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I was at the game yesterday in the top of the cobbold and i witnessed something that i think shocked me more than anything ive seen from the fans around me in almost 50years of watching football!.. on the back row, the row behind me , infact standing right behind me was a kid id say about 11 years old and the language coming from the kids mouth was absolutely shocking..not just the F word, there was the C word, w@#n*#r, a youre sha@&ing your sister chant...every possible word you could think of and not just once or twice it was non stop the whole match. I was thinking to myself in the first half how can the parent allow that. At half time i turned around to look at them and i was so shocked to see that the kid was a girl!.. id seriously through that first half thought it was a boy, not that that wouldve made it right. How could a parent allow that?. The girl was with her dad and he joined in the chants with her occasionally!. Sitting next to me was a man with his son, who was asimilar age to this girl and i just felt sorry for them having to listen to that. I know you get bad language at football, its always been the case and always will be but hearing the worst of the worst comung from an 11 year old girl with her dad did actually shock me!
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Am i right to be shocked by this? on 13:16 - Oct 6 with 793 views
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 13:07 - Oct 6 by mellowblue
wokeism is a lot broader than just "slang, funny and sarcastic". The poster and you should know that. It is also a term that is not even 21st century. It goes back way further than that.
The poster clearly states their thoughts by stating there are words you can't use because of "wokeism". The example given is absolutely appalling and I'm shocked that anyone is sticking up for them
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Am i right to be shocked by this? on 13:23 - Oct 6 with 753 views
Offensive words are a weird thing, often different across areas geographically as well.
The C word is the ultimate in many places, but is also a term of endearment in some places, my partner is from not far out of Glasgow, it's not an offensive term to her, same with some of my working class neighbours in East London.
I totally get terms that are offensive relating to race, disability, sexuality or similar, but sexual swear words is such an odd concept. A set of sounds that some parts of society deem as unnacceptable.
My Mother would turn pale at the use of the C word btw so I'm not suggesting it's not offensive to some, more what a weird concept it is.
No idea when I began here, was a very long time ago. Previously known as Spirit_of_81. Love cheese, hate the colour of it, this is why it requires some blue in it.
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 11:41 - Oct 6 by Broadbent23
The English language has hundreds of words that are Slang, Funny and Sarcastic that are not used today because of Wokism. It is easier to follow the rules of Political Correctness. Instead of calling the player in yellow a right s*****c. They use the c word. On route to the station yesterday I was amazed how verbally controlled both sets of supporters were . Probably because the police would arrest someone for speaking their mind. As in the case of the recent free speech victims. Football supporters can be funny.
Damn those horrible wokists preventing a big brave boy like you from using words like sp***ic.
Game's gone / UWN / other nobheady sentiments
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Am i right to be shocked by this? on 13:50 - Oct 6 with 672 views
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 13:18 - Oct 6 by NedPlimpton
The poster clearly states their thoughts by stating there are words you can't use because of "wokeism". The example given is absolutely appalling and I'm shocked that anyone is sticking up for them
Christ on a bike, he is using it as an example, he is not advocating it's useage. It has never been recognized (in my lifetime) as a nice term and I doubt any member of TWTD would. At the end of the day wokeism in a broad sense shows how societies must change so as not to offend, what was acceptable or tolerated then becomes unacceptable. Not talking about the sp....c word per se. I believe he is promoting positive awareness. You believe what you like.
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Am i right to be shocked by this? on 14:05 - Oct 6 with 655 views
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 13:50 - Oct 6 by mellowblue
Christ on a bike, he is using it as an example, he is not advocating it's useage. It has never been recognized (in my lifetime) as a nice term and I doubt any member of TWTD would. At the end of the day wokeism in a broad sense shows how societies must change so as not to offend, what was acceptable or tolerated then becomes unacceptable. Not talking about the sp....c word per se. I believe he is promoting positive awareness. You believe what you like.
