| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? 08:22 - Oct 9 with 3561 views | bluelagos |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 12:34 - Oct 9 with 790 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:05 - Oct 9 by Guthrum |
Teddy Roosevelt got it for not much more (being the US President who hosted the peace conference which ended the Russo-Japanese War).
Just six years ago, Abiy Ahmed got it for ending a border war, shortly before conducting a bloody internal conflict and domestic political repression. |
And it went downhill for Aung San Suu Kyi after she received the Nobel prize. |  |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 20:26 - Oct 9 with 679 views | 1Warky |
It's obviously a close call between this and the Nobel Prize for Literature. |  | | |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 20:35 - Oct 9 with 658 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:39 - Oct 9 by DJR |
It's probably too early to say but were there to be a lasting peace, why not?
It is certainly significant that the hostage families are praising Trump not Netanyahu, who has scuppered every proposal up till now. |
Potentially yes, even if his methods are irregular. On the other hand it seems a bit perverse giving it to someone who’s increasingly defying the law and showing authoritarian tendencies and who would have been up in court for inciting a resurrection if not for a political slight of hand. |  |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 20:41 - Oct 9 with 643 views | DJR |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 20:26 - Oct 9 by 1Warky |
It's obviously a close call between this and the Nobel Prize for Literature. |
I think Robert Kennedy Jnr is a shoe-in for next year's medicine prize. |  | | |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 20:50 - Oct 9 with 629 views | reusersfreekicks |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:39 - Oct 9 by DJR |
It's probably too early to say but were there to be a lasting peace, why not?
It is certainly significant that the hostage families are praising Trump not Netanyahu, who has scuppered every proposal up till now. |
Really!!
Holy sh1t |  | | |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 21:55 - Oct 9 with 606 views | lowhouseblue |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:17 - Oct 9 by DJR |
According to Kamala Harris, Biden did much the same, as did Western governments until relatively recently.
EDIT: an extract from the article I linked above.
Yet, however entrenched the mutual hatreds, a consensus is building across the west that this conflict was desperately mishandled, including by European leaders who initially ceded responsibility to a US Democratic administration that romanticised modern Israel, misread how its government might react to the horror of 7 October – and how that would polarise the west.
Indeed, the mea culpas and self-justifications have been streaming out of Joe Biden’s former team. In her book on her doomed bid to become president, Kamala Harris writes: “I had pleaded with Joe, when he spoke publicly on this issue, to extend the same empathy he showed to the suffering of Ukrainians to the suffering of innocent Gazan civilians. But he couldn’t do it: while he could passionately state ‘I am a Zionist’, his remarks about innocent Palestinians came off as inadequate and forced.”
She adds that Benjamin Netanyahu never repaid the loyalty that Biden had shown because he wanted Donald Trump in the seat opposite him.
At its most generous, the Democrats misread the power dynamics. “We did not act like a superpower,” Andrew Miller, a former deputy assistant secretary of state for Israeli-Palestinian affairs, said recently. “Instead of beginning from the proposition that these were problems we could solve, we persuaded ourselves that there was little we could do to move our regional ally Israel.”
Trump did not have that inferiority complex. He used his unpredictability as his greatest diplomatic weapon but, like Biden, his special envoy Steve Witkoff became bogged down in trying to find a formula that guaranteed the release of all the hostages without Israel resuming the fighting, as it did in March this year. [Post edited 9 Oct 10:39]
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'She adds that Benjamin Netanyahu never repaid the loyalty that Biden had shown because he wanted Donald Trump in the seat opposite him.'
true. but what i don't understand is how netanyahu can survive any peace. surely if the process proceeds the coalition supporting him is gone. and then so is he. that is either a threat to the process past stage one, or offers the hope of some wider and more fundamental and genuine change? |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 22:02 - Oct 9 with 582 views | WeWereZombies |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 20:35 - Oct 9 by Swansea_Blue |
Potentially yes, even if his methods are irregular. On the other hand it seems a bit perverse giving it to someone who’s increasingly defying the law and showing authoritarian tendencies and who would have been up in court for inciting a resurrection if not for a political slight of hand. |
So unfair that Jesus went and experienced an insurrection after appearing in court... |  |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:11 - Oct 10 with 494 views | blueasfook |
Fair play to him, hes been instrumental in brokering a ceasefire. |  |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:17 - Oct 10 with 486 views | DJR |
The first paragraph of this intro to an article by the Guardian's diplomatic editor made me laugh.
"It is a well-known adage in politics that success has many parents, but failure is an orphan. Except when Donald Trump is involved, in which case there is only one parent.
