| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 20:43 - Nov 13 with 3424 views | Ryorry |
Lovely work if you can get it! |  |
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| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 15:14 - Nov 14 with 2974 views | GlasgowGreen |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 20:43 - Nov 13 by Ryorry |
Lovely work if you can get it! |
Trust me it isn’t !! Awful place to work !! On the face of it, it seems a lovely US backed family all working together!! Reality is much different sadly !! |  | | |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 15:40 - Nov 14 with 2900 views | MrPotatoHead |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 15:14 - Nov 14 by GlasgowGreen |
Trust me it isn’t !! Awful place to work !! On the face of it, it seems a lovely US backed family all working together!! Reality is much different sadly !! |
What was your role GG? |  | | |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 20:24 - Nov 14 with 2730 views | Zx1988 |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 15:14 - Nov 14 by GlasgowGreen |
Trust me it isn’t !! Awful place to work !! On the face of it, it seems a lovely US backed family all working together!! Reality is much different sadly !! |
Doesn't surprise me if true.
Probably a high-intensity, high-pressure sort of environment now, where failure to cope with the demands of the role are seen as a personnel issue rather than a job issue. | |
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| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 22:48 - Nov 14 with 2607 views | FrimleyBlue |
Oooo head groundsman
I could just roll around in the grass all day. Where do I sign... |  |
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| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 23:25 - Nov 14 with 2548 views | GlasgowGreen |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 15:40 - Nov 14 by MrPotatoHead |
What was your role GG? |
I was a manager in the OPS dept. | | | |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 23:33 - Nov 14 with 2517 views | GlasgowGreen |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 20:24 - Nov 14 by Zx1988 |
Doesn't surprise me if true.
Probably a high-intensity, high-pressure sort of environment now, where failure to cope with the demands of the role are seen as a personnel issue rather than a job issue. |
100% !! Sadly new management within the OPS department is so toxic and badly managed, it’s unhealthy when you were expected to work 8+ days with no day off and 15+ hours per day! Very stressful place to work and unfortunately not very glamorous as you’d imagine. | | | |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 09:41 - Nov 15 with 2244 views | Zx1988 |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 23:33 - Nov 14 by GlasgowGreen |
100% !! Sadly new management within the OPS department is so toxic and badly managed, it’s unhealthy when you were expected to work 8+ days with no day off and 15+ hours per day! Very stressful place to work and unfortunately not very glamorous as you’d imagine. |
Dare I say there was an attitude that the club was doing a favour by employing you, and the staff should just consider themselves lucky to be working for a PL club? | |
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| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 11:43 - Nov 17 with 1800 views | GlasgowGreen |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 09:41 - Nov 15 by Zx1988 |
Dare I say there was an attitude that the club was doing a favour by employing you, and the staff should just consider themselves lucky to be working for a PL club? |
100% yes ! Did you work there too lol. Seriously it’s not a place of employment if you value work life balance and communicating feedback to the higher management. I hope the football team do well but Mark Ashton and management need to know what explorers are put through and how some are treated from casual staff to ft employees | | | |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 13:12 - Nov 17 with 1506 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 11:43 - Nov 17 by GlasgowGreen |
100% yes ! Did you work there too lol. Seriously it’s not a place of employment if you value work life balance and communicating feedback to the higher management. I hope the football team do well but Mark Ashton and management need to know what explorers are put through and how some are treated from casual staff to ft employees |
TBF they are after elite status, that comes with incredible requirements from top all the way to the bottom. | |
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| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 13:22 - Nov 17 with 1462 views | Zx1988 |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 11:43 - Nov 17 by GlasgowGreen |
100% yes ! Did you work there too lol. Seriously it’s not a place of employment if you value work life balance and communicating feedback to the higher management. I hope the football team do well but Mark Ashton and management need to know what explorers are put through and how some are treated from casual staff to ft employees |
It's quite telling that none of the application packs (with the exception of one of the Foundation roles) contain a single sentence as to what is on offer for the successful applicant.
Lots of detail on what ITFC expects of candidates, and a whole page on how great the club is, but not even a hint of a salary, let alone any of the other T&Cs on offer.
