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I’ll take a knee and some time off the site. Maybe forever. Almost certainly forever.
I’ve supported the club for 45 years. Man and boy. But don’t want my opinions to spoil the enjoyment of others on the forum. Phil does an amazing job and don’t want to put him in a difficult position either.., it’s hard enough on here.
I will say the bullying, the hate, and the ‘one view or be destroyed’ tribalism on here at times is frankly pathetic…, the same people complaining about online hate, desperate to indulge in online hate. It’s interesting.
Their egos not capable of processing they could be wrong about McKenna, and don’t worry, you don’t know who you are, because there’s almost zero self awareness.
I only stated my opinion, based on facts…, I’ve a huge amount of time for KM, less so Mark Ashton, and KM sadly in context is the architect of his own downfall.
You can’t leverage so much investment, deliver so little with it, and still be a young manager needing patience, sadly, that’s not how football works today. We aren’t good relative to our investment, that’s doesn’t seem like conjecture anymore. Results sadly don’t lie. But the messenger has to be destroyed, it’s predictable, easier for many than dealing with the facts in front of us.
To those desperate to create an echo chamber…, with no alternative voices, that feels warm, safe, comforting, and makes you feel good about what may or may not be true.
You win.
Fingers crossed for promotion, I’d like new owners with real football oversight, that’s where the issues really are, we deserve to be established in the premier league, and I’ll never apologise for wanting that. I don’t see us as league one, I never will, we (almost) never have been. We DO deserve people not to hide behind that brief period, like it’s a shield to scrutiny.
And to my ‘many’ haters, good luck.
You won’t get the right answers by never listening, or exploring alternative views.
But ignorance is bliss…, you might be in a happy place.., and maybe that’s all that counts.., so enjoy that and good luck. And I hope you’re all right about Ashton being world class, I really do, that would be amazing.
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Right .., Ian Marshall Wig, check, Romeo Zondernan Fisons shirt and a copy of Mick Mcgivens guide to defensive shape …, and they said pretending to be an Ipswich fan would be cheap. Pfft.
Enjoy the ride chaps.
When I buy the club…, none of you will be banned, but some will be made to watch Mark Ashton play 5 aside in his Cyril Regis shirt.., just saying.
I’ve never had my views challenged, that I’ve seen, genuinely.
Over £200 million spent Worst season in our history Mid table and no better than under Evans (results wise) Ashton 35 years of not being elite Muddled recruitment Record salary for a manger, and at champions league levels
They aren’t easy narratives to argue against
You can argue with the conclusion they mean Ashton and or McKenna aren’t good enough.., but not the workings out.., they’re all measures. All of them.
That’s why people resort to personal attacks instead.., defending tribe.., because defending the above is actually an increasingly big challenge.
Attack the messenger.., destroy him.., if nobody says it.., it can’t possibly be true.
But what if the conclusion IS true.
Might not be btw - never said I had a monopoly on how things play out.
Just the opinions of a 51 year old ‘bloke’ .., but my record is excellent, not always right, but I’d always back my views, because they tend to be considered and take a while to formulate.
I didn’t post on here for decades. Posting was a mistake. So I do make them.
It’s SO tribal, so full of group think and fragile egos, on all side of debates.., if warm one dimensional validation is what works best on here.., I’m fine with that.
It won’t help work out what’s the best direction for the club.., but seeing as none of us control that, maybe that doesn’t matter.
The people on here doing politics, they do the football the same way.., destroying their own tribe to protect their fragile egos.
Anyone can have any opinion.., but evidence it.
Ashton and McKenna are elite and world class .
Show your workings. I don’t think any EFL promotion meets the world class criteria, and you do need to be world class to have even a small chance of EPL success.
This closing statement is up there with a previous poster (can’t remember their name) who had a big meltdown after Paul Cook was sacked. Marvellous work.
The original was deleted(possibly to save their blushes) but Ryorrers was kind enough to cut and paste it and send it to me. '"Hang your heads in fking shame… 20:27 - Dec 4 with 811 views Keaneish
Mullet Gtsb Blue badger Bloots N2 Blue ITFC Joe
…and the rest.
Do you not understand that these forums have massive sway these days? You’ve killed it. We may go on to bigger better things, who knows? Your bitching and whining on here is picked up and has a massive ripple effect. Fking knobs the lot of you. For weeks you’ve been stamping your feet like little girls and it gets picked up when all you needed to do was ride it out for a bit. Pathetic. Cook always comes good, he always has done, talk to any Pompey, Wigan or Chesterfield fan.
I’m in Pompey tonight and they’re all shaking their heads. Dkheads the lot of you. Happy to get banned on the back of this. You’re ridiculous. The ramifications are massive which may be placated with money but fk me; learn to kick a ball and know what you’re talking about before you lash out in anger.
A massive shame and a massive shame on you. Cook is working hard. What are you doing other than idly pointing fingers and drawing on nonsense stats.
Nothing but contempt for you lot and your baseless insights into football when you’ve never even kicked a ball.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
The original was deleted(possibly to save their blushes) but Ryorrers was kind enough to cut and paste it and send it to me. '"Hang your heads in fking shame… 20:27 - Dec 4 with 811 views Keaneish
Mullet Gtsb Blue badger Bloots N2 Blue ITFC Joe
…and the rest.
