| Hate 09:03 - Oct 30 with 10806 views | darkhorse28 |
I’ll take a knee and some time off the site. Maybe forever. Almost certainly forever.
I’ve supported the club for 45 years. Man and boy. But don’t want my opinions to spoil the enjoyment of others on the forum. Phil does an amazing job and don’t want to put him in a difficult position either.., it’s hard enough on here.
I will say the bullying, the hate, and the ‘one view or be destroyed’ tribalism on here at times is frankly pathetic…, the same people complaining about online hate, desperate to indulge in online hate. It’s interesting.
Their egos not capable of processing they could be wrong about McKenna, and don’t worry, you don’t know who you are, because there’s almost zero self awareness.
I only stated my opinion, based on facts…, I’ve a huge amount of time for KM, less so Mark Ashton, and KM sadly in context is the architect of his own downfall.
You can’t leverage so much investment, deliver so little with it, and still be a young manager needing patience, sadly, that’s not how football works today. We aren’t good relative to our investment, that’s doesn’t seem like conjecture anymore. Results sadly don’t lie. But the messenger has to be destroyed, it’s predictable, easier for many than dealing with the facts in front of us.
To those desperate to create an echo chamber…, with no alternative voices, that feels warm, safe, comforting, and makes you feel good about what may or may not be true.
You win.
Fingers crossed for promotion, I’d like new owners with real football oversight, that’s where the issues really are, we deserve to be established in the premier league, and I’ll never apologise for wanting that. I don’t see us as league one, I never will, we (almost) never have been. We DO deserve people not to hide behind that brief period, like it’s a shield to scrutiny.
And to my ‘many’ haters, good luck.
You won’t get the right answers by never listening, or exploring alternative views.
But ignorance is bliss…, you might be in a happy place.., and maybe that’s all that counts.., so enjoy that and good luck. And I hope you’re all right about Ashton being world class, I really do, that would be amazing.
UPPA TOWN
Right .., Ian Marshall Wig, check, Romeo Zondernan Fisons shirt and a copy of Mick Mcgivens guide to defensive shape …, and they said pretending to be an Ipswich fan would be cheap. Pfft.
Enjoy the ride chaps.
When I buy the club…, none of you will be banned, but some will be made to watch Mark Ashton play 5 aside in his Cyril Regis shirt.., just saying. [Post edited 30 Oct 9:04]
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| Hate on 11:00 - Oct 30 with 783 views | darkhorse28 |
| Hate on 10:00 - Oct 30 by Cafe_Newman |
I bet this thread won't be as popular as the other one about you.
As much as I recognise the hate your opinions have stirred here. It is to be expected, it's the same with any minority view which is repeatedly expressed by anyone, in any walk of life, anywhere.
At the end of the season, or the next, you might be proven right and you will be justified in wallowing in a certain level of smugness your incredible vision gave you. But every day before you are right, you will be wrong and that is what people will remember. And every day that it looks like you might be right you will be seen as a troll or a doomsayer and that is what people will remember.
Communities (particularly ones such as these) are generally self-censoring and while that is a shame in many cases, it's a function of lots of people with different views getting together. You're not following community norms whether or not those norms are fair or healthy to the community.
You have made your point and you have been incredibly successful in getting an audience but I don't see there's much point continuing with your view, especially if you are going to complain about receiving hate. This ain't the place.
Peace. |
Minority views are wrong and shouldn’t be tolerated…, I mean you’re right.., they aren’t tolerated.
They should be though.
I’d also be careful. Vocal and majority.., they aren’t the same thing.., genuinely I don’t get bothered by any of it. We have maybe millions of fans globally, can you imagine taking maybe 30 too seriously?? Or letting them instruct your opinions.
I do me very well.
‘I didn’t get where I am today’ .. I clearly don’t post to be liked., just my genuine opinions formed after much thought, through a prism which I promise is likely to be correct.
If McKenna joins Celtic. £250 million spent. Look at our squad. Certainly potential at this level.
Would you say mid table championship qualifies as world class level elite success for McKenna??
23/24 was unbelievable.., but as a body of work.., it wouldn’t reach that threshold would it.., and promising yourself he might be something sometime doesn’t reflect the investment we made in him.
Enjoy the ride though. | | | |
| Hate on 11:03 - Oct 30 with 772 views | darkhorse28 |
| Hate on 10:05 - Oct 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
This place is full of differing opinions. It's only the outlandish ones that get pounced on. |
You define what’s outlandish.