It really does scream 'you'll be working for ITFC, what more do you want?!' doesn't it. [Post edited 17 Nov 13:28]
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| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 14:06 - Nov 17 with 1326 views | Churchman |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 13:22 - Nov 17 by Zx1988 |
It's quite telling that none of the application packs (with the exception of one of the Foundation roles) contain a single sentence as to what is on offer for the successful applicant.
Lots of detail on what ITFC expects of candidates, and a whole page on how great the club is, but not even a hint of a salary, let alone any of the other T&Cs on offer.
It really does scream 'you'll be working for ITFC, what more do you want?!' doesn't it. [Post edited 17 Nov 13:28]
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Well, as a general rule, any employment is a two way street. The candidate if they have anything about them will be interviewing the employer as much as the other way around. Including T&Cs. Employers often forget that.
In fact, where things like salary etc are missing, it’s a great opportunity to ring them up and ask. Gives you the advantage of hearing what they’re like, see if they know what they want and what they’re doing. From an employer’s perspective it shows initiative.
You can always tell them what you are prepared to do and what not to do, say no or take the job then walk away. If they want you and / or value you, they’ll accommodate. Recruitment is very expensive.
Strangely, I found the more demanding I was on them (esp in later years) the more they wanted my services. [Post edited 17 Nov 17:03]
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| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 14:20 - Nov 17 with 1283 views | BlueStreak |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 13:22 - Nov 17 by Zx1988 |
It's quite telling that none of the application packs (with the exception of one of the Foundation roles) contain a single sentence as to what is on offer for the successful applicant.
Lots of detail on what ITFC expects of candidates, and a whole page on how great the club is, but not even a hint of a salary, let alone any of the other T&Cs on offer.
It really does scream 'you'll be working for ITFC, what more do you want?!' doesn't it. [Post edited 17 Nov 13:28]
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My understanding is that the pay is absolutely awful at town whilst wanting you to be highly qualified. Ridiculous for a supposed 'elite company' to underpay like this, especially when you consider the wage roll of the playing squads. |  | | |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 14:30 - Nov 17 with 1236 views | Churchman |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 14:20 - Nov 17 by BlueStreak |
My understanding is that the pay is absolutely awful at town whilst wanting you to be highly qualified. Ridiculous for a supposed 'elite company' to underpay like this, especially when you consider the wage roll of the playing squads. |
Well if that’s true, the old cliche of pay peanuts you’ll get monkeys will apply. Their loss given anyone with anything about them won’t be applying. | | | |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 14:36 - Nov 17 with 1207 views | Zx1988 |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 14:06 - Nov 17 by Churchman |
Well, as a general rule, any employment is a two way street. The candidate if they have anything about them will be interviewing the employer as much as the other way around. Including T&Cs. Employers often forget that.
In fact, where things like salary etc are missing, it’s a great opportunity to ring them up and ask. Gives you the advantage of hearing what they’re like, see if they know what they want and what they’re doing. From an employer’s perspective it shows initiative.
You can always tell them what you are prepared to do and what not to do, say no or take the job then walk away. If they want you and / or value you, they’ll accommodate. Recruitment is very expensive.
Strangely, I found the more demanding I was on them (esp in later years) the more they wanted my services. [Post edited 17 Nov 17:03]
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I can see both sides here, and appreciate your point of view.
In my current position (in a decent job, and happy with where I am), I wouldn't even give an opening a second look if there wasn't any indication of what was in it for me but, yes, I would probably take a very different point of view if I was actively looking for a new role elsewhere.
I don't deny that there may be a degree of head-hunting going on, but it feels to me as if the 'no information' approach that the club takes may well reduce their chances of landing an excellent candidate, who is already in a role elsewhere, who is only going to be motivated to move if the offer is right. | |
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| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 14:47 - Nov 17 with 1160 views | SheffordBlue |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 14:30 - Nov 17 by Churchman |
Well if that’s true, the old cliche of pay peanuts you’ll get monkeys will apply. Their loss given anyone with anything about them won’t be applying. |
I think that in general pay in non-playing roles at football clubs tends to be really poor. Even within roles where people are actively supporting the first team players e.g. strength and conditioning, analysis, etc the pay - even at Premier league clubs - is relatively poor.
As I understand it they tend to get away with this, while retaining high calibre people, as there are far more people who want to work within football than there are roles and this impacts on the wages that people are prepared to work for.
