| We don't see much going this clubs way 04:20 - Sep 22 with 4167 views | muccletonjoe |
In the form of official rulings, so it does make me very apprehensive about this replay/ no replay with Blackburn. [Post edited 22 Sep 4:20]
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| We don't see much going this clubs way on 08:46 - Sep 22 with 2636 views | blueoutlook |
Yes,with you on this. I’m very doubtful it’s going to go our way. I don’t trust the EFL. Or the FA come to that. Now, if we were Liverpool,Man City, Chelsea, I’d feel very confident. |  | | |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 08:52 - Sep 22 with 2596 views | BluedanW |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 08:46 - Sep 22 by blueoutlook |
Yes,with you on this. I’m very doubtful it’s going to go our way. I don’t trust the EFL. Or the FA come to that. Now, if we were Liverpool,Man City, Chelsea, I’d feel very confident. |
What time do we find out? |  | | |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:11 - Sep 22 with 2480 views | muccletonjoe |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 08:52 - Sep 22 by BluedanW |
What time do we find out? |
This afternoon | | | |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:17 - Sep 22 with 2439 views | franz_tyson |
If if doesn't go our way..... I'd call it losing just the 1 point. In the game that was playable we didn't do enough to say we'd be winning. And Blackburn also had to deal with the conditions. We would have taken a draw after 79 mins where the game was.
It would be rough on us, but I'd say we lose out on 1 point, not 3.
Now that we've got the option of a rematch - it would feel a bit like we lose out on 3 if it doesn't happen as we've already convinced ourselves we'd win on a good pitch and good conditions. | | | |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:21 - Sep 22 with 2411 views | ElderGrizzly |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 08:46 - Sep 22 by blueoutlook |
Yes,with you on this. I’m very doubtful it’s going to go our way. I don’t trust the EFL. Or the FA come to that. Now, if we were Liverpool,Man City, Chelsea, I’d feel very confident. |
The FA rules are very clear. It's a full replay of the game.
The EFL rules are less clear, so it depends who rules the roost on this! |  | | |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:24 - Sep 22 with 2371 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Realistically, the "least fair" option is the one that benefits us the most - play the whole game again. It would be annoying to not get that as the outcome, but I can't see them making us do all that travelling for 10 minutes, so it wouldn't surprise me to see Blackburn be awarded the W. |  |
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| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:27 - Sep 22 with 2334 views | billlm |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:21 - Sep 22 by ElderGrizzly |
The FA rules are very clear. It's a full replay of the game.
The EFL rules are less clear, so it depends who rules the roost on this! |
Isn't that madness having different rules for the same game in the same country,
The FA is the institute of this lovely game,
How another league can make up there own rules beggars belief,
What a country, |  | | |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:33 - Sep 22 with 2302 views | gainsboroughblue |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:24 - Sep 22 by JammyDodgerrr |
Realistically, the "least fair" option is the one that benefits us the most - play the whole game again. It would be annoying to not get that as the outcome, but I can't see them making us do all that travelling for 10 minutes, so it wouldn't surprise me to see Blackburn be awarded the W. |
Maybe by not awarding them the win would give them a kick up the 'arris to sort their fecking drainage out. It wasn't the only game in the North-West on Saturday and none of the others were abandoned. They're supposed to be a second tier professional football club FFS.
We're the club who took players, officials and fans the other end of the country in severe conditions to come home again having not even completed a fixture. [Post edited 22 Sep 9:35]
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| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:37 - Sep 22 with 2247 views | HighgateBlue |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:21 - Sep 22 by ElderGrizzly |
The FA rules are very clear. It's a full replay of the game.
The EFL rules are less clear, so it depends who rules the roost on this! |
But is it actually true that the FA Rules mandate a full replay with no discretion? What about:
"Where it is to the advantage of the Competition, the Management Committee shall also be empowered to order the score at the time of an abandonment to stand." |  | | |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:40 - Sep 22 with 2220 views | Linners |
I get that, but any outcome other than a full replay would be absolute madness. Awarding them the points is impossible and replaying the last 10+ minutes logistically ridiculous.
It's tough on Blackburn, but that's life. |  | | |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:42 - Sep 22 with 2196 views | ElderGrizzly |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:37 - Sep 22 by HighgateBlue |
But is it actually true that the FA Rules mandate a full replay with no discretion? What about:
"Where it is to the advantage of the Competition, the Management Committee shall also be empowered to order the score at the time of an abandonment to stand." |
But it isn't to the advantage of the competition. It's to the advantage of Blackburn of course, but not competition integrity.
With one goal in it and probably best part of 20 minutes to play, it is clearly not just going to be awarded to Blackburn.