That’s the point. You really don’t.
You think Ashtons 35 year career is elite and world class - now that is more outlandish to me than the converse.
I mean I literally have 35 year of evidence.
You have a promotion from the EFL you need to make look like the peak of world football, good luck. | | | |
| Hate on 11:03 - Oct 30 with 770 views | Herbivore |
I hate long goodbyes. |  |
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| Hate on 11:05 - Oct 30 with 761 views | MrPotatoHead |
| Hate on 10:55 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
Not at all. It was wonderful.
The subsequent £200 plus investment and a salary that’s without reach of Slot and the best managers in world football.., you seem to be forgetting that context in your analysis of our journey.
If you stop at 23/24 I make you correct.
After spending so much on and off the field.., to yield what we have over 50 odd games.., I’d say anyone objectively would describe it as appalling, not poor, awful.
We don’t get to switch the computer off.
We have the liabilities and consequences now. They go nowhere.
It’s promotion or bust under the parachute payments. That’s it.
I’d rather we’d taken a very different approach:
It was a generational opportunity, and BUST was an outcome we could have easily avoided. I think ignorance around where we are at if we stay in the EFL is why a lot of people keep digging, that and ego..; we didn’t need to be in this position.
It’s not progress is it:
We’re in danger of measurably making Marcus look more succesful relative to investment. Not great is it. But you do you. I hope you’re right and I’m wrong. |
The assets far outweigh the liabilities.
The signings wont all come off, there isn't a club in world football that's achieved that. For every Delap and Hutchinson there will be an Ogbene and Muric where we would do well to get our money back. Its about the total, the portfolio for want of a better word.
According to Transfermarkt today's squad has a value of 200m EURO. Debatable if that's true, but you could certainly sell the whole squad off for 150m EURO I would think when Philogene, O'Shea & Davis would fetch 1/3 of that between them on a bad day.
The squad GameChanger inherited was worth a fraction of that, maybe 10%. They've added somewhere in the region of 150m EURO of net book value off a net spend some way under.
You're completely wrong on that point.
Whether we're performing as well as we should with the players we've got today compared to the rest of the field is a valid one, we're struggling to create against the Preston and Blackburn's of the world on much smaller budgets and that's where the pressure on McKenna comes from, and will continue to over coming months if we don't push up the division. Make no mistake the financial return on the investment is very solid thus far though, and promotion or bust is utter nonsense for someone dealing in 'facts'. |  | | |
| Hate on 11:07 - Oct 30 with 745 views | darkhorse28 |
| Hate on 10:57 - Oct 30 by trncbluearmy |
Pathetic isn't it
Boosting he's a successful businessman but cannot grasp the difference between net and gross spending [Post edited 30 Oct 10:58]
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I’m not. I retired. I’d focus on your own wealth building and skills, you don’t need to worry about mine.
Net we sold £80 million of talent, you laughed when I said we’d sell close to £100 million as Brett outlined. You might want to think about the WHY.
We pay our manger the same as 100% TV revenue at this level.., let me know how you think that works longer term.., Brett will be driving McKenna to Glasgow if he gets chance.
Where we are at as a club he doesn’t have much option..they took a huge risk.., the doubled down on poor decision, they won’t do the same again..they can’t.
We have a bit of road..opportunities still, but if you’ve seen enough to suggest we look likely to go up then fine. I haven’t. We have the quality players, but not convinced we’ve got the right mentality to be a success:
We’ll see. | | | |
| Hate on 11:09 - Oct 30 with 729 views | Illinoisblue |
| Hate on 11:00 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
Minority views are wrong and shouldn’t be tolerated…, I mean you’re right.., they aren’t tolerated.
They should be though.
I’d also be careful. Vocal and majority.., they aren’t the same thing.., genuinely I don’t get bothered by any of it. We have maybe millions of fans globally, can you imagine taking maybe 30 too seriously?? Or letting them instruct your opinions.
I do me very well.
‘I didn’t get where I am today’ .. I clearly don’t post to be liked., just my genuine opinions formed after much thought, through a prism which I promise is likely to be correct.
If McKenna joins Celtic. £250 million spent. Look at our squad. Certainly potential at this level.
Would you say mid table championship qualifies as world class level elite success for McKenna??
23/24 was unbelievable.., but as a body of work.., it wouldn’t reach that threshold would it.., and promising yourself he might be something sometime doesn’t reflect the investment we made in him.