You're not even the person who made that comment so why are you getting so worked up about it
I've taken it at face value. They state that political correctness and wokeism means we can no longer use words like s*****c whereas myself and clearly a few others on here don't attribute that language change to wokeness but to common decency instead
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 14:05 - Oct 6 by NedPlimpton
You're not even the person who made that comment so why are you getting so worked up about it
I've taken it at face value. They state that political correctness and wokeism means we can no longer use words like s*****c whereas myself and clearly a few others on here don't attribute that language change to wokeness but to common decency instead
Something has to be the driving force that adapts our word useage in areas like race physical impairment etc, p/c or wokeism are merely the current terms for that driving force. As you say common decency and society then carries it forward. Woke actually goes back to the 30 's and was the expression black Americans used highlighting changes needed around racial intolerance and use of unacceptable words. I wasn't that worked up, but I just felt that the original poster was making a valid point in a not so sensible way. I felt the need to defend his character. I think you will agree that sensitive subjects need to be trod carefully as they can be fraught with misinterpretation. I am happy for you to disagree with me, broadly we are on the same page.
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Am i right to be shocked by this? on 15:23 - Oct 6 with 573 views
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 14:33 - Oct 6 by mellowblue
Something has to be the driving force that adapts our word useage in areas like race physical impairment etc, p/c or wokeism are merely the current terms for that driving force. As you say common decency and society then carries it forward. Woke actually goes back to the 30 's and was the expression black Americans used highlighting changes needed around racial intolerance and use of unacceptable words. I wasn't that worked up, but I just felt that the original poster was making a valid point in a not so sensible way. I felt the need to defend his character. I think you will agree that sensitive subjects need to be trod carefully as they can be fraught with misinterpretation. I am happy for you to disagree with me, broadly we are on the same page.
Fair enough and fully appreciate the measured response
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Am i right to be shocked by this? on 15:48 - Oct 6 with 549 views
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 12:33 - Oct 6 by J2BLUE
I mean judging the parent based on behaviour at football. If she's allowed to go around in everyday life like that then sure but we don't know that do we?
I don’t get to FPR much these days.
Took my 7 year old son to the Bristol Rovers game last season as couldn’t get tickets otherwise. He loved it. But we were in the south stand.
Reading this thread though and some peoples acceptance of bad language because it’s football is slightly depressing. Not sure I want my son subjected to knobbery just because it’s football.
I have generally held operational roles. Often trying to drive consistency from a team. Trying to tell a kid it is ok to F&C at a football match but nowhere else is nonsense. Doomed to failure. Crap parenting. End of.
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Am i right to be shocked by this? on 16:07 - Oct 6 with 519 views
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 15:53 - Oct 6 by djgooder
I don’t get to FPR much these days.
Took my 7 year old son to the Bristol Rovers game last season as couldn’t get tickets otherwise. He loved it. But we were in the south stand.
Reading this thread though and some peoples acceptance of bad language because it’s football is slightly depressing. Not sure I want my son subjected to knobbery just because it’s football.
I have generally held operational roles. Often trying to drive consistency from a team. Trying to tell a kid it is ok to F&C at a football match but nowhere else is nonsense. Doomed to failure. Crap parenting. End of.
Sorry but it is and always has been football; it has its own rules and traditions -including being a place where otherwise restrained adults can let off steam with some 'industrial' language (within reason obviously). To pretend otherwise is hypocritical. If you understandably don't want your 7-year old to hear it, then maybe just stick to family stands?
By the by, a general point (not particularly aimed at you) - I feel it's a bit off for people to call others out for "bad parenting" unless they've walked a mile in that parent's shoes. Nobody else knows what's been going on in those people's lives.
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 16:20 - Oct 6 by Ryorry
Sorry but it is and always has been football; it has its own rules and traditions -including being a place where otherwise restrained adults can let off steam with some 'industrial' language (within reason obviously). To pretend otherwise is hypocritical. If you understandably don't want your 7-year old to hear it, then maybe just stick to family stands?
By the by, a general point (not particularly aimed at you) - I feel it's a bit off for people to call others out for "bad parenting" unless they've walked a mile in that parent's shoes. Nobody else knows what's been going on in those people's lives.
