| Will they start again on 20:27 - Oct 31 with 822 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Diversification and getting towards any form of cleaner energy is great, however, this idealistic idea of just switching to renewables or moving completely away from O&G doesn't particularly stack up either.
If we take Electric cars just as one example. We are going to go from one environmental disaster to another in some areas of the world.
There is already a 30% reduction in water levels in Salar de Atacama due to lithium extraction to meet the current demands, what's it going to be like when everyone ditches the old petroleum to get around?
Not an easy answer and call me cynical but every company, whatever their position in the marketplace, their true goal is profit, not the saving the environment. |  |
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| Will they start again on 20:45 - Oct 31 with 770 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Will they start again on 20:27 - Oct 31 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Diversification and getting towards any form of cleaner energy is great, however, this idealistic idea of just switching to renewables or moving completely away from O&G doesn't particularly stack up either.
If we take Electric cars just as one example. We are going to go from one environmental disaster to another in some areas of the world.
There is already a 30% reduction in water levels in Salar de Atacama due to lithium extraction to meet the current demands, what's it going to be like when everyone ditches the old petroleum to get around?
Not an easy answer and call me cynical but every company, whatever their position in the marketplace, their true goal is profit, not the saving the environment. |
JSO aren’t calling for “just switching”, they’re saying we need to focus on a transition in the UK asap and also help poorer countries in their journey to net zero.
“every company, whatever their position in the marketplace, their true goal is profit, not the saving the environment”. Well yes, that’s the point. That’s why we need regulation and government support towards more sustainable options. |  |
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| Will they start again on 20:49 - Oct 31 with 757 views | J2BLUE |
| Will they start again on 19:49 - Oct 31 by GlasgowBlue |
Speaking of protesters, this is the funniest clip I've seen all week.
"We're on the same side bruv"
"No we're not"
"We are bruv"
"No" |
Where is that from? Why are their faces covered? |  |
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| Will they start again on 20:50 - Oct 31 with 755 views | NthQldITFC |
| Will they start again on 20:27 - Oct 31 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Diversification and getting towards any form of cleaner energy is great, however, this idealistic idea of just switching to renewables or moving completely away from O&G doesn't particularly stack up either.
If we take Electric cars just as one example. We are going to go from one environmental disaster to another in some areas of the world.
There is already a 30% reduction in water levels in Salar de Atacama due to lithium extraction to meet the current demands, what's it going to be like when everyone ditches the old petroleum to get around?
Not an easy answer and call me cynical but every company, whatever their position in the marketplace, their true goal is profit, not the saving the environment. |
I doubt that anyone in the whole world has 'this idealistic idea of just switching to renewables or moving completely away from O&G'.
Claiming that that is the case is the disingenuous, cynical and manipulative go-to tactic of the business as usual brigade pretending to care whilst continuing to stuff their pockets. But it's entirely transparent.
Pushing the pace of change as hard as possible is everything now, as all the science continually tells us, and people pushing cynical delaying tactics like this sort of crap need to have a long hard look at themselves and think how they are going to go about explaining their actions to their children. |  |
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| Will they start again on 20:50 - Oct 31 with 754 views | J2BLUE |
Probably the right decision although i'd have given them the £600 bill if that was an option. | |
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| Will they start again on 20:51 - Oct 31 with 747 views | J2BLUE |
| Will they start again on 20:27 - Oct 31 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Diversification and getting towards any form of cleaner energy is great, however, this idealistic idea of just switching to renewables or moving completely away from O&G doesn't particularly stack up either.
If we take Electric cars just as one example. We are going to go from one environmental disaster to another in some areas of the world.
There is already a 30% reduction in water levels in Salar de Atacama due to lithium extraction to meet the current demands, what's it going to be like when everyone ditches the old petroleum to get around?
Not an easy answer and call me cynical but every company, whatever their position in the marketplace, their true goal is profit, not the saving the environment. |
Agreed, we need petrol cars.
