge how we're playing in conditions like that. |
Think that's pretty naive. Blades were absolutely awful. We'll only get a gift like that once a season. Ben Godfrey made that game about 3/4 more goals more comfortable than it should have been.
Our squad looks overpriced and totally disjointed. Manager only knows one way of playing which is fine but needs a steady and bought in playing staff. Which looks miles off. |  |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 18:03 - Sep 20 with 1958 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 17:49 - Sep 20 by TheBoyBlue |
Anyone who isn't being disingenuous can see that we have been improving game by game, culminating in that 5-0 win against Sheffield United. Yes, they played into our hands and yes not everyone will allow us as much space, but nonetheless we showed that what can happen when it all clicks and now it has we can take that forward with confidence.
Today was really difficult to judge. In the first half with conditions tricky we were the better team, creating good chances, playing nice football. However, it's hard to do that the way the conditions got worse. How can you play quick flowing football if the ball keeps getting stuck in puddles? Yes, it's the same for both teams, but it turns the match into a lottery, you can't judge how we're playing in conditions like that. |
Doesn’t matter if we have a lapse of concentration and concede. You’re being naive to these errors I’m afraid. | |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 18:28 - Sep 20 with 1808 views | TheBoyBlue |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 17:54 - Sep 20 by TractorWood |
Think that's pretty naive. Blades were absolutely awful. We'll only get a gift like that once a season. Ben Godfrey made that game about 3/4 more goals more comfortable than it should have been.
Our squad looks overpriced and totally disjointed. Manager only knows one way of playing which is fine but needs a steady and bought in playing staff. Which looks miles off. |
Well we'll see won't we. | |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 18:32 - Sep 20 with 1736 views | TheBoyBlue |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 18:03 - Sep 20 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Doesn’t matter if we have a lapse of concentration and concede. You’re being naive to these errors I’m afraid. |
So you believe we're never going to make mistakes? Defence and the occasional lapse hasn't been our problem, up front has been and now that is getting sorted. | |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 18:37 - Sep 20 with 1669 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 18:32 - Sep 20 by TheBoyBlue |
So you believe we're never going to make mistakes? Defence and the occasional lapse hasn't been our problem, up front has been and now that is getting sorted. |
Couldn’t disagree more.
We need to cut them out, it can undo controlling a game for 90% of the time, we should not be making one or two major errors a week like this.
It absolutely has been a problem. Burnley didn’t get promoted giving away crap goals away like this. We aren’t going to be as free scoring as 23/24 either. Look at all our goals against this year, some awful ones already. [Post edited 20 Sep 18:39]
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 18:50 - Sep 20 with 1582 views | LeoMuff |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 18:32 - Sep 20 by TheBoyBlue |
So you believe we're never going to make mistakes? Defence and the occasional lapse hasn't been our problem, up front has been and now that is getting sorted. |
Mistakes have cost us dear so far, we will face a lot of low block spoilers this season and leaking goals is a huge no no. It won’t be like last time when we just outscored them |  |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 18:55 - Sep 20 with 1541 views | TheBoyBlue |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 18:37 - Sep 20 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Couldn’t disagree more.
We need to cut them out, it can undo controlling a game for 90% of the time, we should not be making one or two major errors a week like this.
It absolutely has been a problem. Burnley didn’t get promoted giving away crap goals away like this. We aren’t going to be as free scoring as 23/24 either. Look at all our goals against this year, some awful ones already. [Post edited 20 Sep 18:39]
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Apart from Derby it's all been odd goals here and there, penalties which have been the only way for the opposition to score. Yes, we have to cut out mistakes, but I believe we will be more free scoring up front, which in turn will free up the pressure on the defence. Attack is the key. | |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 18:58 - Sep 20 with 1523 views | Dubtractor |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 18:55 - Sep 20 by TheBoyBlue |
Apart from Derby it's all been odd goals here and there, penalties which have been the only way for the opposition to score. Yes, we have to cut out mistakes, but I believe we will be more free scoring up front, which in turn will free up the pressure on the defence. Attack is the key. |
I think it's both. If we concede we allow opponents to manage the game, as both Preston and Derby did against us, which makes it trickier to score.
I'm 100% sure we'll hit a groove in a few weeks, and will be challenging at the top, but stopping conceding crap goals (or silly reds) will be an important part of that. |  |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 19:05 - Sep 20 with 1473 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 18:55 - Sep 20 by TheBoyBlue |
Apart from Derby it's all been odd goals here and there, penalties which have been the only way for the opposition to score. Yes, we have to cut out mistakes, but I believe we will be more free scoring up front, which in turn will free up the pressure on the defence. Attack is the key. |
Disagree, Birmingham, Southampton, Preston the conceding of the pen, all poor as well. A couple have come with us struggling to play out and players being out of position.
