| Dara O’Shea 10:21 - Oct 22 with 7385 views | The_Romford_Blue |
The most overrated footballer in the history of this club. And that first goal was the single worst bit of defending I’ve ever seen in my life. Absolutely schoolboy stuff from supposedly an experienced international.
His leadership or lack of is one of our fundamental problems as well |  |
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| Dara O’Shea on 14:47 - Oct 22 with 1113 views | chantryblueboy |
| Dara O’Shea on 14:38 - Oct 22 by DavoIPB |
He is a really good defender and got a lot right last night. However seemed to lose his head midway through second half, not sure why. He has absolutely no cover as well. It is literally him or him and Grieves as our defence sometimes against three attackers. Can't compare to Wolfy, O'Shea is head and shoulders ahead of Wolfy in positioning and strength. |
He’s nowhere near Wolfy positionally. Not just because he’s in Coventry, his positioning is way better than O’Shea’s |  | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 14:52 - Oct 22 with 1080 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Dara O’Shea on 14:47 - Oct 22 by chantryblueboy |
He’s nowhere near Wolfy positionally. Not just because he’s in Coventry, his positioning is way better than O’Shea’s |
Agreed. Wolfy rarely had to do the last ditch stuff. O shea for Burnley conceded 78 goals in the season. With us over 80 in the prem. 2 a game. | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 14:54 - Oct 22 with 1068 views | chantryblueboy |
| Dara O’Shea on 14:52 - Oct 22 by redrickstuhaart |
Agreed. Wolfy rarely had to do the last ditch stuff. O shea for Burnley conceded 78 goals in the season. With us over 80 in the prem. 2 a game. |
Think that’s why people rate O’Shea, the last ditch stuff, because it looks amazing when it comes off. I think it’s a sign of a crap defender if you have to do stuff like that often | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 14:56 - Oct 22 with 1048 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Dara O’Shea on 14:26 - Oct 22 by itfcsuth |
I think that’s a bit extreme, he’s had some really difficult moments already this season, but over the course of his 18 months he’s show his qualities. |
Really? Defences with him in the middle conceded two a game between 2023 and now. | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 15:18 - Oct 22 with 988 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Dara O’Shea on 14:52 - Oct 22 by redrickstuhaart |
Agreed. Wolfy rarely had to do the last ditch stuff. O shea for Burnley conceded 78 goals in the season. With us over 80 in the prem. 2 a game. |
2 a Game in the prem
If you compare the last time oshea played championship he conceded less goals in the brom side than wolfy and burgess did with town in 23/24
Also, again as KM mentioned last night too, up until boro, we still had the 2nd best xga in the league this season, and that's with oshea in it.
Maybe switching between CB partners and Fullback partners didn't help?
As a Cb last night, you've got another rb coming in, another cb coming in, another dm working with you and a keeper who you've not actually played with before behind you..
Maybe just maybe he had to much confidence in walton to save any shot made when he covered the right foot shot and put the striker onto his left, maybe that was the strikers weak foot and defensively it made more sense to see him to that side.
lots of maybes
But also looking back at the first goal, long ball up pitch, he's facing the sky, rightfully watching the flight of the ball and heads it where Azor would have been last week and tbh a sensible area of the pitch in normal circumstances, young didnt help in that situation as he should have tucked in which would have picked up the header by oshea. i also wonder if greaves should have come over prior to the shot which would have enabled oshea to move further to the left too. a little details.
2nd goal the fella was offside near post, but akpom was terrible there and allowed the runner to go past him
Third goal which was off, davis was against 4 charlton lads and again akpom ignores it, and cajuste doesn't move either till its too late.
So actually apart from oshea maybe backtracking to much, what else is he to be blamed for?
he had a mare last night, not gonna sugercoat it, but bringing up prem stats and comparing them to championship doesnt make sense
btw, we still have the third best XGA in the league [Post edited 22 Oct 15:45]
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| Dara O’Shea on 15:23 - Oct 22 with 964 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Think that is a little OTT tbh but I mean considering Ireland have not qualified for anything in about a century and we have half their starting 11 it does concern me a bit with the cash we have thrown around.