Enjoy the ride though. |
“I don’t get bothered by any of it”. Lol and lol. |  |
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| Hate on 11:09 - Oct 30 with 721 views | darkhorse28 |
| Hate on 11:03 - Oct 30 by Herbivore |
I hate long goodbyes. |
I’m actually suprised to turned up to the leaving party, honoured in a way.
Only see you when we win.., never around to make your point when we don’t. True support.
I’ll miss your fragile ego the most. | | | |
| Hate on 11:10 - Oct 30 with 715 views | MrPotatoHead |
| Hate on 11:07 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
I’m not. I retired. I’d focus on your own wealth building and skills, you don’t need to worry about mine.
Net we sold £80 million of talent, you laughed when I said we’d sell close to £100 million as Brett outlined. You might want to think about the WHY.
We pay our manger the same as 100% TV revenue at this level.., let me know how you think that works longer term.., Brett will be driving McKenna to Glasgow if he gets chance.
Where we are at as a club he doesn’t have much option..they took a huge risk.., the doubled down on poor decision, they won’t do the same again..they can’t.
We have a bit of road..opportunities still, but if you’ve seen enough to suggest we look likely to go up then fine. I haven’t. We have the quality players, but not convinced we’ve got the right mentality to be a success:
We’ll see. |
An awful lot of conjecture there for someone so 'fact' based. | | | |
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| Hate on 11:12 - Oct 30 with 700 views | Herbivore |
| Hate on 11:09 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
I’m actually suprised to turned up to the leaving party, honoured in a way.
Only see you when we win.., never around to make your point when we don’t. True support.
I’ll miss your fragile ego the most. |
Don't let me keep you, mate. | |
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| Hate on 11:15 - Oct 30 with 678 views | Ryorry |
| Hate on 10:01 - Oct 30 by redrickstuhaart |
Indeed. A quite intentional campaign of purposely twisted facts, insinuation and innuendo which is tedious in the extreme. He knows exactly what he is doing and to complain about the inevitable response to intentionally objectionable posts, is simply gaslighting.
Continually calling the club the franchise is not a fact or even an opinion. It's deliberately provocative and demeaning. For instance. You can identify a dh post from the first three sentences pretty much without fail. |
Very well said - you’ve eloquently expressed exactly what I was trying to say but couldn’t find the words for - thank you! |  |
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| Hate on 11:17 - Oct 30 with 662 views | darkhorse28 |
| Hate on 11:05 - Oct 30 by MrPotatoHead |
The assets far outweigh the liabilities.
The signings wont all come off, there isn't a club in world football that's achieved that. For every Delap and Hutchinson there will be an Ogbene and Muric where we would do well to get our money back. Its about the total, the portfolio for want of a better word.
According to Transfermarkt today's squad has a value of 200m EURO. Debatable if that's true, but you could certainly sell the whole squad off for 150m EURO I would think when Philogene, O'Shea & Davis would fetch 1/3 of that between them on a bad day.
The squad GameChanger inherited was worth a fraction of that, maybe 10%. They've added somewhere in the region of 150m EURO of net book value off a net spend some way under.
You're completely wrong on that point.
Whether we're performing as well as we should with the players we've got today compared to the rest of the field is a valid one, we're struggling to create against the Preston and Blackburn's of the world on much smaller budgets and that's where the pressure on McKenna comes from, and will continue to over coming months if we don't push up the division. Make no mistake the financial return on the investment is very solid thus far though, and promotion or bust is utter nonsense for someone dealing in 'facts'. |
Hmmm ok I’ll engage.., according to transfer market.., the league one squad, at the point we got promoted was worth probably more than we are now. That’s just how their metrics work, status of being at that level has a huge value.
Of course in the real world it’s a little different you need an actual buyer.
SO
Muric, OShea, Greaves, Ogbenne, Walle, Sammie, McAteer, Clarke, Philogene, Hirst, Furlong, Kipre and many many more:
I’m sure we agree no premier league side is wanting any of them.
Maybe Leif is the only player that level would look at. In a different system perhaps to us.
So we’re selling to championship sides if we could even get rid of them .., and some we obviously could sell, very good at this level.
But do we have a single asset out of the ones we signed. Worth even what we paid?
Maybe Jack. And you said our assets are more than our liabilities.
They aren’t.
Players aren’t even assets .. they’re booked at purchase price minus contract length - because at that point they are worthless.