Just ask this guy https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art | |
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| Will they start again on 21:08 - Oct 31 with 705 views | MVBlue |
| Will they start again on 18:52 - Oct 31 by Swansea_Blue |
I hope so. It’s crackers that we’re burying our heads in the sand over the impacts of climate change. There’s a 70% chance we’re going to hit 1.5° increasing warming within the next 3-5 years. As recently as 2018 the production was it would take until 2040. That’s more energy in the global system quicker than expected leading to more severe weather events and other adverse effects across every part of the globe. The costs are going to be phenomenal. (Usual caveats apply, we can’t do it all ourselves and we’re small fry compared to the big polluters, so we need to be working internationally and as part of that leading by example is important, imo). |
We are screwed if the trapped gasses under the Greenland Ice sheet, Methane etc are released.
We need to get out into space and appreciate our planet more. |  |
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| Will they start again on 21:16 - Oct 31 with 696 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Will they start again on 20:45 - Oct 31 by Swansea_Blue |
JSO aren’t calling for “just switching”, they’re saying we need to focus on a transition in the UK asap and also help poorer countries in their journey to net zero.
“every company, whatever their position in the marketplace, their true goal is profit, not the saving the environment”. Well yes, that’s the point. That’s why we need regulation and government support towards more sustainable options. |
What about the effect on local ecosystems with Lithium extraction? Water stress has devastating impacts on the environment and for indigenous communities in Chile and neighboring counties.
This is just an example of a true transition away from O&G being idealistic, when demands soar for alternates, that has consequences as well.
I am sorry but Net Zero all sounds a bit buzzy really and like Green washing to me when the UK has less than 1% of worlds total carbon footprint. The UK still pays other countries to mine Fossil Fuels and buys $100M odd in goods from China because it's produced cheaper, so, doesn't that render it all a bit pointless?
Western consumers are a major contributor to China's carbon footprint. The problem is people can think they are doing good in one area like having a super expensive electric car but we are all constantly buying goods produced thousands of miles away on a weekly basis.
I am not having a pop at people trying to do the right thing but if you think about it really and be honest, we are pretty screwed with current lifestyles and consumerism. [Post edited 31 Oct 2025 21:18]
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| Will they start again on 21:18 - Oct 31 with 683 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I haven't owned a car for 10 years and take public transit to work and the airport, I am one of the good guys. | |
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| Will they start again on 21:24 - Oct 31 with 669 views | NthQldITFC |
| Will they start again on 21:08 - Oct 31 by MVBlue |
We are screwed if the trapped gasses under the Greenland Ice sheet, Methane etc are released.
We need to get out into space and appreciate our planet more. |
For anyone who wants a primer on feedback loops this looks quite good.
https://earthhow.com/climate-f
I think CoachRob linked to a better / more-detailed source including quantified risks and probabilities of related tipping points as well. I've lost the link. | |
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| Will they start again on 21:30 - Oct 31 with 652 views | DJR |
On the other hand.
"During the protest, Naidu handed police a piece of paper saying: “Fossil fuel non-proliferation treaty now!” He said: “As a result of this action, people will have looked that up. We’re not fanatics saying we’ve got to stop everything. We’re saying there must be a just transition, a green transition. It can be done. We must make a transition to something which is survivable.”"
Indeed, with Trump, the Tories and Reform going in the completely opposite direction, it seems to me that there is perhaps more reason to protest. And even Major, May and Johnson have criticised the Tories' current approach.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news [Post edited 31 Oct 2025 21:39]
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| Will they start again on 21:44 - Oct 31 with 622 views | J2BLUE |
| Will they start again on 21:30 - Oct 31 by DJR |
On the other hand.
"During the protest, Naidu handed police a piece of paper saying: “Fossil fuel non-proliferation treaty now!” He said: “As a result of this action, people will have looked that up. We’re not fanatics saying we’ve got to stop everything. We’re saying there must be a just transition, a green transition. It can be done. We must make a transition to something which is survivable.”"
