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Solution to the small boats crisis apparently 15:59 - Sep 25 with 4887 views

They seem to be arguing making us all use digital ID will stop people using boats to claim asylum in the Uk.

Any excuse for some authoritarian stretch of the state into our personal lives eh.

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Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 19:25 - Sep 26 with 816 views

BanksterDebtSlave

So despite the ongoing drift towards right wing authoritarian governments many seem happy at the prospect of giving the state their biometric and dna details. Best you and your kids don't do anything 'illegal' at any point in our unknown future.

Oh and shame on Starmer for pretending that this is about "securing our borders!" I imagine this will further entrench the very people he's trying to win over in never supporting him and/or Labour.

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Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 20:02 - Sep 26 with 770 views

Clapham_Junction

Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 19:25 - Sep 26 by BanksterDebtSlave

Anyone who has a passport has given the state their biometric details. Anyone who has used the NHS has likely given far more.

Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 09:50 - Sep 28 with 560 views

SuperKieranMcKenna

Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 20:02 - Sep 26 by Clapham_Junction
Anyone who has a passport has given the state their biometric details. Anyone who has used the NHS has likely given far more.

I just can’t get passed the fact there is no real reason for this to exist or that it has no purpose.

You already have to provide ID to be employed and proof of immigration - not sure why so many are ignoring this point. It solves a problem that doesnt exist. I hope the backlash kills this off as it did for Blair.

Another £400m (probably multiply that 10 fold given it’s a Gov est), that could be spent on something worthwhile- how many GP’s could you employ for that - might even get to see one…

Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 10:28 - Sep 28 with 515 views

StokieBlue

Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 09:50 - Sep 28 by SuperKieranMcKenna

I think that once you have an operating system it's quite easy to expand it. Places like Estonia have had them for years and they are used for basically every public service. Agree that it doesn't do anything about the specific problems faced around migration.

This article highlights how, over time, it can be pretty useful.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/26/starmer-id-card-plan-has-caused-up

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Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 13:30 - Sep 28 with 458 views

DJR

Interesting to hear someone interviewed on LBC who has been involved in the development of this for which legislation has already been passed.

https://enablingdigitalidentity.blog.gov.uk/2025/06/20/uk-digital-identity-legis

EDIT: as regards the recently proposed ID system (which is different), here is more flesh on the bone.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/digital-id-scheme-explainer/digital-i

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Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 17:18 - Sep 28 with 376 views

FrimleyBlue

Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 09:50 - Sep 28 by SuperKieranMcKenna

Now, I've not thought about the consequences of it

But because the ID thing won't actually stop anyone hiring people just like NI, why doesn't the uk just become a cashless society. That way no one can have cash in hand, therfore companies won;t be able to get workers on the cheap as their books would show all paid out transactions from their accounts....

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Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 17:22 - Sep 28 with 376 views

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Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 09:50 - Sep 28 by SuperKieranMcKenna

You dont have to have id to be employed.

But if there is no excuse, because you have to register each employee against their digital id, it will take a good deal more courage for dodgy employers to ignroe the rules.

You will also get rid of all the nonsense and wasted time and effort dealing with false names given to authorities and police.

You also have the ability to link with Europe and identify people who have been in the country before, or who have applied for asylum elsewhere.

Lots of reasons why the Europeans keep saying to us "stop asking us to help you with immigration when you cant be arsed to have ID cards and help yourselves or to work with us effectively".

Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 18:31 - Sep 28 with 324 views

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Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 08:13 - Sep 29 with 207 views

The_Flashing_Smile

Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 17:18 - Sep 28 by FrimleyBlue
Now, I've not thought about the consequences of it But because the ID thing won't actually stop anyone hiring people just like NI, why doesn't the uk just become a cashless society. That way no one can have cash in hand, therfore companies won;t be able to get workers on the cheap as their books would show all paid out transactions from their accounts....

Because lots of people, such as the elderly and young, don't have credit cards.

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Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 08:28 - Sep 29 with 181 views

Swansea_Blue

Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 17:22 - Sep 28 by redrickstuhaart

You don’t need ID if you’re already employed before whenever the right to work checks were strengthened (edit - I’m way out on timings, it was late 2010s when the extra requirements came in), but anyone taking up a new job should legally go through a check which does require ID (passport and/or birth certification and visas if applicable, NI number for UK citizens).

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Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 11:21 - Sep 29 with 111 views

OldFart71

Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 16:32 - Sep 25 by Basuco

It is much easier to work illegally in the UK than in every other EU Country, the biggest driver in the rise in boat crossings were caused by leaving the EU. Or more exactly under the Dublin agreement, as under that no individual was legally allowed to apply for asylum in more than one EU Country and there was also a returns agreement as well, in fact 60,000 illegal immigrants were returned to France alone in the final year of EU membership.
I do feel that full biometric ID cards would make it much more difficult to employ illegal immigrants.

Virtually every form of I.D. is copied. Having your info on an app is open to phone theft and hacking.
If a person is illegally here and illegally working now i.d. cards won't make one iota of difference.It's always the easy way out. Simply fine companies a significant amount if proved they are taking on anyone without proper details of them.
If they for instance don't have an N.I. number then they aren't entitled to work. If they have a vehicle other than a bicycle then ask for insurance, tax and driving licence details.

Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 11:39 - Sep 29 with 75 views

Radlett_blue

Solution to the small boats crisis apparently on 17:22 - Sep 28 by redrickstuhaart

Indeed, and both Reform & the Tories are opposing this sensible measure, just because it's been brought in by Labour. The Tories are looking completely lost as they have no real plan to win back voters. It may be a long time until the next General Election, but the party could virtually disappear.

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