Nevertheless, many countries and individuals have a right to step forward to claim an authorial role in the deal that it is hoped will bring an end to the two-year war in Gaza." | | | |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:23 - Oct 10 with 467 views | iamatractorboy |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 20:26 - Oct 9 by 1Warky |
It's obviously a close call between this and the Nobel Prize for Literature. |
Good shout. He is excellent at making things up. | | | |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:28 - Oct 10 with 451 views | blueasfook |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:17 - Oct 10 by DJR |
The first paragraph of this intro to an article by the Guardian's diplomatic editor made me laugh.
"It is a well-known adage in politics that success has many parents, but failure is an orphan. Except when Donald Trump is involved, in which case there is only one parent.
Nevertheless, many countries and individuals have a right to step forward to claim an authorial role in the deal that it is hoped will bring an end to the two-year war in Gaza." |
So the author has a hard time accepting Donald Trump achieved something basically? [Post edited 10 Oct 8:30]
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:30 - Oct 10 with 436 views | DJR |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:28 - Oct 10 by blueasfook |
So the author has a hard time accepting Donald Trump achieved something basically? [Post edited 10 Oct 8:30]
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Take it up with him, not me.  [Post edited 10 Oct 8:30]
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:33 - Oct 10 with 423 views | DJR |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:31 - Oct 10 by blueasfook |
I will, I am on the phone to The Guardian as we speak lol |
I'm sure he'll be interested in your input. | | | |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:34 - Oct 10 with 419 views | blueasfook |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:33 - Oct 10 by DJR |
I'm sure he'll be interested in your input. |
No, of course he won't. He's had his £500 for writing some snooty guff. | |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:41 - Oct 10 with 391 views | DJR |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:34 - Oct 10 by blueasfook |
No, of course he won't. He's had his £500 for writing some snooty guff. |
When these sort of events happen, I find it interesting to read the comments of people with a bit of knowledge of the background on the diplomatic front, whatever their stance.
Indeed, I would be more than happy to read articles in equivalent broadsheet newspapers but unlike the Guardian, they are pay-walled.
And today's Haaretz is a very interesting read: I have access to it through Press Reader and read it every day. [Post edited 10 Oct 8:43]
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 09:00 - Oct 10 with 370 views | blueasfook |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:41 - Oct 10 by DJR |
When these sort of events happen, I find it interesting to read the comments of people with a bit of knowledge of the background on the diplomatic front, whatever their stance.
Indeed, I would be more than happy to read articles in equivalent broadsheet newspapers but unlike the Guardian, they are pay-walled.
And today's Haaretz is a very interesting read: I have access to it through Press Reader and read it every day. [Post edited 10 Oct 8:43]
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Agree. But i think it's fair to let DT take the credit for this one. BBC seem to be putting it down to his peace plan that was accepted. I think we can all agree the UN has proved absolutely pointless once again. | |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 09:05 - Oct 10 with 351 views | Pinewoodblue |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 08:11 - Oct 10 by blueasfook |
Fair play to him, hes been instrumental in brokering a ceasefire. |
In baseball terms he has got to first base. There is a long way to go .
How long before Trump loses interest. |  |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 09:06 - Oct 10 with 354 views | DJR |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 09:00 - Oct 10 by blueasfook |
Agree. But i think it's fair to let DT take the credit for this one. BBC seem to be putting it down to his peace plan that was accepted. I think we can all agree the UN has proved absolutely pointless once again. |
Did you not see my answer early on in this thread to the question in the OP?
"It's probably too early to say but were there to be a lasting peace, why not?
It is certainly significant that the hostage families are praising Trump not Netanyahu, who has scuppered every proposal up till now." | | | |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 09:07 - Oct 10 with 350 views | blueasfook |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 09:06 - Oct 10 by DJR |
Did you not see my answer early on in this thread to the question in the OP?
"It's probably too early to say but were there to be a lasting peace, why not?
It is certainly significant that the hostage families are praising Trump not Netanyahu, who has scuppered every proposal up till now." |
No, I didnt read much of this thread as I imagined it would just be a Trump bashing session | |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 09:34 - Oct 10 with 285 views | Blueschev |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 09:05 - Oct 10 by Pinewoodblue |
In baseball terms he has got to first base. There is a long way to go .
How long before Trump loses interest. |
It'll be interesting to see Trump's reaction to not winning the Nobel Peace Prize, and the effect that may have on his interest in this conflict. |  | | |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 09:46 - Oct 10 with 271 views | baxterbasics |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 09:34 - Oct 10 by Blueschev |
It'll be interesting to see Trump's reaction to not winning the Nobel Peace Prize, and the effect that may have on his interest in this conflict. |
I dunno, his desire for beachfront resorts might keep him involved for a while longer. |  |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 09:57 - Oct 10 with 248 views | giant_stow |
If Trump doesn't win it, what's the odds he tells Netanyahu to restart his war? |  |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:07 - Oct 10 with 213 views | Perublue |
Well deserved .. amazing woman |  |
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