Our liabilities are significant, and not understating that, and Ashton not wanting you to understand it; that’s the real issue.
Ask Mark what our financial position is without promotion.
It’s grim. After next season it’s a serious issue: | | | |
| Hate on 11:19 - Oct 30 with 655 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Hate on 11:09 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
I’m actually suprised to turned up to the leaving party, honoured in a way.
Only see you when we win.., never around to make your point when we don’t. True support.
I’ll miss your fragile ego the most. |
I don’t approve of posts asking admin to remove someone from the board but you are testing everyone’s patience.
I think you are currently trying to find out how much annoyance you can get away with before admin remove you.
Should that happen may I suggest you make your comeback as Crazy Horse seems much more appropriate. |  |
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| Hate on 11:20 - Oct 30 with 654 views | Illinoisblue |
| Hate on 11:17 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
Hmmm ok I’ll engage.., according to transfer market.., the league one squad, at the point we got promoted was worth probably more than we are now. That’s just how their metrics work, status of being at that level has a huge value.
Of course in the real world it’s a little different you need an actual buyer.
SO
Muric, OShea, Greaves, Ogbenne, Walle, Sammie, McAteer, Clarke, Philogene, Hirst, Furlong, Kipre and many many more:
I’m sure we agree no premier league side is wanting any of them.
Maybe Leif is the only player that level would look at. In a different system perhaps to us.
So we’re selling to championship sides if we could even get rid of them .., and some we obviously could sell, very good at this level.
But do we have a single asset out of the ones we signed. Worth even what we paid?
Maybe Jack. And you said our assets are more than our liabilities.
They aren’t.
Players aren’t even assets .. they’re booked at purchase price minus contract length - because at that point they are worthless.
Our liabilities are significant, and not understating that, and Ashton not wanting you to understand it; that’s the real issue.
Ask Mark what our financial position is without promotion.
It’s grim. After next season it’s a serious issue: |
Is Mr Ashton in the room with you right now? | |
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| Hate on 11:20 - Oct 30 with 655 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hate on 10:47 - Oct 30 by BouncebackIpswich |
It's clearly true, which is why myself and others say it. You ironically being one of the ones I am referring to, a regular long time poster with a clear superiority complex, my opinion is better than your opinion etc.
And it's not about hurt feelings, it's about reasonable posts being met with pathetic dismissive insults. Even if you don't agree with it, engage and put forward your own argument rather than snide remarks. To be fair, you have actually done that in this post so fair play. |
I almost always engage and put forward my own argument - some say I do so too much!
There is no "superiority complex, my opinion is better than your opinion etc.", that's you projecting. I simply state my opinion with facts and logic and let others decide which they want to go with. The only two people I've given up trying to engage with are lowehouse and darkhorse!
I also didn't say anything about hurt feelings. I was saying for some of you, how you 'feel' about an issue is more important than delving into the facts and logic. |  |
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| Hate on 11:20 - Oct 30 with 654 views | MrPotatoHead |
| Hate on 10:01 - Oct 30 by redrickstuhaart |
Indeed. A quite intentional campaign of purposely twisted facts, insinuation and innuendo which is tedious in the extreme. He knows exactly what he is doing and to complain about the inevitable response to intentionally objectionable posts, is simply gaslighting.
Continually calling the club the franchise is not a fact or even an opinion. It's deliberately provocative and demeaning. For instance. You can identify a dh post from the first three sentences pretty much without fail. |
And if you're not sure after the first 3, you will be be after the 48th. | | | |
| Hate on 11:22 - Oct 30 with 652 views | StokieBlue |
| Hate on 11:00 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
Minority views are wrong and shouldn’t be tolerated…, I mean you’re right.., they aren’t tolerated.
They should be though.
I’d also be careful. Vocal and majority.., they aren’t the same thing.., genuinely I don’t get bothered by any of it. We have maybe millions of fans globally, can you imagine taking maybe 30 too seriously?? Or letting them instruct your opinions.
I do me very well.
‘I didn’t get where I am today’ .. I clearly don’t post to be liked., just my genuine opinions formed after much thought, through a prism which I promise is likely to be correct.
If McKenna joins Celtic. £250 million spent. Look at our squad. Certainly potential at this level.
Would you say mid table championship qualifies as world class level elite success for McKenna??
23/24 was unbelievable.., but as a body of work.., it wouldn’t reach that threshold would it.., and promising yourself he might be something sometime doesn’t reflect the investment we made in him.