Indeed, with Trump, the Tories and Reform going in the completely opposite direction, it seems to me that there is perhaps more reason to protest. And even Major, May and Johnson have criticised the Tories' current approach.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news [Post edited 31 Oct 2025 21:39]
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It was a light hearted post. Not sure why that was even news. | |
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| Will they start again on 21:48 - Oct 31 with 616 views | gtsb1966 |
| Will they start again on 19:23 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
I'm sure an organised march would really turn the tide and make people take notice. |
Vandalism and disrupting people's everyday lives does make people take notice but in a negative way. Surely even they can see that. |  | | |
| Will they start again on 22:24 - Oct 31 with 582 views | DJR |
| Will they start again on 21:48 - Oct 31 by gtsb1966 |
Vandalism and disrupting people's everyday lives does make people take notice but in a negative way. Surely even they can see that. |
The action didn't damage Stonehenge and according to one of the defendants they had checked in advance that it wouldn't.
As regards support (or lack of it), it seems to me that people's views are more influenced by the right wing media and people like Farage and Trump.
However to me the most interesting aspect of the case is the following, although the case may have turned on the particular offence they were charged with.
During his summing up, Judge Dugdale said that to find the three guilty, the jury would have had to be satisfied a conviction would be a proportionate interference in their rights to freedom of expression and protest.
He said: “If individuals disagree with what our government is doing on certain matters they are entitled to protest.
“For any of the defendants to be convicted, you have to be sure not just that they had committed the elements of the offence but you also have to be sure that a conviction … would be a proportionate interference with their human rights to express their opinions and protest against government inaction.” [Post edited 31 Oct 2025 22:26]
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| Will they start again on 22:30 - Oct 31 with 565 views | DJR |
| Will they start again on 21:44 - Oct 31 by J2BLUE |
It was a light hearted post. Not sure why that was even news. |
I agree, especially as it came across to me as an attempt to denigrate the protestor which is odd for a BBC article although not necessarily a Mail one. [Post edited 31 Oct 2025 22:31]
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| Will they start again on 22:52 - Oct 31 with 538 views | Herbivore |
| Will they start again on 19:29 - Oct 31 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
So vandalizing stuff is cool if you agree with the message? |
Anything that can be sorted by someone with a Karcher in 10 minutes is not a criminal activity, imo. |  |
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| Will they start again on 22:56 - Oct 31 with 523 views | Herbivore |
| Will they start again on 21:18 - Oct 31 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I haven't owned a car for 10 years and take public transit to work and the airport, I am one of the good guys. |
You fly a lot, which means you aren't one of the good guys. | |
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| Will they start again on 11:22 - Nov 1 with 396 views | leitrimblue |
| Will they start again on 22:24 - Oct 31 by DJR |
The action didn't damage Stonehenge and according to one of the defendants they had checked in advance that it wouldn't.
As regards support (or lack of it), it seems to me that people's views are more influenced by the right wing media and people like Farage and Trump.
However to me the most interesting aspect of the case is the following, although the case may have turned on the particular offence they were charged with.
During his summing up, Judge Dugdale said that to find the three guilty, the jury would have had to be satisfied a conviction would be a proportionate interference in their rights to freedom of expression and protest.
He said: “If individuals disagree with what our government is doing on certain matters they are entitled to protest.
“For any of the defendants to be convicted, you have to be sure not just that they had committed the elements of the offence but you also have to be sure that a conviction … would be a proportionate interference with their human rights to express their opinions and protest against government inaction.” [Post edited 31 Oct 2025 22:26]
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Caused no damage at all.
Yer right In saying they had spoke to people with archaeological/stone conservation experience beforehand.
If they had spoke to me, I would have advised um to do it with a permanent/or as permanent paint as possible.
Like the idea of Stonehenges timeline being extended to include sprayed with paint by people protesting against fossil fuels in 2024 |  | | |
| Will they start again on 13:38 - Nov 1 with 350 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Will they start again on 22:56 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
You fly a lot, which means you aren't one of the good guys. |
Whatever Mr self righteous.
It’s on commercial aircraft and I have to a lot for work. It would take a long time to get there by train! | |
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| Will they start again on 13:50 - Nov 1 with 334 views | lowhouseblue |
juries are unpredictable. the next one may decide differently. the cps was clearly right to take the case - beyond that it's always going to be a bit of a lottery. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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