Do you not understand that these forums have massive sway these days? You’ve killed it. We may go on to bigger better things, who knows? Your bitching and whining on here is picked up and has a massive ripple effect. Fking knobs the lot of you. For weeks you’ve been stamping your feet like little girls and it gets picked up when all you needed to do was ride it out for a bit. Pathetic. Cook always comes good, he always has done, talk to any Pompey, Wigan or Chesterfield fan.
I’m in Pompey tonight and they’re all shaking their heads. Dkheads the lot of you. Happy to get banned on the back of this. You’re ridiculous. The ramifications are massive which may be placated with money but fk me; learn to kick a ball and know what you’re talking about before you lash out in anger.
A massive shame and a massive shame on you. Cook is working hard. What are you doing other than idly pointing fingers and drawing on nonsense stats.
Nothing but contempt for you lot and your baseless insights into football when you’ve never even kicked a ball.
The original was deleted(possibly to save their blushes) but Ryorrers was kind enough to cut and paste it and send it to me. '"Hang your heads in fking shame… 20:27 - Dec 4 with 811 views Keaneish
Mullet Gtsb Blue badger Bloots N2 Blue ITFC Joe
…and the rest.
Do you not understand that these forums have massive sway these days? You’ve killed it. We may go on to bigger better things, who knows? Your bitching and whining on here is picked up and has a massive ripple effect. Fking knobs the lot of you. For weeks you’ve been stamping your feet like little girls and it gets picked up when all you needed to do was ride it out for a bit. Pathetic. Cook always comes good, he always has done, talk to any Pompey, Wigan or Chesterfield fan.
I’m in Pompey tonight and they’re all shaking their heads. Dkheads the lot of you. Happy to get banned on the back of this. You’re ridiculous. The ramifications are massive which may be placated with money but fk me; learn to kick a ball and know what you’re talking about before you lash out in anger.
A massive shame and a massive shame on you. Cook is working hard. What are you doing other than idly pointing fingers and drawing on nonsense stats.
Nothing but contempt for you lot and your baseless insights into football when you’ve never even kicked a ball.
Whether we agree or disagree with Darkhorse and his view on things, not everything he says is correct, and not everything he says is incorrect, it's all about opinions but One passage he did write should resonate with every true Town fan..........
" Not getting promoted with our liabilities isn’t a nice journey.., it will be the most brutal period in my time supporting the club (outside administration)
The impact isn’t small.., or just not ideal.., it’s transformative and will shape what we do for decades .
See Norwich if you want to know what legacy liabilities and EFL income looks like, or us after administration stripped of talent.
I lived and breathed those years.., and it’s no fun.
We sold £80 million of players.., and the mistakes in talent ID are killing us.
Every time we spend £50 million on a Ogbenne, McAteer and Norwegian prospect who may or may not work, it’s not a switch off and switch the computer game back in scenario.
We’re making these mistakes after four years of Mark making us elite!!!
We aren’t anywhere near what we need. Never will be is my opinion (under Mark)
There aren’t zero consequences.
Not going up before parachute payments expire isn’t an option."
That is completely correct and although a long way off has to be a big consideration in the path we take going forward because the consequences will as pointed out not be pleasant. I am a great believer in prevention rather than cure so if massive decisions have to be made in the coming weeks by the owner and the CEO so be it, hopefully it won't come to that but it cannot just be dismissed.
I’ve never had my views challenged, that I’ve seen, genuinely.
Over £200 million spent Worst season in our history Mid table and no better than under Evans (results wise) Ashton 35 years of not being elite Muddled recruitment Record salary for a manger, and at champions league levels
They aren’t easy narratives to argue against
You can argue with the conclusion they mean Ashton and or McKenna aren’t good enough.., but not the workings out.., they’re all measures. All of them.
That’s why people resort to personal attacks instead.., defending tribe.., because defending the above is actually an increasingly big challenge.
Attack the messenger.., destroy him.., if nobody says it.., it can’t possibly be true.
But what if the conclusion IS true.
Might not be btw - never said I had a monopoly on how things play out.
Just the opinions of a 51 year old ‘bloke’ .., but my record is excellent, not always right, but I’d always back my views, because they tend to be considered and take a while to formulate.
I didn’t post on here for decades. Posting was a mistake. So I do make them.
It’s SO tribal, so full of group think and fragile egos, on all side of debates.., if warm one dimensional validation is what works best on here.., I’m fine with that.
It won’t help work out what’s the best direction for the club.., but seeing as none of us control that, maybe that doesn’t matter.
The people on here doing politics, they do the football the same way.., destroying their own tribe to protect their fragile egos.
Anyone can have any opinion.., but evidence it.
Ashton and McKenna are elite and world class .
Show your workings. I don’t think any EFL promotion meets the world class criteria, and you do need to be world class to have even a small chance of EPL success.
This is complete rubbish.
I've only every had one major issue with you - you would never engage in debate about what you posted. In the early days of your posts, I often challenged many of the facts you posted, correcting what I saw as inaccuracies.