My take on that line is if it was the last game of the season and nothing riding on it etc, or a team was 5-0 up with 5 minutes to play etc then they might say it was for the advantage of the competition. [Post edited 22 Sep 9:42]
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| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:46 - Sep 22 with 2143 views | Guthrum |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:24 - Sep 22 by JammyDodgerrr |
Realistically, the "least fair" option is the one that benefits us the most - play the whole game again. It would be annoying to not get that as the outcome, but I can't see them making us do all that travelling for 10 minutes, so it wouldn't surprise me to see Blackburn be awarded the W. |
I wouldn't say that a replay is any less fair than the other options. Blackburn had snatched a somewhat fortuitous lead, but the outcome was far from certain and there was plenty of time left for further developments (11 minutes plus probably anonther 4 or 5 added on). It's not like they were all over us, dominant, with no fear for their own goal.
As we have experienced many times, having an extra man is by no means a decisive advantage.
Have we ever felt secure in the victory at 1 - 0 up with 10+ to go and the opposition pushing hard? |  |
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| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:47 - Sep 22 with 2137 views | homer_123 |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:11 - Sep 22 by muccletonjoe |
This afternoon |
Weather permitting. |  |
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| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:50 - Sep 22 with 2098 views | Guthrum |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:27 - Sep 22 by billlm |
Isn't that madness having different rules for the same game in the same country,
The FA is the institute of this lovely game,
How another league can make up there own rules beggars belief,
What a country, |
The FA runs the game, the EFL owns the specific competition.
Same as businesses can have their own terms and conditions on top of things mandated by the law and industry regulators. | |
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| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:54 - Sep 22 with 2009 views | franz_tyson |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:46 - Sep 22 by Guthrum |
I wouldn't say that a replay is any less fair than the other options. Blackburn had snatched a somewhat fortuitous lead, but the outcome was far from certain and there was plenty of time left for further developments (11 minutes plus probably anonther 4 or 5 added on). It's not like they were all over us, dominant, with no fear for their own goal.
As we have experienced many times, having an extra man is by no means a decisive advantage.
Have we ever felt secure in the victory at 1 - 0 up with 10+ to go and the opposition pushing hard? |
I can understand what you're saying, but if given the chance we'd all take being 1-0 up, a man up and the game at 79 mins. Let's not try and convince ourselves that we were in a dominant position.
In the position we were in, we'd happily take a point. And now we'd be looking at getting 3 points if the decision goes our way.
As someone says earlier, it's tough, but that's life. It's not really fair on Blackburn, but we'll take it. If we get a replay, we have won the lottery. Do we also have to win the moral argument, too? | | | |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:57 - Sep 22 with 1976 views | Bellevue_Blue |
There is no way this will be anything other than a full replay.
Giving them the win would set a seriously dangerous precedent that would spiral out of control. For example, you could just turn off the floodlights at 80 minutes to avoid playing the last 10 minutes.
It's impossible to recreate the game conditions and play the last 10 minutes. We would quite sensibly feign injury ensuring we can't field the same team rendering that option completely impossible.
There is only one option. | | | |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 10:00 - Sep 22 with 1928 views | positivity |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:57 - Sep 22 by Bellevue_Blue |
There is no way this will be anything other than a full replay.
Giving them the win would set a seriously dangerous precedent that would spiral out of control. For example, you could just turn off the floodlights at 80 minutes to avoid playing the last 10 minutes.
It's impossible to recreate the game conditions and play the last 10 minutes. We would quite sensibly feign injury ensuring we can't field the same team rendering that option completely impossible.
There is only one option. |
to recreate the conditions, the starters would need to play 79 minutes in a bog before being allowed to start the time remaining! [Post edited 22 Sep 10:01]
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| We don't see much going this clubs way on 10:04 - Sep 22 with 1853 views | ArnieM |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:17 - Sep 22 by franz_tyson |
If if doesn't go our way..... I'd call it losing just the 1 point. In the game that was playable we didn't do enough to say we'd be winning. And Blackburn also had to deal with the conditions. We would have taken a draw after 79 mins where the game was.
It would be rough on us, but I'd say we lose out on 1 point, not 3.
Now that we've got the option of a rematch - it would feel a bit like we lose out on 3 if it doesn't happen as we've already convinced ourselves we'd win on a good pitch and good conditions. |
I think the conditions suited Blackburn all afternoon. The game should have been called off by half time...... however you are right, they adapted better than we did. Town are incapable from changing from plan A! |  |
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| We don't see much going this clubs way on 10:17 - Sep 22 with 1753 views | NorthLondonBlue2 |
It wouldn’t be fair to award the win to Blackburn, as the club failed to ensure a playable surface for at least half of the match and deprived us of our customary late fight back.