O'Shea is highly experienced at this level and played a decent amount of PL football as well. However, the last two sentences I struggle to disagree with. [Post edited 22 Oct 15:26]
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| Dara O’Shea on 15:26 - Oct 22 with 944 views | BlueForYou |
I'd have kept Burgess & made him captain. Then find two proper centre halves to support him. Oshea, Greaves, Woolfenden, all been found out. |  | | |
| Dara O’Shea (n/t) on 15:28 - Oct 22 with 928 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Dara O’Shea on 15:26 - Oct 22 by BlueForYou |
I'd have kept Burgess & made him captain. Then find two proper centre halves to support him. Oshea, Greaves, Woolfenden, all been found out. |
What's done is done but neither of them let us down in the PL and I actually though Burgess was really decent. [Post edited 22 Oct 15:28]
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| Dara O’Shea on 15:33 - Oct 22 with 894 views | chantryblueboy |
| Dara O’Shea on 15:18 - Oct 22 by FrimleyBlue |
2 a Game in the prem
If you compare the last time oshea played championship he conceded less goals in the brom side than wolfy and burgess did with town in 23/24
Also, again as KM mentioned last night too, up until boro, we still had the 2nd best xga in the league this season, and that's with oshea in it.
Maybe switching between CB partners and Fullback partners didn't help?
As a Cb last night, you've got another rb coming in, another cb coming in, another dm working with you and a keeper who you've not actually played with before behind you..
Maybe just maybe he had to much confidence in walton to save any shot made when he covered the right foot shot and put the striker onto his left, maybe that was the strikers weak foot and defensively it made more sense to see him to that side.
lots of maybes
But also looking back at the first goal, long ball up pitch, he's facing the sky, rightfully watching the flight of the ball and heads it where Azor would have been last week and tbh a sensible area of the pitch in normal circumstances, young didnt help in that situation as he should have tucked in which would have picked up the header by oshea. i also wonder if greaves should have come over prior to the shot which would have enabled oshea to move further to the left too. a little details.
2nd goal the fella was offside near post, but akpom was terrible there and allowed the runner to go past him
Third goal which was off, davis was against 4 charlton lads and again akpom ignores it, and cajuste doesn't move either till its too late.
So actually apart from oshea maybe backtracking to much, what else is he to be blamed for?
he had a mare last night, not gonna sugercoat it, but bringing up prem stats and comparing them to championship doesnt make sense
btw, we still have the third best XGA in the league [Post edited 22 Oct 15:45]
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1 clean sheet in 10 games this season, 5 clean sheets in the first 10 games 23/24 | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 15:38 - Oct 22 with 876 views | JeremiahBrown |
I wonder if the defenders are trying too hard to score now and their defending is suffering because of it? | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 15:42 - Oct 22 with 853 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Dara O’Shea on 15:33 - Oct 22 by chantryblueboy |
1 clean sheet in 10 games this season, 5 clean sheets in the first 10 games 23/24 |
11 goals conceded 23/24 13 goals conceded 25/26
not a massive difference [Post edited 22 Oct 15:43]
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| Dara O’Shea on 15:51 - Oct 22 with 819 views | chantryblueboy |
| Dara O’Shea on 15:42 - Oct 22 by FrimleyBlue |
11 goals conceded 23/24 13 goals conceded 25/26
not a massive difference [Post edited 22 Oct 15:43]
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5 clean sheets and 1 clean sheet is a massive difference. We played completely different football home and away, home blowing teams out of the water and away being hard to beat. Have to have a very limited understanding of football to not see that and to revert back to the goals conceded stat | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 15:52 - Oct 22 with 807 views | DJR |
| Dara O’Shea on 15:38 - Oct 22 by JeremiahBrown |
I wonder if the defenders are trying too hard to score now and their defending is suffering because of it? |
I think Greaves is doing all he can to miss the target.  |  | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 16:06 - Oct 22 with 756 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Dara O’Shea on 15:51 - Oct 22 by chantryblueboy |
5 clean sheets and 1 clean sheet is a massive difference. We played completely different football home and away, home blowing teams out of the water and away being hard to beat. Have to have a very limited understanding of football to not see that and to revert back to the goals conceded stat |
you've got a very limited understanding if you're ignoring the XGA stats of this season to make your point about wolfy over oshea
how many set piece goals for example have we conceded this season, we blaming oshea for those too?