You never engaged with those challenges. Had you, I would likely had much greater tolerance of your posts, and respect for you, even if we agreed to disagree on some points. But you never engaged, or appeared in anyway interested in engaging. You seemed only interested in dropping your post-bombs, and ignoring any attempt at genuine engagement.
I have no patience for that behaviour. It's not hate towards you, rather a case of not being willing to waste my time on someone who is only interested in taking a dogmatic stance, regardless of counter points made to them.
It does rather seem like those who are most vociferous in their criticism of McKenna, Ashton, the club in general are also the most sensitive to having their views challenged. If you're going to express strong opinions online, people are going to challenge them. That's how forums work. If lots of people are challenging your opinions, there might be an issue with their content or delivery, rather than there being some sort of coordinated pack going after you.
I rarely post these days - its just not worth the attacks that come your way especially if you happen to state an opinion that differs to some others 😱
Minority views are wrong and shouldn’t be tolerated…, I mean you’re right.., they aren’t tolerated.
They should be though.
I’d also be careful. Vocal and majority.., they aren’t the same thing.., genuinely I don’t get bothered by any of it. We have maybe millions of fans globally, can you imagine taking maybe 30 too seriously?? Or letting them instruct your opinions.
I do me very well.
‘I didn’t get where I am today’ .. I clearly don’t post to be liked., just my genuine opinions formed after much thought, through a prism which I promise is likely to be correct.
If McKenna joins Celtic. £250 million spent. Look at our squad. Certainly potential at this level.
Would you say mid table championship qualifies as world class level elite success for McKenna??
23/24 was unbelievable.., but as a body of work.., it wouldn’t reach that threshold would it.., and promising yourself he might be something sometime doesn’t reflect the investment we made in him.
Enjoy the ride though.
I think you understood the thrust of my post to you, it was supportive.
Like I said you might be right, our position at the end of the season may mean we stay in this division and who knows, perhaps next year too.
But I think you might be calling it too early, I still think we'll get promoted this year. But I'm a glass-half-full kinda guy and when things look a bit wobbly, I generally adopt a positive and optimistic stance because I think it can tip the balance.
Perhaps I'm wrong in wearing blue-tinted glasses and I hope (as you do) that you're wrong too and this turns out to be a very successful season.
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As a relatively new regular poster on here I will say one thing, the ‘one view or be destroyed’ comment is actually pretty true from my early observations, people have to be allowed to question Mckenna if they choose without fear of the "pack" descending on them.
I’ve never had my views challenged, that I’ve seen, genuinely.
Over £200 million spent Worst season in our history Mid table and no better than under Evans (results wise) Ashton 35 years of not being elite Muddled recruitment Record salary for a manger, and at champions league levels
They aren’t easy narratives to argue against
You can argue with the conclusion they mean Ashton and or McKenna aren’t good enough.., but not the workings out.., they’re all measures. All of them.
That’s why people resort to personal attacks instead.., defending tribe.., because defending the above is actually an increasingly big challenge.
Attack the messenger.., destroy him.., if nobody says it.., it can’t possibly be true.
But what if the conclusion IS true.
Might not be btw - never said I had a monopoly on how things play out.
Just the opinions of a 51 year old ‘bloke’ .., but my record is excellent, not always right, but I’d always back my views, because they tend to be considered and take a while to formulate.
I didn’t post on here for decades. Posting was a mistake. So I do make them.
It’s SO tribal, so full of group think and fragile egos, on all side of debates.., if warm one dimensional validation is what works best on here.., I’m fine with that.
It won’t help work out what’s the best direction for the club.., but seeing as none of us control that, maybe that doesn’t matter.
The people on here doing politics, they do the football the same way.., destroying their own tribe to protect their fragile egos.
Anyone can have any opinion.., but evidence it.
Ashton and McKenna are elite and world class .
Show your workings. I don’t think any EFL promotion meets the world class criteria, and you do need to be world class to have even a small chance of EPL success.
The only time I've ever seen you respond and not run and hide after a bit of budgie trolling, and as expected pathetic hilarity.
Just more made up nonsense. Like the OP, you're just miffed that not everyone agrees with you. There is no "'policing' a positive agenda," just some people are a bit more realistic and less demanding of immediate greatness. And for the most part people do engage and debate the negative posters. Unfortunately their 'feelings' seem more important to them than facts and logic.
I don't buy the feelings stuff either, it's an easy shield for a budgie troll to hide behind and continue to spew out their negative tripe without getting banned.
Paul Cooks signings aged well. Sam and Chaplin alone gave us huge momentum on and off the field.., we miss their sheer desire to be the best they could be and demand that of others.
Paul’s doing well again.., not a surprise. McKenna was a great appointment where we were at, I don’t think anyone disputes he’s done some things brilliantly well.
A better coach than manger for me, and found out under the scrutiny at the very highest level. That’s my opinion. Lots of the results over the last 18 months paint a clear picture on that.
You also don't seem to seem to understand the concept of the league pyramid. Paul Cook is doing well?! Jesus wept or I guess it's just a reflection of your desperation.
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