A few years out of date now but this report into coaches pay within football gives you some idea - https://archive.trainingground.guru/articles/snapshot-of-academy-coaches-overwor [Post edited 17 Nov 14:48]
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| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 15:27 - Nov 17 with 1054 views | hype313 |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 15:14 - Nov 14 by GlasgowGreen |
Trust me it isn’t !! Awful place to work !! On the face of it, it seems a lovely US backed family all working together!! Reality is much different sadly !! |
Not the first person I've seen say that.
Think the club believe that any fan would work 80hrs a week for free, because it is ITFC.
We're not alone in this, I know a few that have worked at Arsenal, Utd and Spurs, the same mantra of look at who you are working for applies.
I'd say go to PR as a fan and leave it as that. |  |
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| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 17:16 - Nov 17 with 747 views | Churchman |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 14:47 - Nov 17 by SheffordBlue |
I think that in general pay in non-playing roles at football clubs tends to be really poor. Even within roles where people are actively supporting the first team players e.g. strength and conditioning, analysis, etc the pay - even at Premier league clubs - is relatively poor.
As I understand it they tend to get away with this, while retaining high calibre people, as there are far more people who want to work within football than there are roles and this impacts on the wages that people are prepared to work for.
A few years out of date now but this report into coaches pay within football gives you some idea - https://archive.trainingground.guru/articles/snapshot-of-academy-coaches-overwor [Post edited 17 Nov 14:48]
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Ta for that. I have no idea whatsoever how a football club operates, but I do get the supply and demand element. If football clubs take advantage in that way (and I’ve no reason to doubt anyone who has endured it or is in the know) it’s a really stupid and self defeating way to operate in my view.
Treat people properly and pay/benefit them right and they’ll look after you. It’s a two way street. If extracting the most for the least is the first and only priority it’s very short termist and you are going to be doing a lot of unnecessary recruitment and training which costs.
I wouldn’t put up with it. Probably an old fashioned viewpoint.
A work chum of mine’s husband was highly paid working in IT for a well known company for many years. A clever bloke to say the least. His employer kept heaping it on, including 7 day weeks and all that stuff more and more. Unrelenting as some employers are.
One day he told my work chum ‘I can’t do this any more’. He resigned and went to work doing Asda delivery vans for a fraction of the money. Yes, it was a financial struggle, but he loved it and was happy. So who lost out the most? His employer given that I doubt he wasn’t the only employee they wrung out. | | | |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 17:34 - Nov 17 with 707 views | Zx1988 |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 14:47 - Nov 17 by SheffordBlue |
I think that in general pay in non-playing roles at football clubs tends to be really poor. Even within roles where people are actively supporting the first team players e.g. strength and conditioning, analysis, etc the pay - even at Premier league clubs - is relatively poor.
As I understand it they tend to get away with this, while retaining high calibre people, as there are far more people who want to work within football than there are roles and this impacts on the wages that people are prepared to work for.
A few years out of date now but this report into coaches pay within football gives you some idea - https://archive.trainingground.guru/articles/snapshot-of-academy-coaches-overwor [Post edited 17 Nov 14:48]
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That's a really interesting report, particularly the number of coaches earning less than £25k per annum.
Maybe I've got a slightly idealistic point of view, but I'm struggling to think of another field where staff responsible for delivering multi-million-pound increases in asset value would be paid so comparatively poorly. | |
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| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 17:40 - Nov 17 with 691 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
Glassdoor gives a generally positive view of employment at Town - which given Glassdoor is often the place disgruntled ex-employees frequent, leading to it underrating places on may occasions, is a positive thing. | | | |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 17:41 - Nov 17 with 689 views | SheffordBlue |
| Anyone fancy a job at Town on 17:34 - Nov 17 by Zx1988 |
That's a really interesting report, particularly the number of coaches earning less than £25k per annum.
Maybe I've got a slightly idealistic point of view, but I'm struggling to think of another field where staff responsible for delivering multi-million-pound increases in asset value would be paid so comparatively poorly. |
Agreed - the disparity between playing and non-playing staff is pretty ridiculous. A really minor adjustment between the two groups would see players wages come down marginally while making huge increases to non-playing staff. | |
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