100%
Never thought I'd be on the same side as your good self on this one Ryorry :-)
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 15:53 - Oct 6 by djgooder
I don’t get to FPR much these days.
Took my 7 year old son to the Bristol Rovers game last season as couldn’t get tickets otherwise. He loved it. But we were in the south stand.
Reading this thread though and some peoples acceptance of bad language because it’s football is slightly depressing. Not sure I want my son subjected to knobbery just because it’s football.
I have generally held operational roles. Often trying to drive consistency from a team. Trying to tell a kid it is ok to F&C at a football match but nowhere else is nonsense. Doomed to failure. Crap parenting. End of.
Maybe 'end of' for you but not for most people.
Hard to believe you were ever leading a team with that attitude. If you can't even allow other opinions on a public forum then I pity your team.
"I was at the game yesterday in the top of the cobbold and i witnessed something that i think shocked me more than anything ive seen from the fans around me in almost 50years of watching football!.. on the back row, the row behind me , infact standing right behind me was a kid id say about 11 years old and the language coming from the kids mouth was absolutely shocking..not just the F word, there was the C word, w@#n*#r, a youre sha@&ing your sister chant...every possible word you could think of and not just once or twice it was non stop the whole match. I was thinking to myself in the first half how can the parent allow that. At half time i turned around to look at them and i was so shocked to see that the kid was a girl!.. id seriously through that first half thought it was a boy, not that that wouldve made it right. How could a parent allow that?. The girl was with her dad and he joined in the chants with her occasionally!. Sitting next to me was a man with his son, who was asimilar age to this girl and i just felt sorry for them having to listen to that. I know you get bad language at football, its always been the case and always will be but hearing the worst of the worst comung from an 11 year old girl with her dad did actually shock me!"
Good language starts with sensible paragraphing, correct spelling and good punctuation. Once you get those right, the rest falls naturally into place.
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Am i right to be shocked by this? on 16:40 - Oct 6 with 422 views
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 16:37 - Oct 6 by Cafe_Newman
"I was at the game yesterday in the top of the cobbold and i witnessed something that i think shocked me more than anything ive seen from the fans around me in almost 50years of watching football!.. on the back row, the row behind me , infact standing right behind me was a kid id say about 11 years old and the language coming from the kids mouth was absolutely shocking..not just the F word, there was the C word, w@#n*#r, a youre sha@&ing your sister chant...every possible word you could think of and not just once or twice it was non stop the whole match. I was thinking to myself in the first half how can the parent allow that. At half time i turned around to look at them and i was so shocked to see that the kid was a girl!.. id seriously through that first half thought it was a boy, not that that wouldve made it right. How could a parent allow that?. The girl was with her dad and he joined in the chants with her occasionally!. Sitting next to me was a man with his son, who was asimilar age to this girl and i just felt sorry for them having to listen to that. I know you get bad language at football, its always been the case and always will be but hearing the worst of the worst comung from an 11 year old girl with her dad did actually shock me!"
Good language starts with sensible paragraphing, correct spelling and good punctuation. Once you get those right, the rest falls naturally into place.
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 09:05 - Oct 6 by J2BLUE
Not condoning it but some parents let their kids swear at football but not anywhere else. Just before we get too judgemental.
Personally I wouldn't if I had kids, at least to that extent but kids are going to hear plenty of swearing if they go to football.
Kids copy their parents. I was driving with my young son in the car & I shouted "Bloody policeman" after being irked by a traffic cop. My son echoed the comment a few minutes later, except that he said "Ploddy policeman" as if it was a story from Noddy.
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 16:42 - Oct 6 by Radlett_blue
Kids copy their parents. I was driving with my young son in the car & I shouted "Bloody policeman" after being irked by a traffic cop. My son echoed the comment a few minutes later, except that he said "Ploddy policeman" as if it was a story from Noddy.