Enjoy the ride though. |
I've seen you use a number of different figures for our "spend" depending on the level of challenge you are receiving. I think the last 24 hours you've used 200m, 220m and now with more people challenging you it's 250m.
It's pretty disingenuous to claim ones arguments are factual and evidence based when the facts change depending on the scenario and level of questioning.
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| Hate on 11:22 - Oct 30 with 640 views | darkhorse28 |
| Hate on 11:15 - Oct 30 by Ryorry |
Very well said - you’ve eloquently expressed exactly what I was trying to say but couldn’t find the words for - thank you! |
You should articulate the facts that are twisted.
Relegation?
Worst season for points ever?
Ashton had never been elite?
Mid table in the championship?
Money spent?
That aren’t easy facts to dispute.
Which is probably why you take the low road and destroy the messenger.
So which ones are twisted? £200 million spent is the lower side of what we’ve invested.., I don’t know McKennas contract.., suspect £5 million reported isn’t quite accurate, which is why I say reported.
It doesn’t matter if it’s £5 million of £4 million..; the point is he’s one of the best paid managers in Europe, at a point we’d never kicked a ball under him at an elite level.., and it don’t go well; and was always a really muddy decision and lazy.
Can’t argue he’s paid more than most truely world class managers though, because he is.
BBC and ALL media sources report he’s still paid more than 80% of premier league managers, they know better than me .
And you. | | | |
| Hate on 11:25 - Oct 30 with 617 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hate on 11:00 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
Minority views are wrong and shouldn’t be tolerated…, I mean you’re right.., they aren’t tolerated.
They should be though.
I’d also be careful. Vocal and majority.., they aren’t the same thing.., genuinely I don’t get bothered by any of it. We have maybe millions of fans globally, can you imagine taking maybe 30 too seriously?? Or letting them instruct your opinions.
I do me very well.
‘I didn’t get where I am today’ .. I clearly don’t post to be liked., just my genuine opinions formed after much thought, through a prism which I promise is likely to be correct.
If McKenna joins Celtic. £250 million spent. Look at our squad. Certainly potential at this level.
Would you say mid table championship qualifies as world class level elite success for McKenna??
23/24 was unbelievable.., but as a body of work.., it wouldn’t reach that threshold would it.., and promising yourself he might be something sometime doesn’t reflect the investment we made in him.
Enjoy the ride though. |
We're 11 games in, with a rebuilt team.
Mid table Championship doesn't mean anything yet. | |
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| Hate on 11:27 - Oct 30 with 608 views | StokieBlue |
| Hate on 11:17 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
Hmmm ok I’ll engage.., according to transfer market.., the league one squad, at the point we got promoted was worth probably more than we are now. That’s just how their metrics work, status of being at that level has a huge value.
Of course in the real world it’s a little different you need an actual buyer.
SO
Muric, OShea, Greaves, Ogbenne, Walle, Sammie, McAteer, Clarke, Philogene, Hirst, Furlong, Kipre and many many more:
I’m sure we agree no premier league side is wanting any of them.
Maybe Leif is the only player that level would look at. In a different system perhaps to us.
So we’re selling to championship sides if we could even get rid of them .., and some we obviously could sell, very good at this level.
But do we have a single asset out of the ones we signed. Worth even what we paid?
Maybe Jack. And you said our assets are more than our liabilities.
They aren’t.
Players aren’t even assets .. they’re booked at purchase price minus contract length - because at that point they are worthless.
Our liabilities are significant, and not understating that, and Ashton not wanting you to understand it; that’s the real issue.
Ask Mark what our financial position is without promotion.
It’s grim. After next season it’s a serious issue: |
"Hmmm ok I’ll engage.., according to transfer market.., the league one squad, at the point we got promoted was worth probably more than we are now. That’s just how their metrics work, status of being at that level has a huge value."
You've clearly just made this up to support the previous "evidence" you made up and to rile up other posters.
Please provide a source for this ridiculously dubious claim.
SB
Edit: I'm assuming you'll not look given you've made it up so I've looked for you.
According to your preferred (and not great) source:
23/24 - 69m EUR
25/26 - 199m EUR
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| Hate on 11:28 - Oct 30 with 592 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Hate on 11:20 - Oct 30 by Illinoisblue |
Is Mr Ashton in the room with you right now? |
In his head | |
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| Hate on 11:30 - Oct 30 with 583 views | MattinLondon |
| Hate on 11:22 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
You should articulate the facts that are twisted.