Bristol, palmer flaps at it
Pompy Kipre loses man
then the pen at preston, that on oshea too?
v brum greaves no mans land, is that on oshea?
So that's potentially 4 cleansheets there if it weren;t for individual errors of his team mates | |
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| Dara O’Shea on 16:09 - Oct 22 with 747 views | chantryblueboy |
| Dara O’Shea on 16:06 - Oct 22 by FrimleyBlue |
you've got a very limited understanding if you're ignoring the XGA stats of this season to make your point about wolfy over oshea
how many set piece goals for example have we conceded this season, we blaming oshea for those too?
Bristol, palmer flaps at it
Pompy Kipre loses man
then the pen at preston, that on oshea too?
v brum greaves no mans land, is that on oshea?
So that's potentially 4 cleansheets there if it weren;t for individual errors of his team mates |
Why would teams continue to attack us when they are beating us? That’s why our xgA looks so good, because teams start beating us and sit back. Again, very limited understanding to support the stats you wheel out | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 16:20 - Oct 22 with 714 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Dara O’Shea on 15:23 - Oct 22 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Think that is a little OTT tbh but I mean considering Ireland have not qualified for anything in about a century and we have half their starting 11 it does concern me a bit with the cash we have thrown around.
O'Shea is highly experienced at this level and played a decent amount of PL football as well. However, the last two sentences I struggle to disagree with. [Post edited 22 Oct 15:26]
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RoI play a similar game of one up front and playing it around at the back to no effect. | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 16:26 - Oct 22 with 703 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Dara O’Shea on 16:09 - Oct 22 by chantryblueboy |
Why would teams continue to attack us when they are beating us? That’s why our xgA looks so good, because teams start beating us and sit back. Again, very limited understanding to support the stats you wheel out |
you best get on the phone and tell KM that then mate as he talks about it too.
It looks good because they take the lead and sit back.......?
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brum 55th minute they scored - that's 55 minutes of 0-0 did they not try and attack? 11 shots to towns 7
southampton we took the lead in the 4th minute, did they throw the ball to our goal from their keeper?
Derby we lead - did derby get lucky by a plane taking the ball up the pitch to score?
sheff utd we lead, they were sht, dont know what this tells us lol
pompy we lead in the 9th minute
bristol ht 1-0 lead 13 shots
boro ht 1-0 lead 15 shots | |
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| Dara O’Shea on 16:26 - Oct 22 with 704 views | peterleeblue |
The same O Shea that was largely cited as one of the players that could compete at Premiership level.
For what its worth I thought at Boro that O Shea in particular had the ball at his feet looking to play into midfield on many occasions. Time and space on the ball and seemed somewhat lost as to what pass to play. That's when we miss the likes of Wolfenden IMHO.
Lets support these players - High Value, Yes - But still human and need our support not scapegoating. |  | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 16:27 - Oct 22 with 701 views | bazza |
| Dara O’Shea on 14:16 - Oct 22 by Chris_ITFC |
Single worst bit of defending?
Not even our worst bit in the last week. Cedric OG Kipre says hi. |
To be fair, O’Shea may as well have kicked it in himself. |  | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 16:42 - Oct 22 with 665 views | chantryblueboy |
| Dara O’Shea on 16:26 - Oct 22 by FrimleyBlue |
you best get on the phone and tell KM that then mate as he talks about it too.
It looks good because they take the lead and sit back.......?