Palmer ha: to make a smart save first half after a terrible ball from O’Shea. Needs to tighten up, quickly. | |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 19:06 - Sep 20 with 1461 views | burnbudgiesburn |
We do need to see an improvement for sure, hopefully the partnership can develop with game time. And you are right, we can't afford the current ratio of games to sloppy error from nothing balls.
Though it has to be said (not from you) but am amazed how apparently Cam Burgess was as good as Baresi now he's not with us. I thought Cam was our most improved player under McKenna, and no worse than Jacob in the Prem - but let's not forget Jacob has made less appearances than Cam did when he was attrocious against Barrow and was getting turned by Joe Ironside at Cambridge. | | | |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 19:07 - Sep 20 with 1451 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 18:58 - Sep 20 by Dubtractor |
I think it's both. If we concede we allow opponents to manage the game, as both Preston and Derby did against us, which makes it trickier to score.
I'm 100% sure we'll hit a groove in a few weeks, and will be challenging at the top, but stopping conceding crap goals (or silly reds) will be an important part of that. |
Teams are playing us very differently than two years ago for obvious reasons. If we concede a goal that allows them to go into complete time wasting spoilers mode and we can at times struggle to break that down. Of course you’ll get a few goals every 15 games or so but it’s happening weekly right now, that’s my point. | |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 19:18 - Sep 20 with 1397 views | AlpineBlue |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 18:55 - Sep 20 by TheBoyBlue |
Apart from Derby it's all been odd goals here and there, penalties which have been the only way for the opposition to score. Yes, we have to cut out mistakes, but I believe we will be more free scoring up front, which in turn will free up the pressure on the defence. Attack is the key. |
Stop having sensible opinions. This is a bedwetters' forum post. | | | |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 19:23 - Sep 20 with 1368 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 19:18 - Sep 20 by AlpineBlue |
Stop having sensible opinions. This is a bedwetters' forum post. |
It’s not a sensible opinion our coach himself has called out plenty of other goals that we’ve conceded outside of Derby. | |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 19:53 - Sep 20 with 1250 views | itfcsuth |
Harsh on O’Shea, think he has shown his qualities.
Greaves looks miles off the pace for a promotion chasing side. |  | | |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 19:59 - Sep 20 with 1204 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 18:55 - Sep 20 by TheBoyBlue |
Apart from Derby it's all been odd goals here and there, penalties which have been the only way for the opposition to score. Yes, we have to cut out mistakes, but I believe we will be more free scoring up front, which in turn will free up the pressure on the defence. Attack is the key. |
We struggled to play out today, never mind attack. The contrast between the ability of Blackburn to play through us and us labouring to try and move the ball forward was stark. Blackburn also kept it very simple; quick passes and good movement. We had a tendency to dwell and then when we did get forward we often overplayed and ran into trouble. I’m not that keen on our zonal defence -it may work for all I know, but it makes us look passive and gives the opposition control. Luckily today Blackburn didn’t have much end product but they got into plenty of promising positions with relative ease. |  |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 20:15 - Sep 20 with 1103 views | DavoIPB |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 19:53 - Sep 20 by itfcsuth |
Harsh on O’Shea, think he has shown his qualities.
Greaves looks miles off the pace for a promotion chasing side. |
And yet, he is regularly rated as one of the best defenders in this division each week. | | | |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 20:18 - Sep 20 with 1087 views | Swailsey |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 19:18 - Sep 20 by AlpineBlue |
Stop having sensible opinions. This is a bedwetters' forum post. |
People are allowed to have measured opinions - of which there have been many. Some OTT stuff, but posts like that don’t help. You can’t just shut down debate because you disagree with it. [Post edited 20 Sep 20:20]
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 20:34 - Sep 20 with 977 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 20:18 - Sep 20 by Swailsey |
People are allowed to have measured opinions - of which there have been many. Some OTT stuff, but posts like that don’t help. You can’t just shut down debate because you disagree with it. [Post edited 20 Sep 20:20]
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It’s such a childish annoying phrase. I think it’s a fair question after some of the goals we have conceded. It’s frustrating because we basically aren’t conceding goals under any real pressure but gifting them. | |
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| Conditions obviously terrible, Ref as bad BUT on 20:34 - Sep 20 with 972 views | GlasgowBlue |
Just back from the match. Re the centre backs. Up until the sending off they were very comfortable and assured. Greaves and O’Shea won everything in the air and Greaves threw himself into every block
Our fans were at the other end from the sending off so hard to comment except to say that I don’t think people understand how hard it was to judge a ball over the top as there was very little bounce and no one was ever in control of the ball.
At half time I said to my boy what a great pairing they were. |  |
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