Relegation?
Worst season for points ever?
Ashton had never been elite?
Mid table in the championship?
Money spent?
That aren’t easy facts to dispute.
Which is probably why you take the low road and destroy the messenger.
So which ones are twisted? £200 million spent is the lower side of what we’ve invested.., I don’t know McKennas contract.., suspect £5 million reported isn’t quite accurate, which is why I say reported.
It doesn’t matter if it’s £5 million of £4 million..; the point is he’s one of the best paid managers in Europe, at a point we’d never kicked a ball under him at an elite level.., and it don’t go well; and was always a really muddy decision and lazy.
Can’t argue he’s paid more than most truely world class managers though, because he is.
BBC and ALL media sources report he’s still paid more than 80% of premier league managers, they know better than me .
And you. |
If Father Jack Hackett posted on here and was less pissed, I imagine he’d sound just like you on repeat.
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| Hate on 11:31 - Oct 30 with 584 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hate on 11:03 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
You define what’s outlandish.
That’s the point. You really don’t.
You think Ashtons 35 year career is elite and world class - now that is more outlandish to me than the converse.
I mean I literally have 35 year of evidence.
You have a promotion from the EFL you need to make look like the peak of world football, good luck. |
I haven't said a single thing about Ashton's 35 year career.
(As a side note - no successful person gets where they are without any mistakes).
And I haven't said a single thing about being elite, world class or the peak of world football.
All I care about is Ashton's career at ITFC, and we've had an unprecedented two promotions from the drudge of League 1, and incredible off-the-pitch improvements in virtually everything, since he came in.
Funnily enough, I'm quite happy with that. | |
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| Hate on 11:36 - Oct 30 with 557 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hate on 11:17 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
Hmmm ok I’ll engage.., according to transfer market.., the league one squad, at the point we got promoted was worth probably more than we are now. That’s just how their metrics work, status of being at that level has a huge value.
Of course in the real world it’s a little different you need an actual buyer.
SO
Muric, OShea, Greaves, Ogbenne, Walle, Sammie, McAteer, Clarke, Philogene, Hirst, Furlong, Kipre and many many more:
I’m sure we agree no premier league side is wanting any of them.
Maybe Leif is the only player that level would look at. In a different system perhaps to us.
So we’re selling to championship sides if we could even get rid of them .., and some we obviously could sell, very good at this level.
But do we have a single asset out of the ones we signed. Worth even what we paid?
Maybe Jack. And you said our assets are more than our liabilities.
They aren’t.
Players aren’t even assets .. they’re booked at purchase price minus contract length - because at that point they are worthless.
Our liabilities are significant, and not understating that, and Ashton not wanting you to understand it; that’s the real issue.
Ask Mark what our financial position is without promotion.
It’s grim. After next season it’s a serious issue: |
Stopped reading at "the league one squad, at the point we got promoted was worth probably more than we are now" ...due to rolling around on the floor laughing. Your best one yet. | |
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| Hate on 11:41 - Oct 30 with 533 views | Ryorry |
| Hate on 11:22 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
You should articulate the facts that are twisted.
Relegation?
Worst season for points ever?
Ashton had never been elite?
Mid table in the championship?
Money spent?
That aren’t easy facts to dispute.
Which is probably why you take the low road and destroy the messenger.
So which ones are twisted? £200 million spent is the lower side of what we’ve invested.., I don’t know McKennas contract.., suspect £5 million reported isn’t quite accurate, which is why I say reported.
It doesn’t matter if it’s £5 million of £4 million..; the point is he’s one of the best paid managers in Europe, at a point we’d never kicked a ball under him at an elite level.., and it don’t go well; and was always a really muddy decision and lazy.
Can’t argue he’s paid more than most truely world class managers though, because he is.
BBC and ALL media sources report he’s still paid more than 80% of premier league managers, they know better than me .
And you. |
You know exactly what I was referring to, it’s all on the other thread - your endless smears saying KM puts his ego before the good of the club, no recently departed players had anything good to say about him, MA is an “amateur” and “lazy” etc. Endlessly and frequently dripped - on the lines of say something false often enough and long enough and some people will start to believe it.
Why have you asked me anyway, rather than the author of the post that I was agreeing with? | |
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| Hate on 11:41 - Oct 30 with 538 views | Herbivore |
It's starting to look an awful lot like you started this thread to get yourself attention rather than because you are actually leaving the forum, mate. | |
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