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Am i right to be shocked by this? on 16:47 - Oct 6 with 404 views
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 16:42 - Oct 6 by Radlett_blue
Kids copy their parents. I was driving with my young son in the car & I shouted "Bloody policeman" after being irked by a traffic cop. My son echoed the comment a few minutes later, except that he said "Ploddy policeman" as if it was a story from Noddy.
You should get him into NWA - strike while the irons hot I reckon.
I was brought up not to swear, I don't like hearing it, but, working on building sites, I've gotten used to hearing it.
I do believe that most people who swear prolifically need to expand their vocabulary, as most points can be made emphatically without resorting to swearing and it is generally just good personal growth.
I don't like hearing the kind of swearing the OP discusses at football matches, and it is sad to see children learning a kind of crude tribalism that could easily lead them into really nasty chants, and even worse, if it's not kept in check.
However, every parent has the right to raise their child as they wish, as long as they adhere to the law and don't abuse them.
If that dad thinks his 11 year old girl is being well brought up and doesn't mind the potty mouth, then what can anyone else do?
It's a fine line between finding things offensive and resorting to Karen/Kevin behaviour.
So yeah, hate it myself, but it's out there, I tolerate it in silence.
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 16:29 - Oct 6 by J2BLUE
Maybe 'end of' for you but not for most people.
Hard to believe you were ever leading a team with that attitude. If you can't even allow other opinions on a public forum then I pity your team.
Part of being a leader is having a standard and maintaining it. Being consistent.
The overall reference was aimed at the behaviour of the child and then the influence of the parent. Then some referring that it was ok for children to swear at a match but not elsewhere. That is where the leadership reference comes in.
And I have no issues with other people having opinions. But my opinion is that if a parent is openly encouraging their child to swear it is bad parenting. End of. For me I could never see it otherwise, you feel free to recognise it otherwise.
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Am i right to be shocked by this? on 19:38 - Oct 6 with 299 views
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 18:42 - Oct 6 by Hugoagogo_Reborn
Well, I'll add my two penneth.
I was brought up not to swear, I don't like hearing it, but, working on building sites, I've gotten used to hearing it.
I do believe that most people who swear prolifically need to expand their vocabulary, as most points can be made emphatically without resorting to swearing and it is generally just good personal growth.
I don't like hearing the kind of swearing the OP discusses at football matches, and it is sad to see children learning a kind of crude tribalism that could easily lead them into really nasty chants, and even worse, if it's not kept in check.
However, every parent has the right to raise their child as they wish, as long as they adhere to the law and don't abuse them.
If that dad thinks his 11 year old girl is being well brought up and doesn't mind the potty mouth, then what can anyone else do?
It's a fine line between finding things offensive and resorting to Karen/Kevin behaviour.
So yeah, hate it myself, but it's out there, I tolerate it in silence.
The thing is though, that until Bankster revealed his grandparenthood (assuming he was being serious), no-one knew whether the kid was raised by parents, guardians, foster-parents, or in care; nor does anyone know the child's history, including any medical issues.
Agree with you about the value of people extending their vocabularies though; and that goes further than swearing. The more people are able to epress themselves verbally, the less likely they are to take a swing (or worse) because they can't find the words in heated situations.
Am i right to be shocked by this? on 16:20 - Oct 6 by Ryorry
Sorry but it is and always has been football; it has its own rules and traditions -including being a place where otherwise restrained adults can let off steam with some 'industrial' language (within reason obviously). To pretend otherwise is hypocritical. If you understandably don't want your 7-year old to hear it, then maybe just stick to family stands?
By the by, a general point (not particularly aimed at you) - I feel it's a bit off for people to call others out for "bad parenting" unless they've walked a mile in that parent's shoes. Nobody else knows what's been going on in those people's lives.
It is true that you don’t always know what’s going on behind someone’s front door and I agree there can be challenging circumstances and family makeups. It is too easy to judge and I am guilty of that too.
However, still does not sit well that when a child is swearing the adult actively encourages it. Or certainly does nothing to correct.
the South stand was fine, but yes, I almost didn’t take him when I realised the family areas were full.
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