A replay lets the dispute about the winner be determined where it should be, on the field, not in a meeting room or via challenges with lawyers etc.
In any case, the flooding issue at Blackburn was well known- the pitch drains into a river but the river was so swollen, there was nowhere for the water to go. A small investment in water pumps to cater for this scenario would have solved it and would prevent it from happening again. Hopefully in time for the replay! | | | |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 10:18 - Sep 22 with 1750 views | Guthrum |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:54 - Sep 22 by franz_tyson |
I can understand what you're saying, but if given the chance we'd all take being 1-0 up, a man up and the game at 79 mins. Let's not try and convince ourselves that we were in a dominant position.
In the position we were in, we'd happily take a point. And now we'd be looking at getting 3 points if the decision goes our way.
As someone says earlier, it's tough, but that's life. It's not really fair on Blackburn, but we'll take it. If we get a replay, we have won the lottery. Do we also have to win the moral argument, too? |
It's not what we'd take, but what is most even-handed. Which would be to start again in conditions which are not going to affect the ability of both sides to play the game, where the pitch isn't rapidly flooding.
There is no guarantee we would get three points and we've lost a regular starting player to red card suspension (plus a bunch of yellows), not like we gain automatically from a replay. | |
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| We don't see much going this clubs way on 10:20 - Sep 22 with 1709 views | Basuco |
The fact we had just brought on three attacking players and pushed Leif much higher up the pitch, Blackburn were making defensive changes, with 10 minutes left plus what would have been quite significant amount of added time with multiple lengthy substitutions, 7 or 8 minutes in my opinion, if the ref decided to add it of course, I think rule FA rule 20 (E)should apply.
But football does have a habit of applying rules in different ways with no rhyme or reason, also EFL and FA rules appear to be different as well, so anything could happen. |  | | |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 10:33 - Sep 22 with 1611 views | MattinLondon |
In circumstances such as this, authorities tend to rule in line with previous examples which means that the match will have to be replayed in full. Unless they want to open themselves up to future controversy, consistency should win out. That would be the sensible thing to do - but sensible and football do not always go hand-in-hand.
Maybe unfair on Blackburn but if they had sorted out their pitch then the playing conditions might well have been different (and possibly the score line as well). [Post edited 22 Sep 10:43]
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| We don't see much going this clubs way on 10:33 - Sep 22 with 1603 views | Basuco |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 10:17 - Sep 22 by NorthLondonBlue2 |
It wouldn’t be fair to award the win to Blackburn, as the club failed to ensure a playable surface for at least half of the match and deprived us of our customary late fight back.
A replay lets the dispute about the winner be determined where it should be, on the field, not in a meeting room or via challenges with lawyers etc.
In any case, the flooding issue at Blackburn was well known- the pitch drains into a river but the river was so swollen, there was nowhere for the water to go. A small investment in water pumps to cater for this scenario would have solved it and would prevent it from happening again. Hopefully in time for the replay! |
I couldn't believe how hard the pitch was as well, I have never before seen a water logged pitch that groundsmen were struggling to push a fork in more than an inch or two before, particularly in the penalty area in front of us. Also the groundsmen and home supporters knew the water had nowhere to go and the game was never going to resume.
It was funny seeing some of our players while applauding us kicking standing water at each other. | | | |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 10:42 - Sep 22 with 1477 views | Basuco |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 09:42 - Sep 22 by ElderGrizzly |
But it isn't to the advantage of the competition. It's to the advantage of Blackburn of course, but not competition integrity.
With one goal in it and probably best part of 20 minutes to play, it is clearly not just going to be awarded to Blackburn.
My take on that line is if it was the last game of the season and nothing riding on it etc, or a team was 5-0 up with 5 minutes to play etc then they might say it was for the advantage of the competition. [Post edited 22 Sep 9:42]
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It was an "act of God" that caused the abandonment, nothing to do either side, it depends what rule they apply and what interpretation is applied to that rule. So it could be outcome. | | | |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 10:48 - Sep 22 with 1411 views | MattinLondon |
| We don't see much going this clubs way on 10:42 - Sep 22 by Basuco |
It was an "act of God" that caused the abandonment, nothing to do either side, it depends what rule they apply and what interpretation is applied to that rule. So it could be outcome. |
God had nothing to do with it - Blackburns failure to provide adequate protection to their pitch was the main contributor to the game being abandoned. And their incompetence should come back to haunt them.
I do feel for their players as their efforts may well be discarded - but if we were 1-0 up and they were down to ten men then they would all be calling for a full reply. That’s football hypocrisy and that’s also another reason why it should be replayed in full. | | | |
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