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brum 55th minute they scored - that's 55 minutes of 0-0 did they not try and attack? 11 shots to towns 7
southampton we took the lead in the 4th minute, did they throw the ball to our goal from their keeper?
Derby we lead - did derby get lucky by a plane taking the ball up the pitch to score?
sheff utd we lead, they were sht, dont know what this tells us lol
pompy we lead in the 9th minute
bristol ht 1-0 lead 13 shots
boro ht 1-0 lead 15 shots |
What point are you making here?
We’ve conceded first every game away from home, we are one of the better teams at controlling possession (not necessarily a positive that can be attributed to the defence), teams are generally happy to beat us 1-0 and would rather sit back and defend a lead as we are perceived to be one of the better teams in the league
I never said there aren’t games where we’ve been really good (Sheff U and Scum being 2) | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 16:47 - Oct 22 with 653 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Dara O’Shea on 16:42 - Oct 22 by chantryblueboy |
What point are you making here?
We’ve conceded first every game away from home, we are one of the better teams at controlling possession (not necessarily a positive that can be attributed to the defence), teams are generally happy to beat us 1-0 and would rather sit back and defend a lead as we are perceived to be one of the better teams in the league
I never said there aren’t games where we’ve been really good (Sheff U and Scum being 2) |
My point is, did those teams literally not attack our goal in anyway until they scored then literally didn't attack our goal after they did....
Birmingham for example 0-0 at HT, did they not try and score in that half? did they not try and score after they scored, as the stats suggest they did
I'd say fair enough if the teams scored inside the first 5 minutes and sat on it for 85, but they haven't so not sure what point you're making as it's wrong.
I totally agree we should have kept more cleansheets, the opportunities were there, but that's not on oshea specifically which seems to be your point in that he's worse than wolfy because of cleansheets, yet you are happy to ignore other stats that go against your argument. | |
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| Dara O’Shea on 16:51 - Oct 22 with 640 views | chantryblueboy |
| Dara O’Shea on 16:47 - Oct 22 by FrimleyBlue |
My point is, did those teams literally not attack our goal in anyway until they scored then literally didn't attack our goal after they did....
Birmingham for example 0-0 at HT, did they not try and score in that half? did they not try and score after they scored, as the stats suggest they did
I'd say fair enough if the teams scored inside the first 5 minutes and sat on it for 85, but they haven't so not sure what point you're making as it's wrong.
I totally agree we should have kept more cleansheets, the opportunities were there, but that's not on oshea specifically which seems to be your point in that he's worse than wolfy because of cleansheets, yet you are happy to ignore other stats that go against your argument. |
I don’t think either of us are arguing that our xGA is 0, but I’ve explained in my last post why it is so low.
Dara O’Shea is a poor defender and captain. He is a downgrade on Wolfy both defensively and in what they offer us on the ball | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 17:05 - Oct 22 with 607 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Dara O’Shea on 16:26 - Oct 22 by peterleeblue |
The same O Shea that was largely cited as one of the players that could compete at Premiership level.
For what its worth I thought at Boro that O Shea in particular had the ball at his feet looking to play into midfield on many occasions. Time and space on the ball and seemed somewhat lost as to what pass to play. That's when we miss the likes of Wolfenden IMHO.
Lets support these players - High Value, Yes - But still human and need our support not scapegoating. |
Cited by whom? He had just been relegated in a team which went down because it conceded too many goals! | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 17:44 - Oct 22 with 569 views | pointofblue |
| Dara O’Shea on 12:09 - Oct 22 by cressi |
I won't that far but him and greaves poor partnership hardly worth 30 million more than the players we already had in the building |
I think this is the key issue for me.
Last season, I thought O'Shea and Burgess looked like a decent partnership, as did Woolfenden and Greaves early on. But for some reason, O'Shea and Greaves seem to lack an understanding. They're not there to cover and support each other. It's like we have two individuals on the pitch rather than a partnership. | |
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| Dara O’Shea on 21:11 - Oct 22 with 462 views | billlm |
What a load that is, |  | | |
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